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Not read this whole thread, but I'd like to see a poll summing up how this forum feels about Kaka's departure.

Was he forced out by the powers that be, was he a lying judas who took the chance to escape Milan, or was it a business condition which suited him and the club?

I think it's pretty clear, all the players that have talked about it said that the club had to sell him for financial reasons.

Yep, the only one that has said it was Kaka's choise was Silvio, because he didn't want to lose any votes and it suites his image while tarnishing someone else's

This mean I'm not getting a poll

I may be wrong - but didn't Miz & Tennie say the opposite? [...forgive me if I am wrong]
I think a poll would have been a good idea - those who are usually afraid of critisim would also tend to vote because its somewhat confidential!

Well it's a fact that Kaka was sold for financial reasons, everyone from the club (apart from Silvio who has obvious reasons to lie about it) has admitted so... I'm not sure about Miz's view but Tennie also thinks he's a money whore... I can't see where that is based on but everyone's free to think the way he/she wants... I'll just mention that Tennie has admitted she never liked Kaka...

Gosh, dst, since you already know what I think about this, I guess I don't need to post an opinion myself.

(For the record, no, I never did like Kaka and still don't. Think there's a bit of money whore about him, yes, but ultimately I think the transfer to Real was one that suited everyone concerned.)

All I did was quote you.

I can't see why somebody would be afraid of criticism on a forum!

What league has greatly improved this year. I would honestly have to go Serie A because it is reshaping and i see us Going further in Euro competitions (uefa-CL and so on). One can also make an argument for the ELP, Bundesliga(not really though) and obviously la liga.

We may disagree on the captaincy issue, but we're dead on the nail here.



It did. What gets me about the whole thing is the fact he, like so many before him at Milan and other clubs, swore allegiance to us beyond words. He wanted to be the captain, an idol, and finish his career here.

The Man City bid comes in and we accept, and leave it up to Kaka, who rejects because he wants to stay with us.

Then Real Madrid come in, offer less, we still accept, and he goes. He leaves us with the nice quote that he only wished the deal had gone through sooner.

If Kaka had been self sacrificial he'd have left in January to give Milan the money. No, he wanted to leave for Madrid, and was waiting for them to offer.

In a way, Kaka cost us 50M through selfishness.

Take that as a no then!



I liked him up till about the start of last season. At one point he was my favourite player.
Now I dislike him as a liar and hope his Madrid career fails miserably.

For me, personally, his sale was a tragady. The details don't concern me - I know he was held in high regard at Milan so his sale would not have happened unless it was necessary.

He's the kind of player that simply cannot be replaced. I'd like to think that he was true to his word, and wanted to remain but left in order to help us balance the books.

So you're saying if Random FC from a 5x5 tournament in the North Pole had offered half a million euros he should have gone to them so that we get the biggest offer? This is ridiculous. Of course he did not want to go to City, why should he?

I believe he would have never left Milan if we did not want to sell him and you believe otherwise so there's no point going on with this as it will get us nowhere.

The way I see it, a guy that takes time to talk about his former club in his presentational speech is way too tied to it to have gone willingly.


No no I just found that funny, I was not laughing at you. I'll create the poll if you give me the choices you want me to add.

Indeed, it's probably not the best thing to continue this argument because it doesn't appear as if there's going to be agreement.

So....

Poll ideas for the coming season?

Or should we just let dst be creative?

Which league has most improved?

While Kaka' did want a good deal for the club, he didn't want to be forced somewhere that he didn't want to go. I believe had Chelsea came in for him, he would have gone. But where City will be in a few years is still up in the air, nobody knows how quickly they will succeed, why throw your career away for the good of a club? I also think more of the blame should go to the management, they were more than happy to seemingy force him out the club to make a quick few $$$.

Im with Mike. With the level of money we seem willing to invest, he is irreplacable. The few players in the World that are as good as him are simply not in our price range.

I already have

'Overall feelings on Kaka's departure'

1: Club (Berlu and Galliani) forced him out.
2: Lying Judas who never intended to stay
3: A good business deal for all concerned

Danke.

Not read the whole thread so apologies if I've missed folk saying these before...

Best 'lesser' league to scout for new talent:

1: France
2: Belgium
3: Brazil
4: Portugal
5: Netherlands
6: English Championship
7: Serie B

And:

What is your priority this coming season?

1: Scudetto title
2: CL/Europe title
3: Respectable displays in both to regain credibility.

Next poll should be Ambro vs Rino.

Seeing as its a very commonly discussed topic, mostly between me and kurt, but everyone has their oppinion on the subject it should be made into a poll so we can see where the board members stand on this

what'll be our worst defeat

We've waited long enough. Time to know the truth how many people on here want Silvio gone?

Just make a poll along these lines!

Should he go / stay? Would he invest in the team again? Does he care about the team still?

Time to see some statistics! Make a Poll.


I for one am now willing to see us part ways if Silvio doesn't shape up!

Enough is enough - He has been beating around the bush way too long! He is one of the world's richest & most powerful and yet still refuses to help where out where necessary!

We are fine as we are - Are you fcvking kidding me Silvio??!

He has been saying this for years now, but yet this team has lacked consistency and pride for years now.

Not to mention challenging for Serie A! - When last were we really able to do that?! But yet we are fine as we are?!

Fin for what?! - Mid Table, Early CL Eliminations (or no CL at all), Laughing stock of Europe & Italy?

He needs to shape up or ship out (sell) - Simple as that!

Like someone rightly said in another thread - He needs to realize that he is not the only milan fan just because he owns the club! The fans are the ones who bring in part of the revenue to the club and share the passion of the club!

Sure he is the president and has brought great success and joy to the club. But that was when his motives seemed to be different! Times have changed!

MAKE THE POLL - Lets see how many still have faith in him.

I don't know if this poll has been done but we should go:

Where will milan finish in the Table:

First
Second
Third
fourth
fifth
6th
Mid Table
Relegation

+1

"If storari maintains form and abbiati comes back from the injury list, would would you start?"

Which Country develops the best youth players?


Italy
England
Brazil
Argentina
Spain
France
Other

Catalonia.

Ivory Coast

I made a post in the Pato thread, wouldn't mind a poll about it:

For the sake of his career, if Milan don't improve soon, would you let Pato go?

Yes
No

Under the premise that Pato's career is struggling to bloom, and another club in a better state might be a superior environment for him.

hmm i think we are more biased towards milan then any of it's players, it's the reason we didn't lose that many posters to Real Madrid boards...

I would let him go. Pato has been here only 2 years, so its not that big of a loss. But I would like to keep him if we had the chance, but if he has to go then I would not go ape sh*t like when we lost Kaka.


I prefer a healthy milan to a healthy pato.

Funny, I wasn't that bothered when we lost Kaka because I'd already felt his best years were behind him, a belief being justified by his average start at the Bernabau.

I was, however, appalled at the notion of losing Pato.

Now, however, I'm less sure.

Bidum t'sh.

Put it this way though, imagine we get 50M for a 20 year old in January, and a new manager - I'd much rather use that money to rebuild the squad from the ground up than keeping him and not having any money for a new manager to use.

And let's face it, after he brought in Huntelaar, I don't exactly trust Leo with millions.

What does that mean? Bid him goodbye?


I don't think Leo is to be 'blamed' (too early to say) for KJH. In his defence similar to Carlo, he wanted something else and was forced to compromise for the sake of the budget.

He wanted Fabiano and the board got him KJH who was on a special 40% Milan only discount.

Pato or Leo?



Even if I buy this theory, it doesn't excuse the appalling nature of our current plight. Leo is a symptom of it, if not the cause.

No. Bidum t'sh! What does that mean?

leo publicly declared that huntelaar was a good striker but he wanted fabiano, it was the management's decision.
i'm not sure but its rumoured milan only paid 4m with 11m to come in installments

You misunderstood. I meant 'were you meaning Pato or Leo'.

And bidum t'sh is the sound a drummer makes after a gag.

As an aside, I have a belter of a poll suggestion:

Will you still support Milan as avidly if we get relegated to Serie B?

Yes.
No.

EDIT: Wrong thread.

Who, would you say, was MOTM against Real Madrid ? this should be good

Ambro.

/poll.

i thought it would be a good poll due to everyone seamed to have a different opinion, any game ambro doesn't get booked and touches the ball i believe he deserves a standing ovation, MOTM might be a bit much i'd hve to go seedorf, but i can make a case for any member of the back four (except maybe Gianluca for trampling over Benzema)

Why would they have a different opinion? I'm not saying I'm right.. but anyone that doesn't pick Ambro is wrong.

Between you and me, i think they would only do it to spite you who knows jack may pick dida just to flabbergast you

... Flamini

Almost everyone was fantastic in a way. Pirlo stunned Madrid players with his strike - if it hadn't been for him we probably would have lost. Seedorf and Ambro created well, Pato finished well. Nesta defended well - so did everyone in defense in fact. so... no MotM. we won as a team and that's how it should be most of the time (not always).

I want a name by the end of the day zeddie!

Man of the match for me was Zambrotta. The moment he fouled Benzema and no penalty was give, I knew the stars were shining on Milan that night. Since Zambrotta assured me of victory, I give him the prize.