Whether it was a loan or co-ownership, it wouldn't have made a difference, he'd have still scored 19 goals. The loaning club obviously has confidence in the player, otherwise, why loan him? What would be the point if you didn't think he was any good? It also means the loaning team doesn't waste any money.
I can't imagine Genoa have heaps of funds, so if they bought half of Boriello, and he was crap, they're stuck with half a rubbish player, and have wasted money on him. Whereas with a loan, they haven't wasted anything. On Milans side, if he performs well, we don't have to look silly buying half of the player back for £6m just months after selling that half for £1m.
I've looked over it for hours and hours on the internet.. and see no upside. Probably the reason it's not used universally, while loaning is.
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I'm with Kurt on this one. 
Co-ownership maybe works in some instances, but loaning out is the safest route for the club that has the signature of a particular player. Makes less fuss if things go good. Or bad.
Co-ownership maybe works in some instances, but loaning out is the safest route for the club that has the signature of a particular player. Makes less fuss if things go good. Or bad.
because kurt it puts pressure on the coach to use him when if he was loaned he could bench him as he pleases like with senderos right now and the fact that carlo can bench him and no one will say ****. With co ownership they club somewhat feels obligated to use the player and the player feels obligated to return the favor to the club for investing in him. Look at the players who are loaned compared to the players who are co owned and see who gets more playing time.
also about the prices. On average the highest valued player should be no higher than 50 million pounds. Anything higher is just stupid and should not exist.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 26 2008, 12:09 AM) 
because kurt it puts pressure on the coach to use him when if he was loaned he could bench him as he pleases like with senderos right now and the fact that carlo can bench him and no one will say ****. With co ownership they club somewhat feels obligated to use the player and the player feels obligated to return the favor to the club for investing in him. Look at the players who are loaned compared to the players who are co owned and see who gets more playing time.
I wouldn't know who gets more playing time since Serie A clubs hardly ever loan to each other. But Hernan Crespo was hardly a backup player at either Milan clubs, he featured heavily for both on loan.
It puts pressure on coaches to use them? That's exactly why co-ownership is bad, it's basically big clubs bullying little clubs and saying "You've had to pay money to have one of our players, you better play him so we can see if he's any good so we can just take him back off you - but if he's rubbish, it doesn't matter, you're the one who's wasted money on him, not us".
With loans, no team loses out. If a loaned player is bad? The loaner club will find it more difficult to sell the player, but the loaning club will have had a player who's not been much use to them - neither clubs wastes money. If the loaned player is good? The loaner clubs will have more chance of selling him, or they may decide he's useful enough to keep, but the loaning club has had a good player for a season who's going to have helped them and to make things even better - he was free of charge for the season - both teams benefit, neither team loses money.
I'm sure there's a reason every World in the league uses loaning, and not co-ownerships.
Actually...you've got it backwards. It's not the big clubs who insist on the co-ownership, it's the small ones.
See Borriello we gave him up for maybe 1 million(Total player worth= 2 mill). Suppose, he had been average. As in good for Genoa but not good enough for Milan, and we feel that's the best he can be. We can tell Genoa to buy him out, and Genoa will probably calculate that ok, his price on his performance would be now about 6 mill flat. But I already own half of him so to purchase his other half, I just need to pay 3 mill more.
Therefore Genoa end up paying a total of 3+1, i.e. 4 million for Borriello in total. While if he had been loaned with a purchase option, they would have had to pay whatever Milan wanted. So the big club is not bullying here. It's more power to the small guy.
Conversely, if he turned out good enough for Milan, we can get a player back. Someone who we thought wouldn't be too good, but turned out to be a surprise. Like Borriello! It's very rare to see, players who have been co-owned be brought back, unless they were really special. Because a co-ownership deal, unlike a loaning thing, can go on forever, till the player reaches his prime, and a decision is made once and for all.
And going from my earlier point of how it works out to be beneficial to the smaller club, this is exactly why clubs refuse to take great prospects from large clubs in Italy on loan. Loanees are almost always 2nd string players, who are meant to add depth. So a 4th choice player for Juve, might be loaned so he becomes 2nd choice at say Siena.
When both clubs realise they are talking a good prospect, the smaller club (fairly) plays hard ball.
'You're sending him here, to get him trained, to give him first team experience playing in the top level, and we have to pay his wages as well? What's in it for us?'
So if they buy half his contract, then that's it...they now have a vested interest, in developing him, coz now they know they can get him for cheap.
On the other hand, the EPL only has a loan with purchase option, which puts pressure. At the end of the year you have to say a yes or no as regards a purchase, when you want more time to check him out.
Yes, it works differently in EPL, when a player performing well in one season ,gives you enough cash due to a difference in table positions, but in Italy with TV revenues etc.. so low, for a smaller team, finish 9th or 13th doesn't make a huge difference in cash rewards. They need to gain something else.
See Borriello we gave him up for maybe 1 million(Total player worth= 2 mill). Suppose, he had been average. As in good for Genoa but not good enough for Milan, and we feel that's the best he can be. We can tell Genoa to buy him out, and Genoa will probably calculate that ok, his price on his performance would be now about 6 mill flat. But I already own half of him so to purchase his other half, I just need to pay 3 mill more.
Therefore Genoa end up paying a total of 3+1, i.e. 4 million for Borriello in total. While if he had been loaned with a purchase option, they would have had to pay whatever Milan wanted. So the big club is not bullying here. It's more power to the small guy.
Conversely, if he turned out good enough for Milan, we can get a player back. Someone who we thought wouldn't be too good, but turned out to be a surprise. Like Borriello! It's very rare to see, players who have been co-owned be brought back, unless they were really special. Because a co-ownership deal, unlike a loaning thing, can go on forever, till the player reaches his prime, and a decision is made once and for all.
And going from my earlier point of how it works out to be beneficial to the smaller club, this is exactly why clubs refuse to take great prospects from large clubs in Italy on loan. Loanees are almost always 2nd string players, who are meant to add depth. So a 4th choice player for Juve, might be loaned so he becomes 2nd choice at say Siena.
When both clubs realise they are talking a good prospect, the smaller club (fairly) plays hard ball.
'You're sending him here, to get him trained, to give him first team experience playing in the top level, and we have to pay his wages as well? What's in it for us?'
So if they buy half his contract, then that's it...they now have a vested interest, in developing him, coz now they know they can get him for cheap.
On the other hand, the EPL only has a loan with purchase option, which puts pressure. At the end of the year you have to say a yes or no as regards a purchase, when you want more time to check him out.
Yes, it works differently in EPL, when a player performing well in one season ,gives you enough cash due to a difference in table positions, but in Italy with TV revenues etc.. so low, for a smaller team, finish 9th or 13th doesn't make a huge difference in cash rewards. They need to gain something else.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2008, 10:32 PM)
Actually...you've got it backwards. It's not the big clubs who insist on the co-ownership, it's the small ones.
See Borriello we gave him up for maybe 1 million(Total player worth= 2 mill). Suppose, he had been average. As in good for Genoa but not good enough for Milan, and we feel that's the best he can be. We can tell Genoa to buy him out, and Genoa will probably calculate that ok, his price on his performance would be now about 6 mill flat. But I already own half of him so to purchase his other half, I just need to pay 3 mill more.
Therefore Genoa end up paying a total of 3+1, i.e. 4 million for Borriello in total. While if he had been loaned with a purchase option, they would have had to pay whatever Milan wanted. So the big club is not bullying here. It's more power to the small guy.
Conversely, if he turned out good enough for Milan, we can get a player back. Someone who we thought wouldn't be too good, but turned out to be a surprise. Like Borriello! It's very rare to see, players who have been co-owned be brought back, unless they were really special. Because a co-ownership deal, unlike a loaning thing, can go on forever, till the player reaches his prime, and a decision is made once and for all.
And going from my earlier point of how it works out to be beneficial to the smaller club, this is exactly why clubs refuse to take great prospects from large clubs in Italy on loan. Loanees are almost always 2nd string players, who are meant to add depth. So a 4th choice player for Juve, might be loaned so he becomes 2nd choice at say Siena.
When both clubs realise they are talking a good prospect, the smaller club (fairly) plays hard ball.
'You're sending him here, to get him trained, to give him first team experience playing in the top level, and we have to pay his wages as well? What's in it for us?'
So if they buy half his contract, then that's it...they now have a vested interest, in developing him, coz now they know they can get him for cheap.
On the other hand, the EPL only has a loan with purchase option, which puts pressure. At the end of the year you have to say a yes or no as regards a purchase, when you want more time to check him out.
Yes, it works differently in EPL, when a player performing well in one season ,gives you enough cash due to a difference in table positions, but in Italy with TV revenues etc.. so low, for a smaller team, finish 9th or 13th doesn't make a huge difference in cash rewards. They need to gain something else.
See Borriello we gave him up for maybe 1 million(Total player worth= 2 mill). Suppose, he had been average. As in good for Genoa but not good enough for Milan, and we feel that's the best he can be. We can tell Genoa to buy him out, and Genoa will probably calculate that ok, his price on his performance would be now about 6 mill flat. But I already own half of him so to purchase his other half, I just need to pay 3 mill more.
Therefore Genoa end up paying a total of 3+1, i.e. 4 million for Borriello in total. While if he had been loaned with a purchase option, they would have had to pay whatever Milan wanted. So the big club is not bullying here. It's more power to the small guy.
Conversely, if he turned out good enough for Milan, we can get a player back. Someone who we thought wouldn't be too good, but turned out to be a surprise. Like Borriello! It's very rare to see, players who have been co-owned be brought back, unless they were really special. Because a co-ownership deal, unlike a loaning thing, can go on forever, till the player reaches his prime, and a decision is made once and for all.
And going from my earlier point of how it works out to be beneficial to the smaller club, this is exactly why clubs refuse to take great prospects from large clubs in Italy on loan. Loanees are almost always 2nd string players, who are meant to add depth. So a 4th choice player for Juve, might be loaned so he becomes 2nd choice at say Siena.
When both clubs realise they are talking a good prospect, the smaller club (fairly) plays hard ball.
'You're sending him here, to get him trained, to give him first team experience playing in the top level, and we have to pay his wages as well? What's in it for us?'
So if they buy half his contract, then that's it...they now have a vested interest, in developing him, coz now they know they can get him for cheap.
On the other hand, the EPL only has a loan with purchase option, which puts pressure. At the end of the year you have to say a yes or no as regards a purchase, when you want more time to check him out.
Yes, it works differently in EPL, when a player performing well in one season ,gives you enough cash due to a difference in table positions, but in Italy with TV revenues etc.. so low, for a smaller team, finish 9th or 13th doesn't make a huge difference in cash rewards. They need to gain something else.
exactly thank you i hate it when i can't clarfiy things.
Do you want me to be your assistant coach?? Or maybe translator? Starting off as translator, worked for Jose... 
Jack. You missed out the most important one. Which suggests the power is still with the big clubs, if he turns out good enough for neither? Well the smaller club has already wasted money on buying half of the player, and they know the bigger club isn't going to want him back so they're almost forced to buy the rest of somebody they don't even want.
On the Boriello case: We sold half of him for £1m, we didn't know how good he's turn out and we may not have been expecting anything from him. If he has a bad season, like I said above, Genoa are almpost forced to waste money of the remaining half of Boriello. If he plays well like he did, they've got 0% chance of keeping him because there's no way they can compete with Milan for the rights.
In a loan deal, before loaning him out alot of teams have an option to be for £Xm, so obviously Boriello's value may have been fairly low, since we wouldn't know how he'd turn out. In a normal loan deal, we get our player first team experience and Gena get a guy who's scored 19 goals. With the view to a purchase option, this gives Genoa much more power than the big club. He's purchase option would have been very low, much less than £6m since he's never proved anything in this league, he then goes and has a great season and his worth doubles. But the agreement is that Genoa are to pay even less, and the bigger club can do nothing about it. Which is superb, more power to the smaller team, exactly what this game needs. With loans, the small team never loses and that is the most important thing. With co-ownerships, they basically waste money if he doesn't turn out too well.
I jut still don't see the benefit really.
On the Boriello case: We sold half of him for £1m, we didn't know how good he's turn out and we may not have been expecting anything from him. If he has a bad season, like I said above, Genoa are almpost forced to waste money of the remaining half of Boriello. If he plays well like he did, they've got 0% chance of keeping him because there's no way they can compete with Milan for the rights.
In a loan deal, before loaning him out alot of teams have an option to be for £Xm, so obviously Boriello's value may have been fairly low, since we wouldn't know how he'd turn out. In a normal loan deal, we get our player first team experience and Gena get a guy who's scored 19 goals. With the view to a purchase option, this gives Genoa much more power than the big club. He's purchase option would have been very low, much less than £6m since he's never proved anything in this league, he then goes and has a great season and his worth doubles. But the agreement is that Genoa are to pay even less, and the bigger club can do nothing about it. Which is superb, more power to the smaller team, exactly what this game needs. With loans, the small team never loses and that is the most important thing. With co-ownerships, they basically waste money if he doesn't turn out too well.
I jut still don't see the benefit really.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2008, 04:43 PM)
Jack. You missed out the most important one. Which suggests the power is still with the big clubs, if he turns out good enough for neither? Well the smaller club has already wasted money on buying half of the player, and they know the bigger club isn't going to want him back so they're almost forced to buy the rest of somebody they don't even want.
On the Boriello case: We sold half of him for £1m, we didn't know how good he's turn out and we may not have been expecting anything from him. If he has a bad season, like I said above, Genoa are almpost forced to waste money of the remaining half of Boriello. If he plays well like he did, they've got 0% chance of keeping him because there's no way they can compete with Milan for the rights.
In a loan deal, before loaning him out alot of teams have an option to be for £Xm, so obviously Boriello's value may have been fairly low, since we wouldn't know how he'd turn out. In a normal loan deal, we get our player first team experience and Gena get a guy who's scored 19 goals. With the view to a purchase option, this gives Genoa much more power than the big club. He's purchase option would have been very low, much less than £6m since he's never proved anything in this league, he then goes and has a great season and his worth doubles. But the agreement is that Genoa are to pay even less, and the bigger club can do nothing about it. Which is superb, more power to the smaller team, exactly what this game needs. With loans, the small team never loses and that is the most important thing. With co-ownerships, they basically waste money if he doesn't turn out too well.
I jut still don't see the benefit really.
On the Boriello case: We sold half of him for £1m, we didn't know how good he's turn out and we may not have been expecting anything from him. If he has a bad season, like I said above, Genoa are almpost forced to waste money of the remaining half of Boriello. If he plays well like he did, they've got 0% chance of keeping him because there's no way they can compete with Milan for the rights.
In a loan deal, before loaning him out alot of teams have an option to be for £Xm, so obviously Boriello's value may have been fairly low, since we wouldn't know how he'd turn out. In a normal loan deal, we get our player first team experience and Gena get a guy who's scored 19 goals. With the view to a purchase option, this gives Genoa much more power than the big club. He's purchase option would have been very low, much less than £6m since he's never proved anything in this league, he then goes and has a great season and his worth doubles. But the agreement is that Genoa are to pay even less, and the bigger club can do nothing about it. Which is superb, more power to the smaller team, exactly what this game needs. With loans, the small team never loses and that is the most important thing. With co-ownerships, they basically waste money if he doesn't turn out too well.
I jut still don't see the benefit really.
If he had a bad season, nothing changes. Milan see nothing in him to buy out Genoa's half, and vice versa.Either the arrangement continues (as in Pozzi's case) or if Genoa think, this guy is totally cr@p, they can actually cut losses and sell their half to someone else. The same way shares are traded.
Loan to purchase option, means nothing if the player was a flop. Genoa gained nothing...but lost a year's wages being paid to him. On the other hand, if it was a co-ownership, they could sell their half of the contract, maybe to an even smaller team, and thus recuperate at least the wages they 'wasted'.
Similarly if he turns out to be a massive hit, the co-ownership might actually mean, they can sell their part of the deal for a much higher price (than setting the price beforehand), and use the money to buy someone else. Perhaps someone who plays for lesser wages.
I guess, it's because I've grown used to co-ownerships in Serie A. Loaning is often almost used only to add depth. Very rarely are players loaned into first team.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 26 2008, 11:58 AM)
Loan to purchase option, means nothing if the player was a flop. Genoa gained nothing...but lost a year's wages being paid to him. On the other hand, if it was a co-ownership, they could sell their half of the contract, maybe to an even smaller team, and thus recuperate at least the wages they 'wasted'.
Villa had a loan to purchase option on Scott Carson last year, and apparently we didn't pay any of his wages, Liverpool did.
And also, I don't think it's as easy as saying "If he's bad, they can cut their losses and sell their half", who exactly is going to buy?
Anyways. I think this is going to be another me/dst/nationality thing, so we should really stop.
Fishdoll 
Abate!
He looks like one of the kids who could really add to the squad.
Forza Ignazio!
Abate!He looks like one of the kids who could really add to the squad.
Forza Ignazio!
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 17 2009, 10:45 PM)
Fishdoll Abate!
He looks like one of the kids who could really add to the squad.
Forza Ignazio!
Abate!He looks like one of the kids who could really add to the squad.
Forza Ignazio!
I sense that fishdoll is walking into fanboy territory when it comes to Abate...
Fishdoll is, though he was hovering on fanboy territory for some time.
I didn't see the game. Was he really that good? Where did he play today?
RM
same here, i really like what i've seen from abate, in fact have had a good feeling about him since he's been with the azzurrini. imo he'll never be a world class player but he can def be a milan starting 11 for years to come.
If he learns to be patient and to not rush into challenges he will become a great RB. Hopefully Zambro can teach him a thing or two.
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 18 2009, 02:43 AM)
If he learns to be patient and to not rush into challenges he will become a great RB. Hopefully Zambro can teach him a thing or two.
he can play cm in our system too it seems. Its very free flow.
So I just looked through the postmatch comments on acmilan.com. Rino and Leonardo both went out of their way to compliment Abate, and Abate was one of the 3 players interviewed. Looks like it's not just Fishdoll who likes him.
i loved all the mid-fielders that game. Rino, Flamini and abate
Nice interview with Abate today on acmilan.com (translation by Fishdoll) link
Ignazio, it's 2 days to the derby. How's the preparation going?
'Tension's growing but I'm calm because we're training well and that's the most important thing. The coahc is preparing for the game with Inter very well. It was important to recupreate all the elements because with the squad complete I believe we can play our game.'
You're in your first year with Milan's first team. What's the effect of training with great champions?
'From champions like Seedorf, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Flamini and the others I can only learn, but I'm also convinced of the fact that I have to do my best to make it hard for the coach day by day (fishdoll note: the implication in Italian is that he's trying to make it hard for Leonardo to pick the regular starters above him).'
What sort of Inter do you expect after their home draw against Bari?
'I think it'll be the same Inter: a squad that's very physically strong with great quality going forward. They're very cynical because players like Milito and Eto'o have impressive goalscoring averages, but we also have our cards to play and I think we'll play a good game.'
Do you think Pato can cause problems for the opposition's defense?
'The coach is trying different solutions. Alexandre is a very important player for us, but at the same time there are also other great champions especially in the offensive positions like Huntelaar and Inzaghi who could be decisive. We have different solutions to play and we'll try to do it in the best manner.'
Ignazio, it's 2 days to the derby. How's the preparation going?
'Tension's growing but I'm calm because we're training well and that's the most important thing. The coahc is preparing for the game with Inter very well. It was important to recupreate all the elements because with the squad complete I believe we can play our game.'
You're in your first year with Milan's first team. What's the effect of training with great champions?
'From champions like Seedorf, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Flamini and the others I can only learn, but I'm also convinced of the fact that I have to do my best to make it hard for the coach day by day (fishdoll note: the implication in Italian is that he's trying to make it hard for Leonardo to pick the regular starters above him).'
What sort of Inter do you expect after their home draw against Bari?
'I think it'll be the same Inter: a squad that's very physically strong with great quality going forward. They're very cynical because players like Milito and Eto'o have impressive goalscoring averages, but we also have our cards to play and I think we'll play a good game.'
Do you think Pato can cause problems for the opposition's defense?
'The coach is trying different solutions. Alexandre is a very important player for us, but at the same time there are also other great champions especially in the offensive positions like Huntelaar and Inzaghi who could be decisive. We have different solutions to play and we'll try to do it in the best manner.'
Fishdoll's hero.
So fishdoll likes Milan players too? 
What I like most about Abate is his confidence.
What I like most about Abate is his confidence.
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 20 2009, 12:39 PM)
So fishdoll likes Milan players too?
What I like most about Abate is his confidence.
What I like most about Abate is his confidence.
Yeah he is very confident. What I liked about him is his drive and never give up attitude. He truly shows that wearing the jersey is no joke.
It's clear that playing for Milan really means something to him -- he's been on loan to several clubs and now that he's back, he's REALLY determined. I'm perhaps not at Fishdoll's fanboy level but I really do like the kid and was very happy to see him play well today.
He has the attitude that this squad need. He knows the value of what it means to play for Milan. Therefore, when he's on the pitch he never stops running. I agree with you tennie, I think the movement around to different clubs around Italy has really done him good.
He is our best Fb right now and hes not even a Fb
He is our best Fb right now and hes not even a Fb
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AC Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani: Ignazio Abate Is The New Cafu
AC Milan have found the 'new Marcos Cafu' in Ignazio Abate, according to vice-president Adriano Galliani.
Abate was one of the protagonists during the 1-0 win over Bologna, and Galliani feels he can emulate the two-time Brazilian World Cup winner.
"Ignazio will be the new Cafu," the chief is quoted as saying on Tuttomercatoweb.com.
Galliani's comments have led to speculation which suggests the winger will be used in a right-back position with Gianluca Zambrotta moving over to the left.
Voices also claim the Rossoneri's plans for a right-sided, defensive minded player have been shelved given Abate's explosion. Although the player's natural position is more advanced, he could adapt to play deeper in defence.
AC Milan have found the 'new Marcos Cafu' in Ignazio Abate, according to vice-president Adriano Galliani.
Abate was one of the protagonists during the 1-0 win over Bologna, and Galliani feels he can emulate the two-time Brazilian World Cup winner.
"Ignazio will be the new Cafu," the chief is quoted as saying on Tuttomercatoweb.com.
Galliani's comments have led to speculation which suggests the winger will be used in a right-back position with Gianluca Zambrotta moving over to the left.
Voices also claim the Rossoneri's plans for a right-sided, defensive minded player have been shelved given Abate's explosion. Although the player's natural position is more advanced, he could adapt to play deeper in defence.
Why do you open your big mouth...
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 21 2009, 12:05 PM)
Why do you open your big mouth...
LOL!!!! it was a matter of time before galliani over-glamorized a decent performance by calling someone a great champion, but here i thought he would tut seedorf's performance
Abate and one other are the only bright spots this season so far. Abate's winning me over - looks determined, can defend as well as go forward, and has the right attributes to be an excellent RB. A much better bet than Zambrotta.
If there is anything to take away from this piss-poor team, it is Abate
It's the return of Nesta for me.
QUOTE (Maestro10 @ Oct 5 2009, 02:03 PM)
If there is anything to take away from this piss-poor team, it is Abate
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2009, 02:17 PM)
It's the return of Nesta for me.
Both are acceptable positives in this time of negativity!
Early team awards go to Abate-Nesta-Silva (before he got hurt)-Storari
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2009, 07:17 PM)
It's the return of Nesta for me.
If only he was accompanied by his form of old too though
Looks at about 50% of what he was.
Maybe...but it's still holding up our defence.
Maybe my memory's fuzzy or Fishdoll slipped something naughty into my coffee but I think this year's Nesta is certainly equivalent to the 2007 Nesta, and probably better. Is the the Lazio Nesta? Nah. THat one is gone.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2009, 01:01 PM)
Maybe my memory's fuzzy or Fishdoll slipped something naughty into my coffee but I think this year's Nesta is certainly equivalent to the 2007 Nesta, and probably better. Is the the Lazio Nesta? Nah. THat one is gone.
Nesta must have been amazing for Lazio is you think his performances are no where near the Nesta of Old
Nesta was on another planet when he played for Lazio, ayup.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2009, 05:34 PM)
Nesta was on another planet when he played for Lazio, ayup.
He was still as good in his first years with us before the injuries started. 02/03, 03/04, 04/05 seasons he was still from another planet. Him and Maldini in the middle was just magic
I think his best years were with us, not with Lazio. He had to run a lot more back then due to Lazio's leaky midfield and he was, unavoidably, making more mistakes. He was more agile though.
(from the ticker on acmilan.com's english page)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY IGNAZIO ABATE
11/12/2009
MILANELLO - Ignazio Abate, important element of the Rossoneri's squad, was born on November 12, 1986. Today the Milan wing-back celebrates his 23rd birthday. Best wishes!
11/12/2009
MILANELLO - Ignazio Abate, important element of the Rossoneri's squad, was born on November 12, 1986. Today the Milan wing-back celebrates his 23rd birthday. Best wishes!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Happy 23rd Birthday, Ignazio 
Awww. an interview on his birthday.
(from acmilan.com. their translation)
(from acmilan.com. their translation)
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RECHARGE OF ENERGY
11/12/2009 4:41:00 PM
On the day of his 23rd birthday, Ignazio Abate talked about his happiness at wearing the Rossoneri shirt and the usefulness of the break to recharge the batteries and reprise the league in the best possible way.
MILANELLO - Here are the declarations made today at Milanello by Ignazio Abate, exclusively to Milan Channel's microphones:
Ignazio, first of all happy 23rd birthday.
"Thank you! It seems yesterday that I started playing at Napoli, but time passes for me as well, however I am still young! In these years I had my experiences travelling around Italy, I'm happy about everything I've done because many of them helped me improve and mature. The most important thing, now, is to have returned here at Milanello and to wear this shirt, finally."
There's been a lot of talk of rejuvenation at Milan.
"There's a lot of talk about buying new players. I don't want this team to be underestimated, it's an important group with important values. We are showing it and we hope to continue on this road."
With Ronaldinho you have a great relationship.
"He really is a very nice lad, he has a good heart, and he's very sociable, we talk a lot. He's doing well and we hope he continues like this and continues improving because he's one of those players who, if he's doing well, is able to win games on his own."
Did you need this league break?
"Yes, I needed it because playing for four weeks every Sunday and Wednesday isn't easy. We needed to recover energies and working physically is good for us. Now we are recharging our batteries and we hope to have more good weeks like the past ones. When the league resumes we have an important block of games, we'll have to continue trying to reduce the distance from the top teams and as for the league we can still do it. The journey is long, you need consistency and we have to lose as few points as possible."
11/12/2009 4:41:00 PM
On the day of his 23rd birthday, Ignazio Abate talked about his happiness at wearing the Rossoneri shirt and the usefulness of the break to recharge the batteries and reprise the league in the best possible way.
MILANELLO - Here are the declarations made today at Milanello by Ignazio Abate, exclusively to Milan Channel's microphones:
Ignazio, first of all happy 23rd birthday.
"Thank you! It seems yesterday that I started playing at Napoli, but time passes for me as well, however I am still young! In these years I had my experiences travelling around Italy, I'm happy about everything I've done because many of them helped me improve and mature. The most important thing, now, is to have returned here at Milanello and to wear this shirt, finally."
There's been a lot of talk of rejuvenation at Milan.
"There's a lot of talk about buying new players. I don't want this team to be underestimated, it's an important group with important values. We are showing it and we hope to continue on this road."
With Ronaldinho you have a great relationship.
"He really is a very nice lad, he has a good heart, and he's very sociable, we talk a lot. He's doing well and we hope he continues like this and continues improving because he's one of those players who, if he's doing well, is able to win games on his own."
Did you need this league break?
"Yes, I needed it because playing for four weeks every Sunday and Wednesday isn't easy. We needed to recover energies and working physically is good for us. Now we are recharging our batteries and we hope to have more good weeks like the past ones. When the league resumes we have an important block of games, we'll have to continue trying to reduce the distance from the top teams and as for the league we can still do it. The journey is long, you need consistency and we have to lose as few points as possible."
happy birthday! He will become a milan legend, i can feel it
(from acmilan.com)
Contract renewed through 2014.
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A.C. MILAN COMUNICATO UFFICIALE
11/02/2010
L'A.C. Milan comunica che i calciatori Ignazio Abate e Luca Antonini hanno prolungato i rispettivi contratti con la Società fino al 30 Giugno 2014.
11/02/2010
L'A.C. Milan comunica che i calciatori Ignazio Abate e Luca Antonini hanno prolungato i rispettivi contratti con la Società fino al 30 Giugno 2014.
Contract renewed through 2014.
Any way we can dig out their new salaries? Or do we need to wait for FM '11?
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 11 2010, 04:41 PM)
Any way we can dig out their new salaries? Or do we need to wait for FM '11?
FM has a LOT to answer for...
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 11 2010, 10:41 AM)
Any way we can dig out their new salaries? Or do we need to wait for FM '11?
Well My guess is that they were bumped up to the average salary of milan which is probably around 45K.
Abate was making 20 and Antonini was making 25 before.
Got sources for those figures, Blue? Just curious as the figures for Antonini I remember seeing last year on tuttomercatoweb (when he asked for and didn't get a raise) were about half that. The figures discussed then were tha the was in the 500k/year range. No clue on Abate's wages.
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