Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 12:53 AM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Feb 11 2010, 05:50 PM)

Got sources for those figures, Blue? Just curious as the figures for Antonini I remember seeing last year on tuttomercatoweb (when he asked for and didn't get a raise) were about half that. The figures discussed then were tha the was in the 500k/year range. No clue on Abate's wages.
no i dont, i can look for it. I remember seeing them before somewhere though. Antonini's previous wage was around 700k or something like that I recall. He's probably getting 1.2 or 1.5 now. With this extention i'm also guessing that we have found our two full backs for next season

So gattuso has dropped from 4m-> 2.5 with his extention.
These two boys have gotten an increase.
Pato has gotten an increase.
Ronaldinho is next i'm guessing. He'll probably drop from 6.5 to 5m.
Galliani is doing a pretty good job so far, I'm quite happy we aren't play players like barca does. Messi 12m, Ibra 11m, Henry 8m, Xavi 8m, Iniesta 8m, Puyol 8m. Just ridiculous!!!
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 01:03 AM

Now this isn't perfectly accurate but its pretty close. Pato is not making 1m anymore. Abate and antonini are making more now. Antonini was higher than abate from other sources i've seen in the past. Storari makes 1m now.
Ronaldinho makes 6.5 not 7.5.
Hunt makes 4m.
Oddo makes 4m.
Gattuso now makes 2.5 with his extention.
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Note: These may be close but not all figures are 100% accurate.
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Mourinho - Inter €11m (second highest paid coach on earth)
Prandelli - Fiorentina €1.8m
Ranieri - Roma €1.6
Leonardo - Milan €1.2m
Ferrara - Juventus €1.2m
Gasperini - Genoa €1.2m
Donadoni - Napoli €1.2m
Del Neri - Sampdoria €0.9m
Guidolin - Parma €0.9m
Zenga - Palermo €0.85m
Giampaolo - Siena €0.8m
Ballardini - Lazio €0.75m
Allegri - Cagliari €0.65m
Marino - Udinese €0.6m
Papadopulo - Bologna €0.6m
Ventura - Bari €0.45m
Di Carlo - Chievo €0.45
Gregucci - Atalanta €0.3m
Atzori - Catania €0.15m
Ruotolo - Livorno €0.1m
source: all pictures, words are from gazetta dello sport!!
Fishdoll
Feb 12 2010, 01:11 AM
Thanks for tracking that down, Blue!
servbot
Feb 12 2010, 02:41 AM
11 million .... euros...for a manager? And he's second?
who's first? I don't think there's a manager salary anywhere near that in NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL! Maybe 6 or 7m in USD.
Patinho
Feb 12 2010, 03:49 AM
Good stuff man. How much does pato make now because your right its not 1m
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 03:54 AM
QUOTE (servbot @ Feb 11 2010, 07:41 PM)

11 million .... euros...for a manager? And he's second?
who's first? I don't think there's a manager salary anywhere near that in NBA, NFL, MLB or NHL! Maybe 6 or 7m in USD.
The first is Luiz felipe scolari, who works in a club in uzbekistan. He earns 16m a season.
Fishdoll
Feb 12 2010, 04:36 AM
I think the Gazzetta lists are from the start of the season. Pato's had his salary bumped up since then.
MizNelson
Feb 12 2010, 05:01 AM
It'd be nice if Dinho played like he was worth 6.5m (!) from day one.
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 07:32 AM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Feb 11 2010, 10:01 PM)

It'd be nice if Dinho played like he was worth 6.5m (!) from day one.
yeah i agree. He's supposidly getting a pay cut though. He'll only be making 5m a season if he extends his contract. Now if we can get Pirlo a pay cut, we'll be doing extremely well.
Jack Sparrow
Feb 12 2010, 07:35 AM
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 07:36 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 12 2010, 12:35 AM)

You dont' like pirlo getting a pay cut?
Jack Sparrow
Feb 12 2010, 07:45 AM
No I'm thrilled about it. Why in the world should arguably the best deep lying playmaker in the world play for the same amount as his counterparts in Alonso and Xavi.
In fact let's cut it down even further from that twerp Michael Carrick. If Carrick is worth 4 million a season, Pirlo should be given only 3.

*mumble* *mumble*
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 07:47 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 12 2010, 12:45 AM)

No I'm thrilled about it. Why in the world should arguably the best deep lying playmaker in the world play for the same amount as his counterparts in Alonso and Xavi.
In fact let's cut it down even further from that twerp Michael Carrick. If Carrick is worth 4 million a season, Pirlo should be given only 3.
*mumble* *mumble*
No silvio remember. Do you want any new transfers?
Jack Sparrow
Feb 12 2010, 07:52 AM
Let's sell him outright..instead of selling him short.
I'd understand if he were a 33+ year old being kept on for sentimentality and coz he can occasionally pull magic out of his hat where others can't (like Zee/Becks/Pippo) and then we offer a new contract for him to end out his career while earning less. But that's not the case.
He's been one of our best players in that dominant run of ours..and he was good in the past couple of games as well. He's also been one of the most overplayed.
Bluesummers
Feb 12 2010, 07:55 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 12 2010, 12:52 AM)

Let's sell him outright..instead of selling him short.
I'd understand if he were a 33+ year old being kept on for sentimentality and coz he can occasionally pull magic out of his hat where others can't (like Zee/Becks/Pippo) and then we offer a new contract for him to end out his career while earning less. But that's not the case.
He's been one of our best players in that dominant run of ours..and he was good in the past couple of games as well. He's also been one of the most overplayed.
I'm not saying sell him. I'm saying shorten our wage bill. Dinho should be next too, he doesn't deserve over 4m imo. The only player who deserves to be earning 5m is Nesta.
dst
Feb 12 2010, 04:03 PM
QUOTE (servbot @ Feb 12 2010, 03:41 AM)

11 million .... euros...for a manager? And he's second?


We're talking about the most over-hyped person in the world. Imagine double the hype surrounding all the block-buster movies ever made multiplied by the number of times he's praised himself in public (over 1,000) and you have the picture.
He is good though.
Fishdoll
Jul 30 2010, 11:28 PM
Photo of Ignazio in this month's GQ Italia:
clicky
Dracoris
Jul 30 2010, 11:40 PM
how masculine
Jack Sparrow
Jul 31 2010, 05:39 AM
He's got a bottle of milk next to him and a come hither look. Weird!
Jack Sparrow
Jan 25 2011, 09:31 AM
An excellent post from another forum which copies a comment from goal.com
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A comment I found on the Goal Forums about Abate. It's pretty insightful and definitely worth a read.
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By dostoevsky:
Our fullback situation has often been highlighted in discussions concerning Europe as Milan's major weakness, combined with the average age of our midfield, so I think it's appropriate to discuss Abate's progress now, especially given that we are in the middle of the January transfer window and people's minds are ticking over searching for the perfect addition to our squad, when we search for new defenders should a serious alternative to our right back slot also be considered?
Firstly, in order to be considered a first class right back Abate must address the issue of Gattuso dependency. Ringhio, our faithful warrior, has to play two positions in effect during some matches, which whilst strengthening our team through his incredible work rate and ensuring through example that defence is the job of the team not the back four must remind us that Abate must mature and prepare for a time when he may have a less savage midfield ahead of him.
Gattuso's cover extends beyond the positional responsibilities of a player such as Perotta when Riise is bombing up the flank for Roma, or even the way a defensive midfielder such as Palombo or Zanetti will drift across to his full back because of the incredible success that Gattuso has in successfully halting a push up the flank when compared to the number of challenges made.
Gattuso will take every opportunity to himself challenge any player trying to take on Abate, also making a two on one in Milan's favour to allow either Gattuso or Abate to cover in case over commitment is made and to act as a sweeper when the battle for possession usually ends in the ball being knocked clear but not out of danger, whilst also preventing the backline from losing their shape - the latter a signficant point in considering Antonini's position, where many of his poorer matches occur when Seedorf or Prince are occupying the left midfield slot, providing less support positionally and in themselves recovering balls.
Such activity from Gattuso is not tactically uncommon, however the distinguishment I wish to make, and you may disagree with me on this, is that the effectiveness of the cover provided masks Abate's true success during each game, that what is being masked is insecurity from Abate in situations when pressure from the opposition has neither been prolonged nor involves great numbers, and that whilst Abate is a superior defender to Antonini, the difference has been exacerbated by the support offered to each fullback. If Antonini were protected by Gattuso and Abate by Seedorf - or Prince, though I do not wish to unnecessarily criticise Prince as he has been shifted around our midfield constantly and is still learning and growing; his tendency to disappear in a match as well as his understanding of position and movement will increase as he returns and plays more (this sentence is waaay too long) - then our fullbacks would appear far more equal. Abate is still undoubtedly the stronger fullback and has performed a fine job of putting in consistent performances, covering for his team mates in defence and making a minimal number of mistakes across the entire season thus far. However Abate must learn how to hold a flank without help if necessary, especially for when we may need to sacrifice Gattuso for another forward in order to chase a game, which leads me to my next point.
Abate is a fullback well equipped to deal with pace and strength, however it is against players who rely on close control, deception and changes in acceleration to bypass opponents that Abate still struggles, as he is too easily turned and blind sighted, something that will ultimately only be identified as a major flaw against excellent opposition. However this has been highlighted not as a glaring flaw but as an area that needs to be addressed in training in order for Abate to progress another level. Cassano and Robinho, our two most skillful dribblers who like to turn in from the left, must be used to twist and turn Abate, under the watch of Zambrotta, Nesta and hopefully Maldini, until he becomes more comfortable with handling the pressure of a skillful winger without the back up plan of a defensive midfielder if he overcommits and is left for dead.
Abate has simply not faced opponents such as Menez often enough in competition in his short career at right back and lacking this education normally suffered by a much younger player and often in less stressful situations than playing for the league leaders we must ensure that he is run ragged in training. This weakness is the major deficiency masked by Gattuso's help but also the only signficant reason to fear Ringhio's absence from the midfield in a big game. When Abate masters a tricky dribbler we will witness the end of his Gattuso dependency.
Thirdly Abate must improve in the air and particularly focus on his man marking in the box, a responsibility he has at times been relieved of I have noticed, often waiting on the periphery of the area during a set piece. He has shown a marked improvement this year, aided by his ggressive nature, however it is an important facet of his play that must be developed. Where as players such as Bonera are too timid to attack the ball or even Thiago Silva who is almost too clean at times - though he makes up for this in most areas - Abate has the potential to be a fantastic man marker in the box if his aggression and concentration are well trained.
Abate's general play in his own penalty area has improved despite his high profile mistake against Roma - unfairly dwelled upon as it directly led to a defeat - and he will continue to grow in confidence with experience and time. In effect we have a very promising defender, however the following questions need to be asked.
How ready is Abate to face a team such as Barcelona or Arsenal, or even perhaps Germany for the national team? An excellent performance against Real Madrid may have won confidence from the fans, however was the failure of Ronaldo to beat Abate down to a growth in maturity or a lack of ideas from the Madrid winger?
Given that only against excellent opposition Abate's weaknesses may be exposed, do you believe that the appropriate steps will be taken in training to improve Ignazio as a defender? Will his eventual education in big game situations be enough to improve Abate gradually without costing Milan too much? Would the introduction of a new right back able to provide signficant competition to Abate hasten improvements or would a new first team option be a good idea if available for a reasonable price?
Or am I simply being too critical and over analysing the situation? Abate has done a fantastic job and I personally think that he will continue to improve to cover his weaknesses, however I wrote this as I believe it's important to recognise where he needs to improve but also to remind ourselves that he is learning a position and must be forgiven mistakes as he is a player who learns and improves based upon his past errors.
There is also the question of his offensive qualities which need work. His crossing is incredibly inconsistent however again this is something that merely needs to be addressed in training and will improve as he plays more and our attack settles and whilst our midfield and defence have been fairly stable the forward trio rarely play more than three games in a row without a signficant change and the incredibly varied nature of Cassano, Pato, Robinho and Boateng mean that Abate and Antonini have not had a clear idea of how to work with our strike force when advancing forward.
Both fullbacks however need to be more confident in their abilities and attempt to terrify by heading for the byline. Abate in particular can often achieve more through ball carrying than attempting a passing game with an attack that has not yet fully established an understanding and a permanent style of play. A twenty-five yard burst from Abate can do more to cause an accidental tear in the shape of a back line or invite movement into the box from our midfield than the current movements from the back. Not only Abate but Antonini look to be suffering from stage fright whenever they go forward and a bit more self belief is necessary, otherwise all their work in training is worthless without at least the courage to take someone on.
William405
Apr 1 2011, 03:00 PM
Blog: Abate turn
As Milan face a season-defining derby with Inter, Ignazio Abate prepares for his most significant challenge to his growing reputation as a top full-back. Rob Paton writes
In Milan’s recent faltering, one remaining constant has been Ignazio Abate’s progress at right-back. Performances against Tottenham and Palermo have been in marked contrast to that of the team, and Saturday’s clash with Inter proves significant.
Originally a right-midfielder, Abate’s work on loan at Empoli and Torino convinced Milan to keep the player for 2009-10. With limited options in defence and minimal room for wide midfielders in Leonardo’s 4-3-1-2 shape, Abate was subsequently pushed to right-back, a position he had occasionally played as a youth and during his time in Turin, but was far from technically proficient in.
Abate’s first full season here wasn’t without teething problems, reflective of the necessity and immediacy of the switch, but he has grown to understand the role. Indeed his progress towards the end of the campaign convinced Milan to extend his contract, whilst his work with Massimiliano Allegri sees him on the verge of the national team, and a growing central presence in the dressing room, and played nowhere but at right-back now.
Whilst there is an element of truth to the fact Milan’s added defensive weight in centre-midfield under Allegri has had a positive affect on Abate’s game, it does the 24-year-old’s individual work a disservice. This season has seen a tempering of the boy’s natural attacking tendencies in favour of a more mature defensive manner. Where Abate’s pace, composure on the ball, crossing and shooting ability are useful assets for an otherwise narrow Rossoneri attack, his defensive game has vastly improved this term, notable aspects including dealing with crosses and diagonal balls, his physical handling of opponents and his tactical positioning.
Added to this, Abate’s attacking movement is now more calculated. Working in tandem with left-back Luca Antonini, the duo’s role has been refined under Allegri. Where with Leonardo their support-play was as a secondary, often sporadic outlet, Allegri has patterns of play based entirely on their work-rate down the flanks.
Abate’s turning point is thought to be Cristiano Ronaldo’s visit with Real Madrid in November. Returning from injury to team up with Gennaro Gattuso, his performance was a noteworthy positive from the draw. Before that game the full-back had started just twice under Allegri in 12 games, since then it is 19 starts from a possible 26.
Such has been the player’s form this season, and recently in contrast to his team, those around the player’s camp believe he is close to earning a first international call-up, with many at the club surprised he missed the Slovenia and Ukraine squad.
As Milan face their biggest hurdle yet in chasing the Scudetto, the right-back will face his toughest challenge too. Not only will he line-up against one of Europe’s strongest right-back exponents in Douglas Maicon, but any doubts over his own standing in the role will be fully tested by Inter’s most in-form player this season, Samuel Eto’o.
Abate also carries memories into the fixture. Firstly of last season’s derby where his mistake saw Diego Milito score the first in a 2-0 defeat, and then of this term’s Week 12 derby where two needless yellow cards saw him sent off – the first for pulling back Eto’o, the second for pushing Goran Pandev.
This is also arguably the first big game Abate goes into expected to perform well. Eto’o and Co will guarantee him a psychological and physical challenge, and it will be a mark of how far he has come should he meet it.
Football-italia.
I hope he plays well,and get a national call up.I think he's good defensively,and average in attack.Funny,cause it used to be the opposite.Forza Abate!
amancik
Aug 13 2011, 05:46 AM
Saturday 13 August, 2011
Abate waits for Azzurri chance
Milan full-back Ignazio Abate is determined to earn his place in the Italy squad. “I don’t have as much quality, so always have to go 100kph.”
The 24-year-old started his career as a winger and was transformed into a full-back with the Rossoneri, but is yet to earn a call-up from Cesare Prandelli.
“I am a lad who has to give 100 per cent at all times to improve, because perhaps I don’t have as much quality as Alessandro Nesta or Thiago Silva, so I always have to go 100kph,” he told Sky Sport.
“I have ambitious targets with this team and haven’t won nearly as much as my Milan teammates, so I and the other youngsters in the side have 3,000 more reasons to seek trophies, including the Champions League.
“There are many great full-backs who are doing well at club level and therefore the Italy squad. I just need to keep working and make it difficult for the Coach to drop me every Sunday.”
Abate has had a remarkable career progression considering he has only recently become a full-back.
“This position means you need to be concentrated for all 90 minutes and see many things from another angle.”
Football-italia.net
He has definitely grown into an impressive player over the last two seasons. My respect for him has grown after this statement.
dst
Aug 13 2011, 09:05 AM
"perhaps I don’t have as much quality as Alessandro Nesta or Thiago Silva"
perhaps?
Fillipo Simone
Aug 13 2011, 09:23 AM
Respect for the true words. He's managed to improve, but still isn't must learn many things.
dst
Aug 13 2011, 11:02 AM
he's become a better defender but in attack, the only thing he improved is that he now runs straight ahead like an idiot only half as often as he used to.
Dracoris
Aug 13 2011, 03:13 PM
He was integral in the build up play in both goals against Inter and is the best crosser we have on the right. I'd say currently he's doing ok in attack.
il_diavolo_mtl
Aug 13 2011, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 13 2011, 06:02 AM)

he's become a better defender but in attack, the only thing he improved is that he now runs straight ahead like an idiot only half as often as he used to.
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Aug 13 2011, 10:13 AM)

He was integral in the build up play in both goals against Inter and is the best crosser we have on the right. I'd say currently he's doing ok in attack.
While I agree that he has often darted quite linearly up-field, I have noted a significant improvement is his offensive organization, i think he needs to keep improving and who knows, maybe some time soon he'll have the confidence to take a shot... Until then his passing/crossing in the final third combined with our forwards' movement in the box and Ibra magic was essentially our main source of goals throughout the entire year. I hope to see him improve and get the NT nod. That being said i honestly think that Maggio is much better.
Jack Bauer
Nov 8 2011, 07:13 PM
Ignazio Abate is determined to show he deserves his call-up to the latest Italy squad and has rejected talk of being just a short-term solution.
Milan right-back Abate received his first call-up under Cesare Prandelli at the weekend for the international friendlies with Poland and Uruguay.
Azzurri CT Prandelli commented that Abate must develop a greater consistency to his play if he wants to be considered for Euro 2012 contention.
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani responded that the youngster has fully merited his call-up, but also suggested that he cannot be used as merely a stopgap.
Abate himself has now commented on the call-up and believes he can become a long-term member of the team.
“I do not feel like a stopgap, I see this call as an opportunity for myself. It will be up to me to prove that I deserve in future to be in the new squad.
“Galliani has always believed in my qualities, I do not feel I am in the centre of a dispute between the club and the national team.
“They are very serene, Galliani has made statements about me, but it remains up to me to merit the position with the Azzurri.”
The converted right-sided midfielder took time to thank the Milan Coaches he has worked under, Leonardo and Massimiliano Allegri.
“How did I get here? For me, the first to play me at right-back was Leonardo, who found this role after I was successful in another as a youth.
“Then came Allegri, to whom I owe a lot, who made me work hard every day to learn the defensive phase and the mechanisms of the back-four.
“It was not easy because I was a winger and was accustomed to think only about attack.”
http://www.football-italia.net/node/12657
X-Offender
Nov 12 2011, 02:53 PM
Abate makes 25 today. Happy birthday Turbo Ignazio!
William405
Nov 12 2011, 04:07 PM
Happy birthday speedy! xD
kurtsimonw
Aug 15 2012, 09:59 PM
Poor tonight, beaten for both goals. Shame with our lack of money he'll be here for good.
X-Offender
Aug 16 2012, 01:37 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2012, 10:59 PM)

Poor tonight, beaten for both goals. Shame with our lack of money he'll be here for good.
It was Balzaretti in the first goal.
kurtsimonw
Aug 16 2012, 02:32 AM
Was it? I'll take your word for it.
han2503
Aug 9 2014, 12:25 PM
Bumped
han2503
Sep 18 2014, 03:31 PM
QUOTE
Abate’s future at San Siro isn’t so assured, as he has yet to renew his current contract, which expires next June.
“My agent is talking with the club. Milan knows my requirements, Galliani is satisfied with my work and a solution will be found.
“Then there are many factors that could change things. What hurt me was that I would read the figures I have asked for in order to sign. Figures that are far removed from reality.”
Hopefully his and De Jong's situations are resolved ASAP. They shouldn't let this even linger until January because then you're inviting on other teams to offer them deals.
kurtsimonw
Sep 18 2014, 05:20 PM
Yeah you should never let it run under two years really. Unless they are a bad, unwanted, player.
han2503
Sep 18 2014, 05:25 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 18 2014, 05:20 PM)

Yeah you should never let it run under two years really. Unless they are a bad, unwanted, player.
Agreed, however this seems to be our new "strategy"

Can't wait until they renew Bonera's and Abbiati's in the summer...
X-Offender
Sep 18 2014, 05:30 PM
He earns €1.5 million if I'm not mistaken. If his request is below the €2.2-2.3 million figure, then he should be given an extension. Otherwise, sorry, you're simply asking too much Igna.
han2503
Sep 18 2014, 06:06 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 18 2014, 05:30 PM)

He earns €1.5 million if I'm not mistaken. If his request is below the €2.2-2.3 million figure, then he should be given an extension. Otherwise, sorry, you're simply asking too much Igna.
It's been reported he wants 2m.
But really, I'd go as far as 3m if we're really pushed before applying the cut off. I don't think we can get a RB as good as him with the little money we can spend on players and it's not like quality RBs are growing on trees, and even if they were, we wouldn't even be able to afford the fertilizer for that tree

So atm I think we should at the least try our best to keep hold of our best assets on this team
X-Offender
Sep 18 2014, 09:53 PM
It's interesting how a player can change when he feels motivated and wanted by the coach. Both Abate and Honda (especially Abate) were marginalized by Seedorf, but Pippo gave them their confidence back and so far they've been two of our best performers. Abate with two assists in two games even!
acid911
Sep 18 2014, 10:04 PM
Honda's case is a little different, though.

Last season he had to share the spotlight and the pitch with Kaka, and not to mention Balotelli was still here creating havoc. With both gone, the guy has come into his own. I just hope this form continues, and Honda is able to build upon this. He's a good chap, this guy.
But like I said, you need half a season to gauge any player these days. At least six months.
han2503
Sep 18 2014, 10:27 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 18 2014, 09:53 PM)

It's interesting how a player can change when he feels motivated and wanted by the coach. Both Abate and Honda (especially Abate) were marginalized by Seedorf, but Pippo gave them their confidence back and so far they've been two of our best performers. Abate with two assists in two games even!
Agreed, especially about Abate.
Abate has been very consistent for us as a defensive performer since 10/11 imo (minus when he meets Milito

), no he hasn't been great at assisting but I think for that you have to look at the tactics we played as well, it's not like any of our other FBs have half decent assist stats either. It's kind of hard to make an assist when there's no one to aim your cross at in the box half the time.
And yeah, he definitely struggled a lot under Seedorf, there clearly was some sort of rift there, although he was always one of our most consistent performers under Allegri who also always trusted him and was the one who really helped in giving him his chance and helped mature him as a real RB. I think this is one area where Allegri excelled, Abate finally coming into his own as a FB was under him as he was a total mess and liability during both Carlo's and Leonardo's reign and he was also the one who plucked DS out of the Primavera and gave him his chance
acid911
Sep 18 2014, 10:55 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 19 2014, 03:27 AM)

Agreed, especially about Abate.
Abate has been very consistent for us as a defensive performer since 10/11 imo (minus when he meets Milito), no he hasn't been great at assisting but I think for that you have to look at the tactics we played as well, it's not like any of our other FBs have half decent assist stats either. It's kind of hard to make an assist when there's no one to aim your cross at in the box half the time.
And yeah, he definitely struggled a lot under Seedorf, there clearly was some sort of rift there, although he was always one of our most consistent performers under Allegri who also always trusted him and was the one who really helped in giving him his chance and helped mature him as a real RB. I think this is one area where Allegri excelled, Abate finally coming into his own as a FB was under him as he was a total mess and liability during both Carlo's and Leonardo's reign and he was also the one who plucked DS out of the Primavera and gave him his chance
Fanboy.

Not a mention of Honda.
han2503
Sep 18 2014, 11:27 PM
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 18 2014, 10:55 PM)

Fanboy.

Not a mention of Honda.
Well, because I think with Honda it was very many factors which were effecting him negatively last season.
I don't think there was a particular problem with Seedorf tbh.
The man has been playing football constantly since before the Confed Cup, he came to Milan after playing that and a full season with CSKA in the Russian league, played another half of a season with us, went to the World Cup and came back in early pre-season. Add all that with coming to Milan while we were going through a horrible moment when the entire team was under performing, in fighting in the upper management, 3 coaching changes and being played out of position on top of all that.
The man is just an amazing professional and I always truly believed that he would come good, even when people were already starting to turn their back on him and labelling him a failure and only a marketing asset
X-Offender
Sep 19 2014, 12:19 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 18 2014, 11:27 PM)

The man is just an amazing professional and I always truly believed that he would come good, even when people were already starting to turn their back on him and labelling him a failure and only a marketing asset
Yep, same here. Never lost my faith in him.
acid911
Sep 19 2014, 12:31 AM
Agreed with everything that's said above.

And I was, of course, joking. I was on the Abate bandwagon, until he stopped developing. Always wanted him to start ahead of other seniors we had at that time. Now? He's one of the better players we have, period. For what it's worth, one of the first names on the team sheet.
As for Honda, again, another player that I wanted Milan to sign, ages ago. The proof is in the posts. I actually factored in the untapped marketing potential, which we still don't seem to be going after, in the Asian region.

Honda is, for all intents and purposes, the best footballer in Asia.
And well, he's a great type of guy to have in a team. Keeps his head down, and gives his best, every time.
Jack Sparrow
Sep 19 2014, 09:38 AM
I love Honda. He is my new favourite Milan player. Might be getting a jersey.
KillerMax
Sep 19 2014, 11:21 AM
Meh, I prefer Mazda...
X-Offender
Sep 19 2014, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Sep 19 2014, 11:21 AM)

Meh, I prefer Mazda...
Cheesy.
Danny
Sep 20 2014, 01:44 PM
I think Honda's better than the catastrophe he was last season, but I can't say he's totally won me over yet. Still feel he doesn't influence matches as much as I hoped he would, and for me I'm not yet subscribing to the love in over him now.
He's improved, yes, but not enough for me to want him to start every match.
Menez proved me wrong, hopefully Honda can too.
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