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He can be a great player... under Wenger. He's being ruined at Milan.

true...but i woudnt be happy then maybe a year or two-year loan option...

I would be happy for him if he goes. He's wasting here. He would thrive at Arsenal. Ancelotti is not the ideal coach to nurture a youngster.

But then we'd have to replace another one of our midfielders, and they are all doing pretty good at the moment...

Kaka.

and remember we have pato too, we can´t say that, i´m sure gourcuff will stay in san siro and he will demostrate the kind of player he can be

Hleb and Fabregas are untouchable but I think in the long run he can replace Rosicky. That guy is not a winner, he's just a good player.

How about we trade Gourcuff for that Spanish kid who plays in the Arsenal midfield?

(*runs and hides from Locke*)

20 Million? I would bring him there with a wheel barrow...

FU Arsenal!

Ol blue eyes stays here, but please Ancelotti, can you start playing him. He looked quite good and motivated vs Celtic

You mean the great carlo???????????????

Yoann ought to hold on for a little longer as carlo won't be at Milan forever

Like I said before, we should loan him to another Italian team (there he would be a starter, will adjust to Italian game , mature and can gain more confidence) then give him another try. Seedorf is not getting any younger and if there a chance Yoann can become something big, would be a shame to sell him now.

Sorry for sounding like an ***, but is Gourcuff more a winner than Rosicky?
Then we'd have to try something like this...

--------------------Almunia--------------------
Sagna--------Toure-------Gallas-------Clichy
---------------------Fabregas------------------
Rosicky------------Gourcuff--------------Hleb
----------------------Adebayor----------------


...wich obviously won't work.

Loans and big players don't go along... Yoann will either be given a chance in Milan and develop into something big OR will spend a career on loans hoping for something better... at least that's how I see it.


You don't sound like an ***. But no I didn't say Gourcuff is a winner. I said Rosicky is not a winner and that's why Yoann can replace him and not Hleb, Fabregas. Plus you bet on the added bonus that Yoann might become a winner!


Of course not. Rosicky out, van Persie on!

I don't see why not. Give him the opportunity in a team that he can develop in, and then decide if he's worth another chance at Milan. Many great players were loaned at young age. Before selling, we need to be sure that we are not missing out on somebody that can be great.

I can't remember any, that's why I said these two things don't go together. Can you name anyone?

Boban.

Boban was loaned right after Milan bought him. He was not loaned out because he was not good enough... he just wasn't ready. Players that fail to make it into a team's first XI never manage to do so after a loan... at least 99% of the times. Yoann will either makes it in Milan now or he will never do so... I don't want to be dogmatic but this is what I've learned from similar situations.

...i know this is a contreversial thing to say in light of the coaching speculation, but this is all Ancelotti's fault, and I will be pretty upset if Gourcuff transfers. It will be Ancelotti's fault. if we tallied up all the minutes he has played its probably less than 10 matches worth. Yet, he has still impressed in the little time he has been given..we can't judge him on the little 10 minute appearances he makes! Carlo hasnt given him a chance to crack the line up, and i dont think thats fair. Sometimes, especially in league, he could have had way more impact in games than Ambrosini did. If he had been playing in matches from the start, and given maybe 3 or 4 full matches with the starting eleven, i have no doubt he would be wowing us and pushing seedorf. You can see he has delicate touch, creative passing, and a powerful shot...but when hes in the matches late in the game, what's the point? He's usually put in when the match is out of question, and the team isnt trying to attack..and at that point why put him in? just to play keep away? or he's in when its a 0-0 draw, pressure is on, and hes not allowed to settle into the flow. If he leaves, i'm going to be dissapointed because on the French under-21 team he outshone nasri, and now he apparently can't get playing time over Brocchi.

to make it worse, if Arsene Wegner wants him..there's a better chance of him leaving than staying. Wenger is a great cultivator of talent, is French, and usually gets the players he wants. I think if this rumors are true, Yoann may see this as a better opportunity to play at a high level..and if Carletto's in charge hes prlly right.

Gourcuff came to Milan, with Carlo's blessing! No player is forced into the team without Carlo's consent.

Now if Gourcuff can stand up to the challenge and fight for a place in the first XI, then so be it. If not, then Milan should move on, as this is a club that wins titles not develops youth players.

With that said, Gourcuff had proven in Liga 1 that he is an exceptional player, and I am of the opinion that he is exactly that (as he reminds me of Zidane, A LOT!!) ... Still, the pressure of playing for a club as BIG as Milan is something beyond us all. All we see is a round ball and a coach that refuses to play Gourcuff. When in reality, Gourcuff might not be mentally ready to take a first team spot just yet.

IMO, I doubt Gourcuff would leave Milan. I think Milan would sell Gourcuff before him deciding otherwise. After all, he knew his chances of making first team were slim when he first got here (he refused Arsenal and Madrid amongst many others who came forward for him, and he chose Milan) .. I think he'll gradually move into Seedorf's place in the left midfield slot. Maybe he'll play 6 - 10 more games this season .. Then next season a bit more. It's still early to speculate, but he is improving. Seeing as how he took the pitch against Celtic the other day, he should a lot of improvement in the tactical set up.




U need help ? I could hold him down for u

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another?

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another?

You sure pal? You mean he's the one that gave us Favalli, Emerson, Vieri, Oliviera, and crowns it all with Ibrahim Ba Great.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, all the players that Carlo has/had came to Milan because Carlo also agreed to have them.

p.s. Emerson was on top of Carlo's shopping list btw

I agree. It's as simple as this; Gourcuff is much better than Brocchi (who isn't?)... if Brocchi plays it's only because Carletto's scared to play a bit more offensively.

But if Gourcuff is loaned to Arsenal and develops there, it will be a massive change for him to return back to Italy, with different team-mates, different opponents, different playing styles etc.

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!

But about Gourcuff, he's young and French - Perfect for Arsenal.. Not that I think he'll fit in your team at all.

You got it all wrong, I don't want Milan to loan Gourcuff to Arsenal, I'm talking about selling him. I think that's what's best for him...

I too believe this is Arsenal's strongest XI.


Really? I think Sagna is one of Arsenal's best this season and of the main reasons why they are doing so well. Same for Flamini, (as they've themselves said) he's their Gattuso, he's a very useful player. Clichy is not bad but he's not world-class material either, I agree on this one. As for Almunia, he's no Buffon or Cech (ie he won't perform an unbelievable super save) but he's a 7 and he always produces a 7, he's consistent. In my view what Arsenal need the most is a world class forward.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I would have even highlighted Adebayor as I've never rated him, but he has been World class this year.

OK but you're wrong!

The only world class thing he has done this season is his goal against Newcastle. He's a helpful player but he real far from being world-class. At least that's what I think.

PLEASE tell me that was a joke...and I've come to really rate Flamini, he's got a great fighting spirit and it looks like he's starting to sharpen up in front of goal.

And dst, Adebayor and Van Persie are good enough.
I'd like Van Persie to stop getting all these 9-week injuries, though.

Wenger should just get Villa.

Would be fun!!

Sorry for the double post, but...

The volley against Spurs.
Squeezing Melberg in the air and scoring a header against Villa.
Doing the same against Spurs.
Two classy goals against Derby.
Running non-stop throughout every single game.

That's world-class...

Flamini? I hate his attitude but I like him as a player. I just don't think he has the ability to start for a top 4 team. He gives 110% all the time, but sometimes it's not enough. He should be played for a 2nd tier team like Newcastle, Pompey, Villa, Man City, etc.

As for Sagna, he shouldn't be playing for you. He looks better than he is because you're a good team and are on top of the game most of the time and he can get forward. When it comes to defending, I don't rate him at all. Even Carew owned him for pace in the build up to our goal! I'd prefer to have Eboue back there to be honest.

I guess you just haven't seen Sagna that much.
If you had, you'd have noted his incredible work capacity, his brilliant runs and well-timed tackles.

I love van Persie. We partly agree, I think Adebayor is good enough... for the bench.


Yeah but not being able to control the ball 60% of the times is not. I'm not saying he's bad but with the feed he gets he should score a couple goals per game.


That's not Sagna. That's what I'd say about Adebayor. He's a great team player but a starter for a team that's going for the championship? I don't think so...


Noooo! Eboue sucks big time!

Then we agree on one thing, Eboue is...not the best player youl'l ever see.
I guess wel'l just have to keep on disagreeing about Adebayor though.

Well... what to do... I just hope he keeps on scoring (unless Arsenal meet Milan), that will keep us both happy!

Pirlo!

Hmm...Seedorf as well. The metamorphosis from Calamity Clarence to the Dutch Maestro has been something to behold.

And Mourinho managed to 'suppress' the qualities of Sheva pretty well, didn't he.

Both wrong. We're talking about young players coming to milan and getting the requisite opportunity to excel. Seedorf and Pirlo hardly fit that bill.

Dennis Bergkamp.

Pirlo was 21 when Milan bought him. I'd say that's not too far different from Gourcuff's age.

Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Essien, Cavalho, Cech, Robben all have thier greatest career performances under him. Sheva self-destructed. The style at chelsea (which was working excellently for the team) does not fit him. Unless you're suggesting Jose should shelve everything and re-build the team around Sheva. DOes that make sense?

I see we beat Urawa 1-0 to set up a final with Boca. Again, in Carlo's estimation, Gourcuff is not good enough even for his usual token 10/15 mins. Seerdorf's sub was Brocchi And ppl accuse Mourinho of being defensive

Don't Arsenal want my ****?

If you're still a teen I'm sure Wenger would jump at the chance!

he isnt exactly flourishing under grant is he?

besides it's not mourinho's fault sheva was missing the easiest of chances just as it's not carlo's fault that gila is doing the same.

That was low dst.
Really, really low.