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dst
I don't agree with you Kurt. This is a very good squad team they have there and if they sign a couple more next season they're going to be fully charged for the CL!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 26 2007, 08:19 PM)
I don't agree with you Kurt. This is a very good squad team they have there and if they sign a couple more next season they're going to be fully charged for the CL!
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We'll see. When they don't win the UEFA Cup, we can all start laughing then. wink.gif
KillerMax
Bayern are fundamentally a strong team. They have a great board of directors and managers and if they keep their ambitions alive, soon they will win the CL. It's not like they haven't won it in 50 years... wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jun 26 2007, 08:27 PM)
Bayern are fundamentally a strong team. They have a great board of directors and managers and if they keep their ambitions alive, soon they will win the CL. It's not like they haven't won it in 50 years... wink.gif
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It's typical hype that surrounds every team when they sign one or two good players. rolleyes.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 26 2007, 02:36 PM)
It's typical hype that surrounds every team when they sign one or two good players.  rolleyes.gif
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It certainly worked for Chelsea. wink.gif And Bayern have a much better history.
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 26 2007, 11:23 PM)
We'll see. When they don't win the UEFA Cup, we can all start laughing then.  wink.gif
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What if they don't?? I couldn't care less when Milan lost it some years ago... and I bet Bayern won't care all that much too!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 26 2007, 08:53 PM)
What if they don't?? I couldn't care less when Milan lost it some years ago... and I bet Bayern won't care all that much too!
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Everybody wants to win it, the UEFA Cup is VERY hard to win. One poor game and you're as good as out of it, in the CL you're allowed to play poorly a few times and can still get away with it.

I hope the Milan board didn't think like that, that's very disrespectful to teams that on that level.
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 27 2007, 02:30 AM)
Everybody wants to win it, the UEFA Cup is VERY hard to win. One poor game and you're as good as out of it, in the CL you're allowed to play poorly a few times and can still get away with it.

I hope the Milan board didn't think like that, that's very disrespectful to teams that on that level.
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I don't think we were disrespectful. Back then we had a very bad season (we even lost to Hapoel Tel Aviv ohmy.gif biggrin.gif ): Some crappy players and Sheva who carried the team had a big injury.

Actually, I wanted us to win it since Uefa cup is the only european trophy Milan miss.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 27 2007, 12:16 AM)
I don't think we were disrespectful. Back then we had a very bad season (we even lost to Hapoel Tel Aviv  ohmy.gif biggrin.gif  ): Some crappy players and Sheva who carried the team had a big injury.

Actually, I wanted us to win it since Uefa cup is the only european trophy Milan miss.
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I was really looking to a Milan derby in the UEFA Cup Final. That would have been brilliant, we both messed it up though. rolleyes.gif
Portman
Karagounis is not staying in Benfica. He'll be back to Italy or Greece.
dst
Kara! Good lad!!

I hope to see him in Serie A (Palermo maybe!?) next season! smile.gif
misha

$$$$
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 13 2007, 06:37 PM)

$$$$
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Unfortunately, it looks like he's going to be a disappointment to the US fans.

I saw an interview with Lalas earlier today, he's trying to make some of the newer fans understand that he's not what they think. Apparently, they belive he's going to bang in the goals every week and they're going to win all the time. I'm not certain some of them actually know what Beckham is, in terms of a player.
dst
Beckhams's 1st training session!

Alexi Lalas must be happy! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 13 2007, 09:45 PM)
I saw an interview with Lalas earlier today, he's trying to make some of the newer fans understand that he's not what they think. Apparently, they belive he's going to bang in the goals every week and they're going to win all the time. I'm not certain some of them actually know what Beckham is, in terms of a player.
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I hope this won't be the case!
kurtsimonw
Keeping with the MLS theme..

I managed to catch the MLS All-Star game tonight (Repeat, it was played a few days ago). I was pleasently surprised with how well they played. Celtic pretty much took their full team with a very competitive first XI.

Now I know it's all the best players from the MLS, but even so, to beat a team like Celtic is surely something? I mean, Milan played 210 minutes against Celtic and only won 1-0. The MLS also missed a penalty and had a goal disallowed, and in my opinion dominated the game, Celtic didn't have too many chances. Hopefully it's a sign that the sport's improving over there.

MLS All-Stars 2-0 Celtic

Goals from two Colombians, Angel and Toja.

On a side note, I was very pleased on a personal level. With Angel being one of the biggest fan favourites ever at the Villa it was nice to see him..
Top the voting to be selected in the first XI
Score
Be the All-Star MVP


Like I said, ON THE FIELD, he'll make a bigger impact than Becks. cool.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 13 2007, 01:45 PM)
Unfortunately, it looks like he's going to be a disappointment to the US fans.

I saw an interview with Lalas earlier today, he's trying to make some of the newer fans understand that he's not what they think. Apparently, they belive he's going to bang in the goals every week and they're going to win all the time. I'm not certain some of them actually know what Beckham is, in terms of a player.
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when he does score them their spectacular but even in a lesser league than la liga or premier league i dont think he'll score more than 7-8 goals a season. and i dont think we'll see as much crossing from him because he should be played in the center of midfield so he can see more of the ball plus he'll run less.
Portman
Lot of rumours about Simao Sabrosa (Benfica) going to Atletico Madrid for 20M/euros + 2 players from Atletico.

Good choice. rolleyes.gif He prefers to play the Intertoto than in the Champions League.
Money talks, plus Atletico is full of it since they got 30M from F.Torres.

Porto lost Pepe and Anderson. Sporting Nani. Benfica probably Simao.
This is bad... really bad for the Portuguese League. 4 of the 10 best out there sold. rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 26 2007, 05:12 AM)
This is bad... really bad for the Portuguese League. 4 of the 10 best out there sold.  rolleyes.gif
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I don't think so, I think the Portugese teams will come out with another Figo or Costa .. It is inevitable ... So I don't think they are in a bad situation.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 26 2007, 02:31 AM)
I don't think so, I think the Portugese teams will come out with another Figo or Costa .. It is inevitable ... So I don't think they are in a bad situation.
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Agreed.

The top Portugese and Dutch teams never cease to surprise, they seem to have a production line for these top young talents.
Portman


Freddy Adu is about to sign for Benfica for... 2M/euros. rolleyes.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 30 2007, 04:57 PM)


Freddy Adu is about to sign for Benfica for... 2M/euros.  rolleyes.gif
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huh.gif

I don't rate him highly at all, but E2m? So much for the star of the future, that's how much really bad players cost nowadays. rolleyes.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 30 2007, 07:09 PM)
I don't rate him highly at all, but E2m? So much for the star of the future, that's how much really bad players cost nowadays.  rolleyes.gif
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I think it's all Nike's fault with this guy, they hyped him up so much when he was like 14/15 I remember seeing clips on their site of him and images splashed everywhere. Probably didn't help his career that much, I thought Man United were going to sign him after his trial earlier last year though, obviously he didn't impress that much!
Portman
QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 30 2007, 08:11 PM)
I think it's all Nike's fault with this guy, they hyped him up so much when he was like 14/15 I remember seeing clips on their site of him and images splashed everywhere. Probably didn't help his career that much, I thought Man United were going to sign him after his trial earlier last year though, obviously he didn't impress that much!
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He was in a R.Madrid trial too. But they didn't sign him. But 2M/euros?! FFS, that's a bargain. Even Aubameyang would be more expensive.

Well, now it seems he's coming to Portugal. We'll see how he adapts. He's still 18 though. We'll have half-America watching the Portuguese League. biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 30 2007, 10:32 PM)
We'll have half-America watching the Portuguese League.  biggrin.gif
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Didn't think of that. Nice move for the Portugese league for certain.
Tennie
Bet Benfica will sell a jersey or two. smile.gif

It'll be interesting to see how Freddy gets along and what/how much he learns at Benfica. He'll have one of the best AMs in the business to learn from: Rui Costa.
Locke Lamora
Just thought I'd add some Norwegian teams and jerseys:

Start in yellow vs. Fana in stripes.
Tennie
Well, Bayern hasn't quite had a stellar start to the season. In the German League Cup (Dfb Pokal), they had to go to penalties to beat third division Wacker Burghausen (though in a YAY for La Palma, Bochum did win their game).
Tennie
Tonight is the DC United - LA Galaxy game. LA's new transfer trained with the team and may make an appearance, especially since Steve McClaren will be in the audience. I'll be there too (free ticket!) sitting with the DC ultras. The stadium is sold out, so it should be an experience.
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 9 2007, 12:53 PM)
Tonight is the DC United - LA Galaxy game. LA's new transfer trained with the team and may make an appearance, especially since Steve McClaren will be in the audience. I'll be there too (free ticket!) sitting with the DC ultras. The stadium is sold out, so it should be an experience.
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There are Ultras in America? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Jack Sparrow
Evidently....but since they're giving free tickets, not a lot I guess. wink.gif
Tennie
Hard to believe, isn't it?smile.gif There are, though - at least by American standards. They always hold a big tailgate party before the game (food, BEER, snacks, BEER). They have banners, chants, rude songs for the other teams (along with the occasional chant of 'f*ck you ref' if there's a bad call), etc etc etc. (According to my friend, the new banner for tonight will be 'Bench it like Beckham'). They stand through the entire game and don't STOP with the chants and songs. The odd thing about the DC groups (there are two big groups and a couple of smaller ones) is that they sit at center pitch down low opposite the benches instead of behind the goalposts. I've been told that it's because it looks better on tv.

EDIT for Jack: My friend has two season tickets and the person she usually goes with is out of town, so I'm going with her. smile.gif
Jack Sparrow
Kewlll....break a leg, and I don't mean Beckham's. See if you can throw a beer can at McLaren though. wink.gif You'll probably be made a knight or something.
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 9 2007, 01:07 PM)
Hard to believe, isn't it?smile.gif There are, though - at least by American standards. They always hold a big tailgate party before the game (food, BEER, snacks, BEER). They have banners, chants, rude songs for the other teams (along with the occasional chant of 'f*ck you ref' if there's a bad call), etc etc etc. (According to my friend, the new banner for tonight will be 'Bench it like Beckham'). They stand through the entire game and don't STOP with the chants and songs. The odd thing about the DC groups (there are two big groups and a couple of smaller ones) is that they sit at center pitch down low opposite the benches instead of behind the goalposts. I've been told that it's because it looks better on tv.

EDIT for Jack: My friend has two season tickets and the person she usually goes with is out of town, so I'm going with her. smile.gif
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Hum. OK. Nothing like the italian-standard so. There are no snacks there. wink.gif



(Roma's CUCS in their best years: 20.000 in the curva. Now... they're gone. Just like "our" FdL.)
Jack Sparrow
FDL was a different story. They paid the price for being too honourable and sticking to the old guidelines. Still the Briggate aren't so bad. Maybe the choreography suffers.
Tennie
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 9 2007, 08:11 AM)
Kewlll....break a leg, and I don't mean Beckham's. See if you can throw a beer can at McLaren though. wink.gif You'll probably be made a knight or something.
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I might get a chance! I'll be sitting in the 6th row right behind the VIP seats. smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 9 2007, 01:13 PM)
FDL was a different story. They paid the price for being too honourable and sticking to the old guidelines. Still the Briggate aren't so bad. Maybe the choreography suffers.
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The end of FdL wasn't only by the problem with Juventus Ultras. Silvio was also a problem for them.

BRN? lol. Without FdL, Curva Sud is not half as good as it was. A shame but it's true.
Tennie
(Why did FdL break up anyway? I forget the story).
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 9 2007, 01:53 PM)
(Why did FdL break up anyway? I forget the story).
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There were already some problems in the group, but it all went wrong with the Milan-Juve match. As we all know, there were some flags from Viking Milano on Curva Sud. A couple of capo's didn't agreed with showing the flags. It happend anyway. The Juventini said this action was very cowardly, because the flags were found, not stolen. But later it appears that someone from FdL got those flags from some Juventini...
Because of that incident there were some discussions about how to go on, not everyone had the same mentality anymore, etc. Discussions or not, they still decided to go to travel to Eindhoven for the CL match against PSV. After that match some FdL guys were treathend (with knives) by some Vikings (probably a Dutch section... don't know about that). That was how the FdL banner got in hands of the Vikings. There was complete chaos between in the FdL organisation because of this incident. Some blamed the group who got the Viking flags, some blamed the Juventini. Despite a long meeting, they decided to end the group...


[Viking Milano = Juventus Ultras - Milano section]
[Capo's = Leaders of the group]
But again... there were already serious problems in FdL. Even with Milan (club).

Curious how the biggest groups in Italy disbanded: FdL, CUCS (Roma), FdG (Genoa), CUCB (Napoli).
dst
I thought FdL was ended because they were singing racist songs and the other groups banned them somehow...
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 9 2007, 02:47 PM)
I thought FdL was ended because they were singing racist songs and the other groups banned them somehow...
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Nop. Nothing to do with it.

FdL was a left-wing group. BRN is the right-wing (although not extreme) one in Curva Sud but it's not usual to hear or to see any racist thing in Milan Curva.

"Extreme" right-wing is in the other side of San Siro: Viking Inter. (Just like Viking Juventus)
Boys San are right-wing too but not as extreme as the Viking.

Remember Zoro-Messina in San Siro some years ago in a match vs. Inter? rolleyes.gif
arivanjj
Zidane may join Sydney FC against Beckham
Tennie
Well, I'm back from the DC -LA game. It was an interesting experience. smile.gif Good game, all things considered, even though DC missed three or four absolute sitters. It started bucketing right after the second half started and even though I was in the fifth row, it was hard to see what was going on. The loud squeals alerted me to the fact that Beckham came on -- he did have one good, bending free kick but was otherwise not much of a factor in the game.

There were a couple of new chants by the DC fans tonight:

'Landon Donovan's the p*ssy of the year' (true, this one. bad overacting on challenges that'd make even an Argentine blush).

and my personal favourite: 'We sing better than your wife does'. smile.gif
kurtsimonw
Nice chants. laugh.gif

I'm assuming the score was 0-0?
Tennie
Oh, oops. Score was 1-0 DC. Luciano Emilio (the MLS leading scorer) in the 27th. Abel Xavier pretty much singlehandedly stopped it from being more than that, not counting the sitters. DC dominated the game though LA did have a few decent chances.
kurtsimonw
Nice result.. Though LA are hardly the best of teams. tongue.gif

Abel Xavier! One wonders why he EVER played for Liverpool. unsure.gif
Tennie
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 9 2007, 11:34 PM)
Abel Xavier! One wonders why he EVER played for Liverpool.  unsure.gif
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The hair, Kurt. The hair. cool.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 10 2007, 03:36 AM)
The hair, Kurt. The hair.  cool.gif
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Speaking of which..



He truely has balls of steel to show up like that in front of thousends every week. biggrin.gif

P.S. I just heard on SSN that the DC-LA game last night was the 4th highest attendance in MLS history, not bad. cool.gif
Portman
Portuguese SuperCup: FCPorto 0-1 Sporting Lisbon

Boring match. Good goal by Izmailov (from Russia NT).

Sporting wins the SuperCup 1 week after losing a friendly to Benfica (1-0 too).
dst
What a screamer by Izmailov! I only watched 15 minuted of the second half and luckily enough I saw him spurt that rocket! Oh, yeah... I also saw Quaresma pass three times, all three with a back-heel... I so hate that kind of players! rolleyes.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 11 2007, 11:26 PM)
What a screamer by Izmailov! I only watched 15 minuted of the second half and luckily enough I saw him spurt that rocket! Oh, yeah... I also saw Quaresma pass three times, all three with a back-heel... I so hate that kind of players! rolleyes.gif
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Quaresma didn't play on the wing today. Weird tactics by Porto coach...

I think they'll miss Pepe in the back-4 and Anderson creativity. They missed Lucho tonight but still... they should have done a lot better.

Sporting didn't play any good or so but it was enough. Moutinho (CM), Liedson (FW) and Veloso (DM) are their best players in the squad by far now.
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