Full Version: Ambrosini
I'd like to know what the salaries of our players are, to see who earns what in relation to others. Ambro doesn't deserve that much, but he certainly deserves double that of Flamini and Gattuso based on years service + ability.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 21 2009, 04:51 PM) 
I'd like to know what the salaries of our players are, to see who earns what in relation to others. Ambro doesn't deserve that much, but he certainly deserves double that of Flamini and Gattuso based on years service + ability.
If we're going to compare ability, then he shouldn't even get half of what Rino and Flamini get.
Secondly Ambro, Rino, Pirlo, Seedorf and Flamini all are on the same basic salaries. Kaka was the one that got the highest salary.
And imo, Ambro does not have anything more then the other players mentioned. Looking at his age and how much a liability he's been most of the time. I'd say he should accept what he's already getting, either that or he should look for another club.
I don't understand how anyone can be condoning this. Paolo had Milan for much longer and was 10 times the player Ambro was and will ever be, yet he never demanded wage increases even though he was among the lowest earners on the team and to top it off Milan wanted to slash HIS wages, not Ambro's or Seedorf's or Dida's. But that's the type of club Milan has become.
And its shameful to see Ambro demanding such a sum, especially now that Milan have been made to sell Kaka, and considering selling Pirlo who is on the same salary as he is. Captain material MY @SS!!!
Well that's a difference of opinion then, because Ambro is Gattuso + good in the air + scoring + better passing. In my opinion.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 21 2009, 06:05 PM)
Well that's a difference of opinion then, because Ambro is Gattuso + good in the air + scoring + better passing. In my opinion.
I really don't consider scoring a factor as it's not something that's in the job descrption for either player.
Do I want a mediocre Ambro to play in hopes of him scoring a header or do I want a far better player in Rino who will win balls and keep things simple on the pitch? hmm tough question.
I'm not an Ambro hater. I just find him so frustrating. And I don't understand how some here used to criticise a player like Gourcuff (not saying it was you) for trying to do the hard thing instead of the simple things yet overlooking the fact that this is something that Ambro constantly does, and what's really maddening about it is the fact that he has 0 finesse when it comes to controlling and passing the ball. He tries to take ridiculous shots that usually end up in the parking lot of the stadiums, tries to make passes that Pirlo doesn't even attempt and fails miserably. He's not even that good at doing his actual job which is winning the ball and passing it quickly to our ball players, something that Rino does to perfection.
I just find Ambro so frustrating I usually end up wanting to tear my hair out when I see him do these ridiculous things and yet Carlo never used to take him off because he's one of the old timer, experianced players
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 21 2009, 07:51 PM)
I'd like to know what the salaries of our players are, to see who earns what in relation to others. Ambro doesn't deserve that much, but he certainly deserves double that of Flamini and Gattuso based on years service + ability.
Ambrosini should earn double what Gattuso earns? Please, you could not like the former and dislike the latter more but try to be a bit more balanced for sanity's sake.
As for service, Ambrosini has indeed been at Milan for more but Gattuso has featured in more games than him.
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 21 2009, 10:34 PM)
Ambrosini should earn double what Gattuso earns? Please, you could not like the former and dislike the latter more but try to be a bit more balanced for sanity's sake.
It's called 'Exaggerating', type it in on google and I'm sure you'll find a few definitions.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 22 2009, 12:36 AM)
It's called 'Exaggerating', type it in on google and I'm sure you'll find a few definitions.
I'm better at it than you but this... this is not exaggeration it's "I can't stand Gattuso"... type... of thing.
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 21 2009, 10:40 PM)
I'm better at it than you but this... this is not exaggeration it's "I can't stand Gattuso"... type... of thing.Oh, and hans posts we're completely "I love Ambro" weren't they.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 21 2009, 10:37 AM)
Paolo never demanded wage increases even though he was among the lowest earners on the team and to top it off Milan wanted to slash HIS wages, not Ambro's or Seedorf's or Dida's.
Where did you hear that?
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 22 2009, 12:41 AM)
Where did you hear that?
There was a big dispute about it, because apparently they wanted to cut his wage by 50% and Paolo was already one of the lowest earners on the team. And Paolo was threatening to not renew again.
It was even posted here IIRC. I'll try to dig it up.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 21 2009, 11:49 PM)
Oh, and hans posts we're completely "I love Ambro" weren't they.
I never said I loved the guy, but you always seem to manage to bring Rino into a conversation to criticise him and how he's not even a player.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 22 2009, 02:49 AM)
Oh, and hans posts we're completely "I love Ambro" weren't they.
Don't let han get between us, I'm teasing you now!
QUOTE (Channel 4)
Ambro: 'Milan rushed Kaka exit'
Saturday 4 July, 2009
Milan captain Massimo Ambrosini criticised his club for the “rushed” sale of Kaka and warned Ronaldinho cannot carry the team.
Fans protested when Kaka was sold to Real Madrid for £60m last month and as yet no replacement has been found, although Luis Fabiano stated he was eager to join the Rossoneri.
“It all happened so quickly. It felt rushed and without any real planning behind it,” sniped Ambrosini in the Gazzetta dello Sport.
“It was decided out of nowhere to take this course of action, to sell the top player in order to balance the books.
“It can happen when a club ends every season in the red, but obviously it’s difficult for the fans to understand this sudden change of direction.”
President Silvio Berlusconi insisted Kaka’s sale would give Ronaldinho the opportunity to take a more commanding role, but Ambro isn’t convinced.
“Ronaldinho promised us all a great season and I believe him because we’re going towards the World Cup and he now cannot shake off the responsibilities handed to him after Kaka’s departure.
“In terms of personality, Ronaldinho needs to feel under pressure in order to give his best. Having said that, we must remember he can provide some elements to the team and not others…”
A centre-forward is still required and Milan are zeroing in on Confederations Cup top scorer Luis Fabiano.
Saturday 4 July, 2009
Milan captain Massimo Ambrosini criticised his club for the “rushed” sale of Kaka and warned Ronaldinho cannot carry the team.
Fans protested when Kaka was sold to Real Madrid for £60m last month and as yet no replacement has been found, although Luis Fabiano stated he was eager to join the Rossoneri.
“It all happened so quickly. It felt rushed and without any real planning behind it,” sniped Ambrosini in the Gazzetta dello Sport.
“It was decided out of nowhere to take this course of action, to sell the top player in order to balance the books.
“It can happen when a club ends every season in the red, but obviously it’s difficult for the fans to understand this sudden change of direction.”
President Silvio Berlusconi insisted Kaka’s sale would give Ronaldinho the opportunity to take a more commanding role, but Ambro isn’t convinced.
“Ronaldinho promised us all a great season and I believe him because we’re going towards the World Cup and he now cannot shake off the responsibilities handed to him after Kaka’s departure.
“In terms of personality, Ronaldinho needs to feel under pressure in order to give his best. Having said that, we must remember he can provide some elements to the team and not others…”
A centre-forward is still required and Milan are zeroing in on Confederations Cup top scorer Luis Fabiano.
No Ambro its better that we got it over with quickly so we can move on and think ahead to next season. Instead of dragging the will he, won't he story until the final days of the transfer window and then scrambling to buy someone new...
Ambro is the new captain. congrats Kurt!
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 6 2009, 03:49 PM)
Ambro is the new captain. congrats Kurt!
Ambro _ Is the ideal captain _ passion _ commitment _ defends intelligently and scores the crucial headers when they most count _
legend for me _ and yes he does have Milan in his DNA
often the unsung milan hero _ glad hes captain
Forza Ambrosini _ Forza Milan
legend for me _ and yes he does have Milan in his DNA
often the unsung milan hero _ glad hes captain
Forza Ambrosini _ Forza Milan
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 6 2009, 06:10 PM)
Come on. Why?
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2009, 11:32 AM)
Come on. Why?
Well hes gonna play in about half the games and yet he is the symbol of milan lol. I would rather have nesta or Gattuso or Pirlo as captain and given him vice.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 6 2009, 03:49 PM)
Ambro is the new captain. congrats Kurt!
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 6 2009, 08:38 PM)
Well hes gonna play in about half the games and yet he is the symbol of milan lol. I would rather have nesta or Gattuso or Pirlo as captain and given him vice.
Leonardo is in that picture... I'm sure he has something to do with it so he's going to play more games than that. Even if he is not, I still don't think Ambro is worthy of
's...
Ambro and Flamini at DM. Gattuso can fulfill his dream and go and play back in 17th century land with Rangers.
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2009, 11:46 AM)
Leonardo is in that picture... I'm sure he has something to do with it so he's going to play more games than that. Even if he is not, I still don't think Ambro is worthy of 's...
's...Repeat this in your head:
CAPTAIN OF MILAN THE GREAT PAOLO MALDINI! PAOLO MALDINI!!!
CAPTAIN OF MILAN THE GREAST MASSIMO AMBROSINI!!! MASSIMO AMBROSINI!!
Does that sound like its even close to the same level? To me it goes from a thundering legend to a bench player who hasn't even played a big role in any of milan accomplishments over the years.
From Paolo Maldini we could only have gone down...
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 6 2009, 06:53 PM)
Does that sound like its even close to the same level?
It depends what you mean by that. On the basis of form over recent years? It's a step up as captain.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 6 2009, 09:15 PM)
It depends what you mean by that. On the basis of form over recent years? It's a step up as captain.
Shut up!!! You only like Ambro because he's blond and... I don't know, maybe you like blond men!
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2009, 07:23 PM)
Shut up!!! You only like Ambro because he's blond and... I don't know, maybe you like blond men!
I don't like any men in that way, plus Materazzi isn't blond.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 6 2009, 09:27 PM)
I don't like any men in that way, plus Materazzi isn't blond.
Poulsen and Mellberg are. Plus, Juan Pablo Angel has a blond cousin!
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 PM)
Poulsen and Mellberg are. Plus, Juan Pablo Angel has a blond cousin!
Juan Pablo Angel is from South America, I highly doubt he has a blond cousin.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 6 2009, 09:32 PM)
Juan Pablo Angel is from South America, I highly doubt he has a blond cousin.
... yeah you'd knew about it.
Massimo is worthy of captaincy, I just hope he lasts long in football to carry a trophy as captain of Milan
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 6 2009, 06:32 PM)
Come on. Why?
Because he's not captain material, he's only in that picture because he rangled his way into Milan a few months before any of the other worthy players did.
Ambro never was and never will be captain material and I'll never see him as a true captain. I just think this whole seniority system is BS.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 6 2009, 06:41 PM)
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 6 2009, 06:50 PM)
Ambro and Flamini at DM. Gattuso can fulfill his dream and go and play back in 17th century land with Rangers.
Haha! You're so funny. But we all know that when Rino is fit we'll be playing with Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso in the midfield.
So chances are that the co-captian will be wearing that arm band more then the actual captain will be.
So whats going on? Did we give him a new contract? His demands are obviously high as he wants to get paid as much as gattuso and everyone else but is he worth it? Personally I think hes good at where he is because he probably isn't going to play all that much anyways with abate and flamini and gattuso and seedorf fighting for that spot.
If we don't give him a new contract then he's gone in June.
If we don't give him a new contract then he's gone in June.
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Moreno Roggi, agent of Milan midfielder Massimo Ambrosini, confirmed that his client is very close to renewing his current deal with the club, extending his stay at the 2007 Champions League winners.
Ambrosini has no intention of changing teams as his wish is to stay with the Rossoneri for as long as possible, according to Roggi.
There was speculation that he might leave the club this summer as he is entering the last year of his current contract with Milan.
"We are very confident with regard to the contract renewal," declared the player's agent to Odeon TV.
"My client's desire is that of remaining at Milan."
The 32-year-old player has become an important element of the Rossoneri's midfield over the years. He has been at the club since 1995, bar a season on loan with Vicenza in 1997/98.
In total he has played 254 league games for Milan, scoring 26 goals; last season finished fifth top scorer for the club, and top scorer from midfield.
goal.com
Ambrosini has no intention of changing teams as his wish is to stay with the Rossoneri for as long as possible, according to Roggi.
There was speculation that he might leave the club this summer as he is entering the last year of his current contract with Milan.
"We are very confident with regard to the contract renewal," declared the player's agent to Odeon TV.
"My client's desire is that of remaining at Milan."
The 32-year-old player has become an important element of the Rossoneri's midfield over the years. He has been at the club since 1995, bar a season on loan with Vicenza in 1997/98.
In total he has played 254 league games for Milan, scoring 26 goals; last season finished fifth top scorer for the club, and top scorer from midfield.
goal.com
Last contract talk was june 23! I wonder if this really may be the last year for ambro
I've said it before and I'll spam it again: Ambro for captain.
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 20 2009, 10:12 PM)
I've said it before and I'll spam it again: Ambro for captain.
meh he already got it by default.
Too bad he'll most probably have to sit out most of the time as there are far better players then him that can play in his position...
To me making Ambro captain just continues to solidfy the idea I have now of the club, we've turned into a joke, choosing a player who inreality is not that good and won't be starting in most of the matches to be captain just because he's our most senior player is ridiculous. A captain should be chosen on more then just how long he's been at a club
How much of a role this season will he play? That's a slightly rhetorical question...
i honestly don't think he will be benched i think he will play ahead of flamini (thats not what i want) but i our board wants it and they will get it plus at least he scorers important goals
QUOTE (nuh @ Aug 20 2009, 10:47 PM)
i honestly don't think he will be benched i think he will play ahead of flamini (thats not what i want) but i our board wants it and they will get it plus at least he scorers important goals
Yeah scores a goal every 15 matches and for this we're willing to sacrifice our entire game on him. And why would the management want him to be played? Its not like he's a flashy player that gets the crowds in, plus they pay Flamini more so why would they want Leo to bench Flamini in order to play Ambro?
I think Ambro will be lucky if he sees minimum 20% of next season's match. We cannot afford to bench either Flamini or Rino who are by far better players them Ambro just because he's captain so he has to play. Rino will wear the armband more then him next season, I'm 100% sure of that.
Also you're forgetting the fact that plus Flamini and Rino there's Abate and Seeforf, and once Seedorf is fit I can see him challenging Flamini for that spot
i know this has nothing got to do with all this but look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS6KYZeFFwM
Ambro > Flamini > Gattuso.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2009, 08:27 PM)
Ambro > Flamini > Gattuso.
Kurt surprises me yet again...
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2009, 06:27 PM)
Ambro > Flamini > Gattuso.
your joking right?
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 21 2009, 05:44 AM)
your joking right?
Good defensive skills, god in the air, decent passer, scores goals > good defensive skills, good engine > good engine, okay defensive skills.
Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 21 2009, 10:29 AM)
Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.
No comment.
^^^ I think he's right in the first part:
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Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.
Example of good Ambrosini forward pass: the assist to Gilardino for the third goal in the Milan-Manchester semifinal in 2007. (Ambro was Gazzetta's MOTM for that game. I can dig out the player ratings, which I've got somewhere in a box, if people are interested.)
^^
That's why I said I agreed with only the first part of what dst said. I know he was exaggerating but still a fact is a fact.
That's why I said I agreed with only the first part of what dst said. I know he was exaggerating but still a fact is a fact.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 21 2009, 12:27 AM)
Ambro > Flamini > Gattuso.
Only you would think this.
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