gal_kenny
Apr 19 2009, 09:29 PM
Guys why we arguing for who'll be next year's captain...Its Carlo that'll decide who'll be next yr's captain!!!
aLbErTo
Apr 19 2009, 09:35 PM
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 19 2009, 08:31 PM)

Sorry but i think you're missing the point. You would rather have a 32yo who has been constantly injured throughout his career, lacks technical ability, is a liability whenever he tries to tackle and hasn't been a first team regular over the third best player in the world! We need to be ruthless in our clearup and if that means goodbye to ambro then so be it. If he is to stay then it should be to warm the bench. That is the only way we are going to progress.
btw, the first and second best player in the world aren't captains in their clubs either...and you have to much against ambro, i would understand your concerns about a certain group of player who we all dislike, but i think there's not much people on your side on these one...he's not our problem, all other players know he's our 2nd captain, and gattuso is 3th, so when they are playing there is no chance kaka is gonna to be captain, it's not cause he doesn't deserve it, that's just the way it is...
AMBROSINI
QUOTE
Season Team League
1992/93 Cesena B -
1993/94 Cesena B -
1994/95 Cesena B 25
1995/96 Milan A 7
1996/97 Milan A 11
1997/98 Vicenza A 27
1998/99 Milan A 26
1999/00 Milan A 29
2000/01 Milan A 16
2001/02 Milan A 9
2002/03 Milan A 21
2003/04 Milan A 20
2004/05 Milan A 22
2005/06 Milan A 13
2006/07 Milan A 19
2007/08 Milan A 33
GATTUSO
QUOTE
Season Team League
1994/95 Perugia B -
1995/96 Perugia B 2
1996/97 Perugia A 8
1997/98 Glasgow R. 36
1998/99 Glasgow R. 4
1998 SalernitanaA 25
1999/00 Milan A 22
2000/01 Milan A 24
2001/02 Milan A 32
2002/03 Milan A 25
2003/04 Milan A 33
2004/05 Milan A 32
2005/06 Milan A 35
2006/07 Milan A 30
2007/08 Milan A 31
KAKA
QUOTE
League Team League
2001 San Paolo A 27
2002 San Paolo A 22
2003 San Paolo A 10
2003/04 Milan A 30
2004/05 Milan A 36
2005/06 Milan A 35
2006/07 Milan A 31
2007/08 Milan A 30
are those charts enough big factor for you to think straight or is that just too much for you...cause then, i dont know why today maldini was captain, and not kaka, after all he has scored more goals then maldini, and win more fifa and uefa prizes...
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 09:40 PM
QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 19 2009, 09:35 PM)

btw, the first and second best player in the world aren't captains in their clubs either...and you have to much against ambro, i would understand your concerns about a certain group of player who we all dislike, but i think there's not much people on your side on these one...he's not our problem, all other players know he's our 2nd captain, and gattuso is 3th, so when they are playing there is no chance kaka is gonna to be captain, it's not cause he doesn't deserve it, that's just the way it is...
AMBROSINI
GATTUSO
KAKA
are those charts enough big factor for you to think straight or is that just too much for you...cause then, i dont know why today maldini was captain, and not kaka, after all he has scored more goals then maldini, and win more fifa and uefa prizes...
Lol lol and lol are you implying that Ambro and Rino are on the same level as Maldini
Dear Lord

And IIRC isn't Ronaldo captain of Portugal? Not sure about Messi but as he's only 21 or 22 he has time on his side

Edit: And according to you stats Ambro has played 208 times in 10 years = 20.8 games per season, Rino 264 times in 9 years = 29.3 games per season while Ricky has played 162 times in 5 years = 32.4 games per season so Ricky has statistically played more than the pair of them!
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 09:41 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 19 2009, 09:29 PM)

Guys why we arguing for who'll be next year's captain...Its Carlo that'll decide who'll be next yr's captain!!!
We're debating who we think deserves the armband. And carlo might not be here next year
aLbErTo
Apr 19 2009, 09:43 PM
you see, you're not gettin what i'm saying...of course i'm implying ambro and rino are on the same level as maldini, not for their playing skills but for their existence at the club that puts them in front of other for captaincy...
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 09:53 PM
QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 19 2009, 09:43 PM)

you see, you're not gettin what i'm saying...of course i'm implying ambro and rino are on the same level as maldini, not for their playing skills but for their existence at the club that puts them in front of other for captaincy...
The time at club shouldn't even come into the equation, it is what is done on and off the pitch which counts IMO. Ricky is the perfect ambassador for the club, he carries himself excellently on and off the pitch and should rightly be offered the armband next year and for years to come.
aLbErTo
Apr 19 2009, 09:57 PM
that's all true...but the fact is that gattuso and ambro are maldini's replacements for years now and you just can't take the armband from them...i don't know, it just wouldn't be right in my opinion
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 10:04 PM
QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 19 2009, 09:57 PM)

that's all true...but the fact is that gattuso and ambro are maldini's replacements for years now and you just can't take the armband from them...i don't know, it just wouldn't be right in my opinion
Personally speaking, I don't think we need both of them what we need in midfield is, like Ricky says, a Gerrard type midfielder - someone who can tackle, pass and play the ball. Rino hasn't played this season and I don't think we've missed him and Ambro is good enough for the subs bench.
Tennie
Apr 19 2009, 10:19 PM
Going to respectfully disagree with you on this, iross. Milan has never given the armband to whoever happens to be playing best unless that person ALSO has seniority. None of the Dutch trio were ever captain and two of them won the Ballon d'Or. Shevchenko was never captain. I personally think that going by the seniority principle is one of the things that makes Milan unique (and yes, I know other teams don't do it that way) and I'd like to keep it that way.
Going to also go out on a limb and disagree in part with the way Kaka conducts himself off the pitch. I don't like some of the comments he makes in the interviews he gives; if he has a problem with something at Milan (whether it be the medical staff, the transfer policy, the color of the dressing room, etc), I think it should be kept in house and not aired in public.
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 10:50 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 19 2009, 10:19 PM)

Going to respectfully disagree with you on this, iross. Milan has never given the armband to whoever happens to be playing best unless that person ALSO has seniority. None of the Dutch trio were ever captain and two of them won the Ballon d'Or. Shevchenko was never captain. I personally think that going by the seniority principle is one of the things that makes Milan unique (and yes, I know other teams don't do it that way) and I'd like to keep it that way.
Going to also go out on a limb and disagree in part with the way Kaka conducts himself off the pitch. I don't like some of the comments he makes in the interviews he gives; if he has a problem with something at Milan (whether it be the medical staff, the transfer policy, the color of the dressing room, etc), I think it should be kept in house and not aired in public.
I agree that none of the Dutch were made captain, but IIRC we had Baresi as captain then and again Ambro is no Baresi. This is the time for a new era, a time to start again, this team is now too old to compete at the highest level and needs replacing. This should start by giving Ricky captaincy and getting young quality players in, that way we can start a new era.
As for Ricky saying things out of place, apart from the 'I've recuperated(sp?) quicker with brazil than Milan' I can't think of much else he has said. Thing is though it wasn't long ago that we were all shouting off about how great Milanlab was and how quick players recovered after using it, yet look at our injury list now? Something's definitely not right. He has also spoken of his desire to be captain of Milan and to lead us to more silverware and he has always said that he wants to stay at Milan as long as possible, to me that is what I want to hear
Tennie
Apr 19 2009, 11:24 PM
We actually agree about a fair bit in principle: the club needs refreshing - new quality players, preferably young. For this all round midfielder, I'd poach Cigarini from Atalanta (or one of the two kids from Juve who play in midfield if they'd be stupid enough let them go). Simon Kjaer looked good today for Palermo and he's just 19. Darmian did reasonably well in his run out today, etc etc etc.
The only real thing that we seem to disagree on is who should be captain after Maldini. And that's perhaps as it should be; this place would be dull if everyone agreed about everything.
I_Rossoneri
Apr 19 2009, 11:35 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 19 2009, 11:24 PM)

We actually agree about a fair bit in principle: the club needs refreshing - new quality players, preferably young. For this all round midfielder, I'd poach Cigarini from Atalanta (or one of the two kids from Juve who play in midfield if they'd be stupid enough let them go). Simon Kjaer looked good today for Palermo and he's just 19. Darmian did reasonably well in his run out today, etc etc etc.
The only real thing that we seem to disagree on is who should be captain after Maldini.
And that's perhaps as it should be; this place would be dull if everyone agreed about everything. 
You hit the nail on the head there
aLbErTo
Apr 20 2009, 07:34 AM
in case we do refresh our squad with lot's of young bloud, we'd still need someone with lot's of experience to be their captain...you have to understand that as long Ancelotti is our coach, we'll play the same style, with the same certain players, so midfiled is kind of reserved already for the next year... gattuso-pirlo-ambrosini, i'm sure this part ain't goning to change, and it doesn't really have to, our problems last 2-3 seasons were defence & attack, which i belive this summer is goning to change, at least defence...i'm sure sooner or later kaka will get armband, but we'll have to play without gattuso, ambrosini, pirlo, kaladze...that's just the policy we're running, which i like and you obviously don't
I_Rossoneri
Apr 20 2009, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (aLbErTo @ Apr 20 2009, 07:34 AM)

in case we do refresh our squad with lot's of young bloud, we'd still need someone with lot's of experience to be their captain...you have to understand that as long Ancelotti is our coach, we'll play the same style, with the same certain players, so midfiled is kind of reserved already for the next year... gattuso-pirlo-ambrosini, i'm sure this part ain't goning to change, and it doesn't really have to, our problems last 2-3 seasons were defence & attack, which i belive this summer is goning to change, at least defence...i'm sure sooner or later kaka will get armband, but we'll have to play without gattuso, ambrosini, pirlo, kaladze...that's just the policy we're running, which i like and you obviously don't
if we keep the same midfield next season then we are already heading for trouble. We had that same midfield back in 2003 so that means we would have had the same midfield for 6 years! Thing is I think a lot of our problems stem from midfield. Our midfield is static now and the players play within their own comfort zone as they know carlo won't drop them - take Pirlo for example, for the Azzurri he doesn't stop running and looks a totally different player to the Pirlo who plays for us. I think part of our defence problem is down to our static midfield as well, although I do agree that we need at least one new top quality CB and possibly a fullback.
aLbErTo
Apr 20 2009, 10:12 AM
we may found a fullback in flamini...

it's cheaper that way
dst
Apr 20 2009, 12:31 PM
Flamini does not want to play there. He was set to leave Arsenal earlier than last summer for that exact reason.
aLbErTo
Apr 20 2009, 12:38 PM
well be it, but i'd rather play a fullback then be a sub...
Bluesummers
Apr 21 2009, 06:18 AM
I agree with Iross on the captain issue and here is why.
The reason I support kaka for the armband is because he is our flag and symbol for this club after Maldini. When people think of Milan they think of two players, Maldini and Kaka. Furthermore, how many games a season do you guys honestly think gattuso and Ambrosini are going to partake in? Ambro is 32 and Gattuso is 31. With Flamini and the possible addition of a new midfielder and our desire to refresh our squad with giving youth an opportunity , players like gattuso/ambro/seedorf will be mostly subs. Thats why Kaka should be given the armband because he will be playing all games he is fit for, he is a leader and a symbol of our club on the pitch. Also i'm sure that he is the most valued member in our squad after Paolo.
How liverpool have gerrard, Kaka is the same for us. That is why I think he should be given the armband. But it's not going to happen as this club's policy is 20 years old and will not be changed because of one brazillian.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 21 2009, 06:55 AM
And I think it's already clear that in Milan ,the policy is not for the best / most visible player in the team to be captain. I'm not much in favour of altering a policy that's been here for too long.
In any case this is not cricket. The captain of the team doesn't have as much to do on the field as compared to off it. And I think this is where Ambro and Rino trump Kaka. The benefit of having been in the dressing room longer an having more people respecting them. Everyone might love Kaka, but how will they take it if he has to come down hard on one of them. We don't even know if he has that kind of personality. Even Alex Pato talked about how the bloke who's closest to him is Rino, and they're always having fun pulling his leg etc.
And I think we should really stop with his club captaincy thing because...
QUOTE
Kaka insists he's happy at AC Milan.
The former World Player of the Year declared: "I said no (to Manchester City) because I want to achieve many other goals with AC Milan.
"I have received so much from this club, I just want to stay here. It's difficult to talk about your future in football, I can only refer to this. And this is a team that I like very much."
Asked about the future club captaincy, Kaka added: "Paolo Maldini, Andrea Pirlo, Massimo Ambrosini and Rino Gattuso are the most influential players and I think that Ambrosini or Gattuso will become even greater when Maldini will retire."
"But of course I'd like to have the captain's armband sometimes."
I nearly burst out laughing, it's hard to think of a bloke like Andrea Pirlo having influence, but I suppose his gravitas helps.

Anyway, why is it so important to have Kaka as captain. What difference does an armband make? MvB has never captained Milan. Do we think any less of him because of it? This is just another pointless argument-starter.
dst
Apr 21 2009, 09:24 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 21 2009, 08:55 AM)

Anyway, why is it so important to have Kaka as captain. What difference does an armband make? MvB has never captained Milan. Do we think any less of him because of it? This is just another pointless argument-starter.
I totally agree with you on this but... you're the pirate for ****s sake you should be firing things up!!!
Jack Sparrow
Apr 21 2009, 11:02 AM
I'm still glowing after my birthday....so... I'm all lovey-dovey for the week.
aLbErTo
Apr 21 2009, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 21 2009, 10:24 AM)

I totally agree with you on this but... you're the pirate for ****s sake you should be firing things up!!!
haha...firing only candles this week
Tennie
Apr 28 2009, 04:26 PM
Massimo Ambrosini married girlfriend Paola in Venice yesterday.
Congratulations to them both!
Zed.D
Apr 28 2009, 05:09 PM
You mean that hot girl he was spotted dating?
Tennie
Apr 28 2009, 06:53 PM
Yep!


They've been dating for nearly 2 years. And she's expecting little Federico in about a month.
Zed.D
Apr 28 2009, 07:22 PM
Federico Ambrosini! I like it
CrazyMilanFan
Apr 28 2009, 08:42 PM
Congratulations to ambro and his wife
Jack Sparrow
Apr 29 2009, 08:37 AM
Blond Angel v2.
Rivaldo
Apr 29 2009, 01:05 PM
May be she is the secret of his superb form?))
Zed.D
Apr 30 2009, 03:36 PM
QUOTE (Channel4)
Mou slams Ambro
Thursday 30 April, 2009
Inter Coach Jose Mourinho believes Milan midfielder Massimo Ambrosini “lacks moral authority” after he attacked the Nerazzurri.
Yesterday Ambrosini had a Kevin Keegan moment and said he would love it if Milan win the Scudetto this season.
Ambrosini was furious Mourinho had written off Milan earlier this year when he said they would finish 2009 with no silverware.
“If I made a mistake and Milan arrive at the end of the championship with a title, I will say 'sorry',” Mourinho quipped.
“But I remember very well that Ambrosini once insulted 10 million interisti and he has never apologised for that.”
Mourinho is referring to an incident in 2007 when Ambrosini told Inter they could stuff the Scudetto where the sun doesn't shine after Milan won the Champions League that same year.
“He's a charismatic player. He's important for Milan and yet I have never seen him say sorry. It sticks in my mind when Barcelona striker Samuel Eto'o once apologised to Real Madrid fans. He was a man.
“Ambrosini lives in Milan and he has never done it,” Mourinho ranted. “He doesn't have great moral authority speaking like this.
“But if Milan win the championship - that by the way is a theoretical and practical hypothesis - then I will be the first to offer my congratulations to my opponents. I did it when I lost in England when Manchester United beat us,” Mourinho concluded.
League leaders Inter are seven points ahead of second placed Milan with five games remaining from now until the end of the season.
Not unexpected.

you don't hit out at Mou and get away with it; he always has something up his sleeve. what he says here imo is true, even though he is overreacting a bit.
Tennie
Apr 30 2009, 04:07 PM
Actually no it isn't true. Ambro published a written apology on acmilan.com. Jose's lying through his teeth on this one. It never fails to amaze me why people admire someone who feels the need to insult and deride others to make themselves feel good.
EDIT:
http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4965Discussion here of the event at the time.
Jack Sparrow
Apr 30 2009, 04:49 PM
That's true. Ambro did apologise. Jose is falling into the trap of twisting facts the way he sees it. In fact, what Ambro says wasn't remotely as 'confrontational' as what Silvio said. Silvio was basically accusing Inter of being cheats, while Ambro just said he would love to prove Jose wrong.
Forget it...I hope we tell Ambro to be quiet, and maintain a united front of 'We've got no chance to win!' thingie. Besides being really cool, it also has the benefit of taking pressure off the players while making Inter look stupid if we do win. I really wish Kaka and Ambro hadn't broken this protocol. Why does Kaka always say the wrong thing in the Brazillian press!!
kurtsimonw
Apr 30 2009, 05:35 PM
I love Ambro, but he's in the wrong here.
"Ambrosini was furious Mourinho had written off Milan earlier this year when he said they would finish 2009 with no silverware."
Jose is well within his right to say this, just as we are to say they will finish with no silverware. But at the moment, Jose is right, so why should he apologise? He's done nothing wrong, he's made a prediction which will come true within the next few weeks. You've started a war you can't win Ambro, great timing as well, give him more incentive to finish the season off properly.
Tennie
Apr 30 2009, 06:00 PM
QUOTE
But I remember very well that Ambrosini once insulted 10 million interisti and he has never apologised for that
The above quoted comment from Mourinho is a LIE. It's wrong and he's in the wrong for saying it. Full stop.
Tennie
Apr 30 2009, 06:15 PM
from the ticker on acmilan.com's italian page:
QUOTE
Sono stupito e amareggiato di come l'uomo Mourinho, solitamente preciso nella comunicazione verbale, abbia potuto con così tanta superficialità commentare le mie dichiarazioni di ieri, che nei toni e nei contenuti non volevano in nessun modo essere polemiche nè provocatorie e non accetto assolutamente da parte dello stesso uomo lezioni di moralità quando, due giorni dopo l'episodio dello striscione, chiesi scusa ai calciatori e ai tifosi interisti. Dimostrando quei valori morali che lui, con poca attenzione e scarsa conoscenza dei fatti, mette in dubbio.
Massimo Ambrosini
[I am astonished and saddened that Mourinho, usually precise in his verbal communication, could have with such superficiality commented on my statements of yesterday, which in tone and content did not in any way want to be polemics or provocations and I absolutely do not accept on the part of the man lessons in morality when, two days after the episode with the banner, I apologised to the players and fans of Inter, clearly demonstrating moral valuse that he, with little attention and poor knowledge of the facts, put in doubt.
Massimo Ambrosini]
Zed.D
Apr 30 2009, 06:43 PM
I really didn't remember Ambro had apologized for the banner and I still don't. Mourinho is an unaware idiot in this case

ignore my previous post.
dst
Apr 30 2009, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 30 2009, 08:15 PM)

[I am astonished and saddened that Mourinho, usually precise in his verbal communication, could have with such superficiality commented on my statements of yesterday, which in tone and content did not in any way want to be polemics or provocations and I absolutely do not accept on the part of the man lessons in morality when, two days after the episode with the banner, I apologised to the players and fans of Inter, clearly demonstrating moral valuse that he, with little attention and poor knowledge of the facts, put in doubt.
Massimo Ambrosini]
WOW that's... I just would not respond to this!
vnata001
May 1 2009, 12:28 AM
i love it. ambro is a champ. spoken like a man truly worthy of captaincy.
Rivaldo
May 1 2009, 08:58 AM
Ambro our future Capitano! He is so confident.
Rivaldo
May 11 2009, 11:25 AM
My congratulations to Ambro!!! Tonight his son Federico was born!!
Tennie
May 11 2009, 11:37 AM
QUOTE
AMBRO: CHE BELLA NOTIZIA! CONGRATULAZIONI!
11/05/2009
MILANO - Questa mattina alle ore 1.57 è nato Federico Ambrosini in una clinica milanese: al momento della sua nascita il peso era di 2,7 kg. Tante felicitazioni alla Signora Paola Angelini e ad Ambro, da parte di tutti i Milanisti e di tutti gli appassionati di calcio.
[This morning at 1.57 Federico Ambrosini was born in a Milan clinic; he weighed 2.7 kilos at birth. Best wishes to Signora Paola and to Ambro on the part of all the Milanisti and all calcio fans.]
Apparently Ambro went straight to the hospital from the stadium.
Welcome to little Federico!
dst
May 11 2009, 12:37 PM
Congrats! I wish him a healthy life.
Fillipo Simone
May 11 2009, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 11 2009, 12:37 PM)

Congrats! I wish him a healthy life.
That's probably the most important thing in his case, so, I'll just join with the same wish!
Tennie
May 12 2009, 01:45 AM
According to his agent, Ambro's contract renewal should be formalized fairly soon.
Jack Sparrow
May 12 2009, 05:02 AM
Like, it was ever in question...what are we, Madrid?
MizNelson
Jun 21 2009, 09:02 AM
According to Calciomercato, Ambro is reportedly seeking a three-year extension that will pay him 4.5 million (!) a season.
http://vivoperlei.calciomercato.com/index....&ft_id=6743
dst
Jun 21 2009, 11:00 AM
4.5m!?!? That's too much. He's got to accept to stay for less.
Jack Sparrow
Jun 21 2009, 11:19 AM
^^
While I'm sure that figure is just bandied about...I'm curious. So if he doesn't agree to sign up for substantially less than 4.5 we're gonna sell him?
I think he can play for around 70 a week.
han2503
Jun 21 2009, 11:55 AM
I say offload him to Napoli and try to get Hamsik in the deal.
Whatever people think he's no Milan legend, far from it. And for him to ask for that kind of money at this point in his carreer when he knows what the club has gone through is beyond ridiculous and appaling.
He's not worth even half that ammount. He's not good enough, never was. And I'm personally hoping that by next season he'll either be wearing some other club's shirt or warming the bench.
MizNelson
Jun 21 2009, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 21 2009, 03:19 AM)

While I'm sure that figure is just bandied about
And I thought I was the only one who ever used that expression.
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