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kurtsimonw
It's going to look silly not having a sponsor on our shirt. huh.gif

Glad to see people are being optimistic though. We may not have the best Milan side in history. But neither do Bayern, Willy Sagnol will be missed alot.

FORZA MILAN!
KillerMax
QUOTE (mishale @ Apr 5 2007, 01:08 PM)
C'mon it's football. Anything can happen: red card, penalty , ricochet goal, Milan giving their best game this season...
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If you wanna look at it that way... A plane crash on the way to Munich caused by a bolt of lightning could happen as well...
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Apr 5 2007, 09:37 PM)
If you wanna look at it that way... A plane crash on the way to Munich caused by a bolt of lightning could happen as well...
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There's always the chance I get given the European Cup for being me, too.
Portman
The good news:

No mather the result we'll get in Munchen... we'll still be the #1 in UEFA ranking for the next year draw (I hope we'll be in CL draw tongue.gif ).
Barcelona and Inter are out. The only 2 that could do something.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/d.../trank2007.html

The bad news:

We better do something big, next year in the CL as we're basically out this season.
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Apr 6 2007, 12:37 AM)
If you wanna look at it that way... A plane crash on the way to Munich caused by a bolt of lightning could happen as well...
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You are talking like we some small team coming there without any chance. They aren't that big and we aren't that weak.

Nobody gave a chance to Deportivo too...
redbabies
QUOTE (mishale @ Apr 5 2007, 08:02 PM)
Give me the players that we had back then and I will be optimistic too. Although we still have a chance on Wednesday too
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we are not that weak.
trust me!

I think we are missing luck this season. And if the next match proves to be the changing point, than we are in semi's.
Portman
QUOTE (redbabies @ Apr 6 2007, 12:07 AM)
we are not that weak.
trust me!

I think we are missing luck this season. And if the next match proves to be the changing point, than we are in semi's.
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If we made to the semis, I promise I'll ask m1ke to change my username to "Porty". cool.gif

PS: Go van Bommel go! tongue.gif wink.gif
Rossoneri7
I too am pessimistic about us winning in Germany, but mishas' got a point we can go through as it is football rolleyes.gif

Still, highly unlikely
misha
QUOTE (Portugal @ Apr 6 2007, 02:20 AM)
If we made to the semis, I promise I'll ask m1ke to change my username to "Porty".  cool.gif 
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What a sacrifice biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 6 2007, 02:20 AM)
I too am pessimistic about us winning in Germany, but mishas' got a point we can go through as it is football  rolleyes.gif

Still, highly unlikely
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Usually you are the one who are optimistic over here wink.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Apr 6 2007, 02:29 AM)
Usually you are the one who are optimistic over here wink.gif
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What can I say .. I was shocked at the game on tuesday, that left me shcked even today. I still cant believe we lost
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 6 2007, 02:30 AM)
What can I say .. I was shocked at the game on tuesday, that left me shcked even today. I still cant believe we lost
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Yes, the draw felt like a loss but we can do that to them too. They are not that good this season
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Apr 6 2007, 12:26 AM)
What a sacrifice biggrin.gif
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Well... I consider "Porty" a bit gay. But maybe it's just me. wink.gif
whoarethepatriots
3-3 anyone...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portugal @ Apr 6 2007, 02:54 AM)
Well... I consider "Porty" a bit gay. But maybe it's just me.  wink.gif
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It is rolleyes.gif
tom_valtellina
If I was a betting man I wouldn't be putting money on us getting through.....but don't forget that it was only a DRAW in the first leg (even though it felt like a loss) and a 0-1 will get us through. Anyone who says that is impossible hasn't been watching football for very long.

If both teams play like they did in the first leg, we have a real chance to go through. We had some great chances to score but were denied by some lucky/unbelievable saves (Gila's and Ambro's headers), a very tight offside decision (Gila's disallowed goal) and some bad finishing (Kaka's miss in the second half). The ony saves I can remember Dida making were from long range shots by Ottl and Schweinsteiger. We will DEFINITELY need to defend better than we did if we are to have any chance.

I think alot of it will come down to the 'roar factor' at the Allianz, and whether the crowd have a big impact on the players. If the crowd become the 12th man and Bayern really lift their performance from the first leg then it will be hard for us.

But if we can improve our defending (which was pretty good apart from the two clangers which led to the goals) and create the same type of chances, then by no means is it completely beyond us to get through.

Again, Bayern are definitely favourites, but don't give up on Milan yet.

Vincerai! Non ti lasceremo mai!
Fillipo Simone
If I`m not wrong, Bayern have their Bundesliga problems exactly at the Allianz Arena. But then again, we can`t expect them to play at home like they did against BVB.

But the first match result worries me. 2-2 is like a loss. They will be even stronger with van Bommel and Kahn back. And our defence is...well, let me comment one thing: I do criticize many players like Oddo and Gila all the time, and once more against Bayern they showed me my opinion of them isn`t that wrong, but after that game I felt that someone else had to be blamed - Carlo. His subs...I never did attack him for his subs...but...why didn`t he changed the old Maldini put? Why did he put Gourcuff 5 minutes before the end in? Gourcuff is green and should be brought eventually in for the last 15 minutes. But the last 5 minutes? Man, in that time, we need only a routinee, even Costacurta would be better.

I don`t know what to say more,...except that we will have to score 2 goals in München cause our defence has no chance to end up the match with a clean sheet. And who is gonna take the goals? Kaka? That would be too much to except from him...Pippo and Oli? I`m really not sure. Maybe Serginho will be fit?
dst
Kahn is back so we should shout whenever we get the chance. Even from our own half! For every 4 shots on target, a goal will come!! biggrin.gif
redbabies
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 6 2007, 12:56 PM)
I don`t know what to say more,...except that we will have to score 2 goals in München cause our defence has no chance to end up the match with a clean sheet. And who is gonna take the goals? Kaka? That would be too much to except from him...Pippo and Oli? I`m really not sure. Maybe Serginho will be fit?
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actually he is my only hope, BUT if we want to see the best of him, we must play with 2 strikers + Kaka. With this strategy he will find more spaces in their defence, otherwise if we still countinue playing with 1 striker that would kill us.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (redbabies @ Apr 6 2007, 01:32 PM)
actually he is my only hope, BUT if we want to see the best of him, we must play with 2 strikers + Kaka. With this strategy he will find more spaces in their defence, otherwise if we still countinue playing with 1 striker that would kill us.
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Thats not possible...only Oli and Pippo are avaible.
Jack Sparrow
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Kahn is back so we should shout whenever we get the chance. Even from our own half! For every 4 shots on target, a goal will come!!


You mean for every four shouts(?) on target a goal will come. What do you suggest, we remove the entire first team and put in the tifosi. They'll shout alright!!! tongue.gif
han2503
Porto, you know I'm going to pm mike and tell him to change it to that if we do go through don't you?

Lucky for you the possibility is a really low one, so you won't have to worry about having a gay user name wink.gif
Jack Sparrow
mad.gif

Bluesummers named him Porty I think. I just started calling him that. And why do you think it's gay??!!! You blokes are all homophobic! tongue.gif


I really can't see us going through. Last seaso maybe. But this season, there has been nothing to convince me we can do this. We've had to 'fight back' against teams we would have steam-rollered earlier, and we've lost to teams we would have severely mauled.

It's possible on paper...but paper's just that.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 6 2007, 12:43 PM)
I really can't see us going through. Last seaso maybe. But this season, there has been nothing to convince me we can do this. We've had to 'fight back' against teams we would have steam-rollered earlier, and we've lost to teams we would have severely mauled.

It's possible on paper...but paper's just that.
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Very true.
Jack Sparrow
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Very true


Welcome...to the Jack Sparrow fan club. You are member #2. Sorry but I beat you to numero uno position.

That is it!!! I really have had too much caffeine.
mishie
i'm still devastated by tuesday's game but i don't know why but i've got a feeling about this and i reckon 1-2 with pippo and kaka as our scorers!!
and yes porty does sound gay (sorry)
Jack Sparrow
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and yes porty does sound gay (sorry)



Sigh...the whole world is against me!!!

mad.gif THIS IS SPAAARTAAAAAAAAA!!!mad.gif

oo..errrr sorry wrong dialogue!!

BRING IT ON B!!!!!!!TCHEEEESSSSSSS
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 6 2007, 06:43 PM)
mad.gif

Bluesummers named him Porty I think. I just started calling him that. And why do you think it's gay??!!! You blokes are all homophobic! tongue.gif
I really can't see us going through. Last seaso maybe. But this season, there has been nothing to convince me we can do this. We've had to 'fight back' against teams we would have steam-rollered earlier, and we've lost to teams we would have severely mauled.

It's possible on paper...but paper's just that.
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Very true Jack. I myself have already prepared myself for being knocked out so I won't be as disappointed.

Last Tuesday's game was devastating, especially after probably playing our best game in months and still coming out wih the short end of the stick.

Van Buyten's goal was probably the nail in the coffin for our CL campaign.

I mean when BAYERN, of all teams, somehow get lucky against us, MILAN, TWICE over the course of one game, then you know that this is just not our season
HasanHasanly
All this reminds me of something i think Gary Lineker once said: "Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win." biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Apr 7 2007, 02:10 PM)
All this reminds me of something i think Gary Lineker once said: "Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win." biggrin.gif
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Yes but Bayern was always our b!tch before cool.gif
Fillipo Simone
Well, I really must say that no option is sure or even realistic. If you look at Milan, on paper or not, they can beat Bayern. But the same works if you make an inversion. And that`s the thing with big teams that play not that big. The situation at FCB is very similar to ours, they have sever problems and not every position in the team is filled up probperly. Who scored against Real besides Maakay? Van Bommel who turned over night into a Ballack replacement...and Lucio! Against us..still - Lucio. Schwein is underpreforming, just like Lahm and Poldi do. So why couldn`t we beat them with our own "fake Sheva replacement" Oliveira? It goes to our advantage that Salihamidžić is suspended and not avaible - the only real countable creative force for FCB at this moment.

Our team should be formed this time more like a crafty-cohesive force, a team with strenght. Cause that`s what we`v showed at San Siro - that we have a advantage in the mid. I would really give Maldini the bench this time cause we need a faster and much less exhausted CB. You allways can count on that Lyon effect from last year, when Maldini entered the game from the bench. But starting with him means that we will eventually have to substitute him (or maybe Carlo is insane, cause, letting Maldini play 90 mins is one of the reasons we "lost" the first match). And that sub would be rather a minus and a psychological deficite than any advantage...

I`m very interested what the news are about Serginho? Can he play for real at München? unsure.gif
Rossoneri7
What do u mean bench Maldini !!!!! ohmy.gif

No, Maldini should be the first player to be on the pitch.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 7 2007, 01:59 PM)
What do u mean bench Maldini !!!!! ohmy.gif

No, Maldini should be the first player to be on the pitch.
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And why? So that Carlo has to make a sub lets say in th 75th minute where it could be easily a "be-or-not-be" position for us? Or do you think Maldini can hold up all 90 minutes? I don`t...I`ve seen all what I needed at San Siro.

The only way to win against FCB is to play a stormy and powerfull match. And for that we need strenght and freshness. Maldini should be on the bench, and enter the game afterwards...
HasanHasanly
Paolo has to be on, because EXPERIENCE and PROFESSIONALISM is what we need in defence for such a game.
jefri91
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Apr 5 2007, 06:55 PM)
Are you serious? I'll take you on if you are!
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* Takes out 100$ * devilsmiley.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 7 2007, 05:08 PM)
And why? So that Carlo has to make a sub lets say in th 75th minute where it could be easily a "be-or-not-be" position for us? Or do you think Maldini can hold up all 90 minutes? I don`t...I`ve seen all what I needed at San Siro.

The only way to win against FCB is to play a stormy and powerfull match. And for that we need strenght and freshness. Maldini should be on the bench, and enter the game afterwards...
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Excuse me, but are u high on crack or something ?! unsure.gif

Paolo Maldini is the first player on the pitch and the last off as far as I am concerned. You know why ?? Cuz not even Silvio Berlusconi take him off ! This team is Paolo's team and if he doesn't feel fit to play, he will say it and he will choose not to go on the field.

p.s. no offence, but this is Milan 101, Paolo is the only one who decides if he wants to play and not, and no one else. If the doctors clear him, he will play 90 minutes. I can bet u money on that.
jefri91
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 7 2007, 08:48 PM)
Excuse me, but are u high on crack or something ?! unsure.gif

Paolo Maldini is the first player on the pitch and the last off as far as I am concerned. You know why ?? Cuz not even Silvio Berlusconi take him off ! This team is Paolo's team and if he doesn't feel fit to play, he will say it and he will choose not to go on the field.

p.s. no offence, but this is Milan 101, Paolo is the only one who decides if he wants to play and not, and no one else. If the doctors clear him, he will play 90 minutes. I can bet u money on that.
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devil.gif FORZA ROSSONERI 7 !!! devil.gif
han2503
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Ancelotti rides Empoli wave

Carlo Ancelotti hopes that the victory over Empoli can boost Milan’s morale for the “very difficult” clash with Bayern Munich.

“We started well and passed the ball around quickly, so the strikers were supported by some good build-up play,” he noted after the 3-1 win at San Siro.

Ronaldo opened the scoring and set up Alberto Gilardino’s goal before Giuseppe Favalli sealed the scoreline. Luca Saudati netted for the visitors.

“If he has space, Ronaldo can disturb any defence. If he has another striker to focus on like Gilardino, then he links in with the overall play even more.”

Yoann Gourcuff was given a rare start in midfield, as Clarence Seedorf is dealing with a slight injury.

“He is a lad Milan are counting on, because he has enormous potential. He has found his own role here and will continue to increase his influence.

“He has to speed up a little in passing the ball, but he has a lot of confidence with the ball at his feet and it’s tough to get it off him. He loves the ball a little too much, a bit like Zinedine Zidane.”

Ancelotti was expected to also rest Andrea Pirlo and Gennaro Gattuso for Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final, but instead they played the whole 90 minutes.

“They are in great shape and also did well against Bayern this week, which is why I wanted them here for this important match.”

The win over Empoli sees the Rossoneri move to fifth place – just one point off Palermo who have played an extra game – but the focus now moves to Munich.

“Bayern are an excellent side and we have a tough task ahead of us,” said Ancelotti after the 2-2 first leg draw at San Siro.

“Our objective is to play the way we did in that first game. If we do, then we have a good chance of reaching the semi-finals.”

However, Ronaldo is cup-tied and Gilardino suspended, so Pippo Inzaghi and Ricardo Oliveira are the only available options upfront.

“Inzaghi is not in good shape, but he will do everything he can to be at his best. This is a player who can be a crucial weapon for us.”


I think that seals our faith for us in this season's CL sad.gif
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 8 2007, 12:14 AM)
I think that seals our faith for us in this season's CL  sad.gif
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I'm optimistic. Even with no actual forwards, Kaka will play upfront. I believe we can win in Munich!!

Just go bow before your Milan shirt and kiss the badge and your attitude will change. It works for me... biggrin.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 7 2007, 10:24 PM)
I'm optimistic. Even with no actual forwards, Kaka will play upfront. I believe we can win in Munich!!

Just go bow before your Milan shirt and kiss the badge and your attitude will change. It works for me...  biggrin.gif
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I'll try it.

But I had a real sinking fealing that Van Buyten's equaliser on Tuesday was the end for us in the CL.
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 8 2007, 12:26 AM)
I'll try it.

But I had a real sinking fealing that Van Buyten's equaliser on Tuesday was the end for us in the CL.
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Just shut up and go for it! mad.gif

smile.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 7 2007, 10:31 PM)
Just shut up and go for it!  mad.gif

smile.gif
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Ok
m1ke
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 7 2007, 10:26 PM)
But I had a real sinking fealing that Van Buyten's equaliser on Tuesday was the end for us in the CL.
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Exactly how I felt.

But, we're Milan (such a cliche, but it's true!). On our day we can beat anyone in the world, and we've got a great chance in Munich of going to the semi's. All it's going to take is a Kaka run or a Pirlo FK, and we just need to hope our defence holds up.

To be honest I don't really think Milan belong in the semi's this year - we're not playing our best football and we need to address a number of issues in the team. But we can only beat what's put infront of us, and I think we're going to beat Bayern on Wednesday night, simply because we have to. All I want is for every Milan player to give 110% for 90 minutes - if they do that, we're going to win.

bigmacmtl
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 4 2007, 08:02 AM)
I like their way of thinking! It helps us...

What I want is the team to show it's character. Even if we're down by two all we want is two goals to take this to over-time... even if at OT we will be exhausted!
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you see it's a mind game. just cuz he said that doesnt mean that what they're actually thinking. in the end what milan must do is attack and put bayern under pressure regardless of what sorta stratgey they adopt.
dst
QUOTE (m1ke @ Apr 8 2007, 02:51 AM)
All I want is for every Milan player to give 110% for 90 minutes - if they do that, we're going to win.
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That would be the best gift for us fans! Even if they don't manage to win in Munich watching them giving their all would be satisfactory! smile.gif

QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Apr 8 2007, 04:48 AM)
you see it's a mind game. just cuz he said that doesnt mean that what they're actually thinking. in the end what milan must do is attack and put bayern under pressure regardless of what sorta stratgey they adopt.
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you're right!
Bluesummers
I'm confident were gonna win against bayern with ease. They may be a strong side but creating no real opportunities in the first leg is quite pitiful by the great over hyped bayern. Both of their goals came from 2 lucky shots from a very very very very lucky defender. Gilardino is a big loss to and i just hope to god that inzaghi and oli can contemplate for that loss. Oli i dont think has the skill to cut it as a CF. Inzaghi has been terrible all season and we would need a miracle in him to come alive in order to score. I really want ambro on the pitch during this game. His heading is dangerous and can win us games. I've bet 50$ on this game that milan will win and i'm very confident about it.

Here is my line up if i was in carlo's shoes:
------ Dida
Oddo --- Nesta ---- Maldini -- janku

Gattuso---pirlo---ambro----gourcuff(seedorf)

------------ kaka--
Inzaghi(oli)-can't choose


and yes han and porto, you can start the criticism.
dst
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That would be line-up too. With Gourcuff (Yeah han I know, we need Seedorf's experience for these games but you know what? I'd rather we lose and I get to see Milan run again than watch Clarence doing his pensionary stuff! Also, it will be a gain for the future if Yoann plays) and Oli (They don't know him and there is a 0,001% chance that he may do something good. I'm pretty sure Inzaghi can't do nothing. He looks awfully weak, looks like a junkie, they will easily take him out of the picture)
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 8 2007, 08:04 AM)
I'm confident were gonna win against bayern with ease.  They may be a strong side but creating no real opportunities in the first leg is quite pitiful by the great over hyped bayern.  Both of their goals came from 2 lucky shots from a very very very very lucky defender.  Gilardino is a big loss to and i just hope to god that inzaghi and oli can contemplate for that loss.  Oli i dont think has the skill to cut it as a CF.  Inzaghi has been terrible all season and we would need a miracle in him to come alive in order to score.  I really want ambro on the pitch during this game.  His heading is dangerous and can win us games.  I've bet 50$ on this game that milan will win and i'm very confident about it.

Here is my line up if i was in carlo's shoes:
    ------            Dida
Oddo ---    Nesta  ---- Maldini  --  janku

    Gattuso---pirlo---ambro----gourcuff(seedorf)

          ------------        kaka--             
                  Inzaghi(oli)-can't choose
and yes han and porto, you can start the criticism.
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Not going to criticise. I just admire your optimism. Me, I just don't have it anymore. Just want this season to finally be over and done with so we can start a new one, with LEVEL points as everyone else and in good physical condition.

btw, how about sticking Ambrisini in as a CF. I know this might sound crazy but I think he can pull it off. None of our strikers have the physical build to put up with the 2 giants Bayern have in the center, as clumsy as they both are, their physical advantage over our striker was very evident. If you keep putting in crosses for Ambro he is bound to score and he will handle dumb and dumber much better then any of our misfiring strikers.

Also, Bayern only beat us in the physical battle, we played such a high tempo game and where pressing som much in the first leg that we eventually got tired and lost control of it in the last 15 minutes. But in the tactical and technical sense we won both battles.

But I don't think Bayern will be as bad as they were in the San Siro
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 8 2007, 01:08 PM)
^^
That would be line-up too. With Gourcuff (Yeah han I know, we need Seedorf's experience for these games but you know what? I'd rather we lose and I get to see Milan run again than watch Clarence doing his pensionary stuff! Also, it will be a gain for the future if Yoann plays) and Oli (They don't know him and there is a 0,001% chance that he may do something good. I'm pretty sure Inzaghi can't do nothing. He looks awfully weak, looks like a junkie, they will easily take him out of the picture)
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Hmmm...I`d still prefer Seedorf. Inzaghi? I belive he can do something. But you`r right he is really bad looking... sad.gif . FCB has a clumsy defense and we should make that to our advantage. Van Buyten is playing awfull, his marking is terrible. So the only picture of seeing Pippo squeezing himself through does Bayern Gorrillas in my mind makes me..

And as I said, we will have to count on Serginho...I still remember his golden days, when he scored against Bayern a couple of years back in the CL.

I saw the game FCB played against Hannover. And it worries me. They had 2 chances, and made two goals. And both where extra class goals from the beginning of the action to the very last finish. And once more, they came back from 1:0...

Also, Ottmar Hitzfeld is the main reason FCB worries me. With him they have a chance to knock us out. He`s even superior to Carlo I suppose.. unsure.gif

Well, What will be will be, sure we all can be proud that our guys, our "signoria" stands near to the CL finals... devilsmiley.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 8 2007, 12:08 PM)
^^
That would be line-up too. With Gourcuff (Yeah han I know, we need Seedorf's experience for these games but you know what? I'd rather we lose and I get to see Milan run again than watch Clarence doing his pensionary stuff! Also, it will be a gain for the future if Yoann plays) and Oli (They don't know him and there is a 0,001% chance that he may do something good. I'm pretty sure Inzaghi can't do nothing. He looks awfully weak, looks like a junkie, they will easily take him out of the picture)
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Yoann definately helps our game better then Clarence, but I just don't think he can handle the pressure. But since we're proabably out anyway then what the hell? Pl;ay Yoann, at least, as you said, this will be good to help him gain more experiance for the future.

Gila and R9 will be the ones that are sorely missed though. I think Oli can play well as a lone striker, he will probably take more markers with his movement and hopefully freeing Kaka up more.

I think Sergio could be a great asset also, if we don't score after the first half then I would bring him on in the second. In the first leg everytime Kaka managed to find space and run at their CBs they where panicing all over the place, so imagine putting in Sergio and Kaka and maybe Oli also can do something, he has pace and technique and could cause some problems.

I personally would like to see this line up

Oddo--Nesta--Maldini--Janku
-Rino--Pirlo--Ambro/Sergio-
---Kaka--Yaonn/Clarence---
----------Oli/Pippo------------
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