Let's hope so man. We got another game this Saturday, then we're back to the CL on wednesday and another game in the weekend. It's really hectic and you could see that the players where running on empty during the second half.

I still can't believe Kaka missed that penalty and the other 1 on 1 chances he got, he usually would have scored at least twice from the chances he had plus the penalty.

The tempo just dropped completely in the second half and we might lose even more points if Carlo decides to rest some players against Chievo on Saturday ahead of the CL clash, because some of the players really look waisted atm.

But we really should have tried to go for the win, as you said we didn't even look like we where trying, Carlo should have had some balls at half time to change the game and go out for the win. We needed to put on another striker and take off a DMF and put in Yoann.

The defence held up again but the wings where a mess especially the left side.

I think Carlo was spot on with his tactics ... a draw wasnt a fair result, Gila should have scored in the first half. Kaka had his chances as did R99 .. But their defence was intact and were always 2 steps ahead of us.

The x-tree helped us in releaving the pressure from our make shift defence .. But in the dying minutes, Carlo should have exchanged Seedorf with R99 ... That would have changed the out look of the game. Keep the pressure pilled on them.

In the end, we got a point out of this tie which is rather good compared when we played them at the San Siro ... Well, all eyes on our next fixture and I hope for a win

I really can't get this and you seem to repeat it every once in a while...

What the f@ck has playing with 2 forwards got to do with being a big team?? This is retarded... maybe we should play with 5 up front... that would make us the all time greatest team of the whole universe that shouldn't even bother wasting their time against the minors?? Please...

We're the only damn team in the world that plays with 3 bloody #10's!! The one and only!! Now Carletto may be dumb, I agree, I don't think he's a good coach but saying it's his fault and the fact that we played the X-tree when we created so many chances is at least like playing blind man's buff!

Kaka should have scored, period! If I should be blame someone (which is NOT necessary to do in every single match) I'd blame Kaka, no doubt!! Had he scored we wouldn't be seeing all these posts here tonight. Maybe Carlo should have taken the penalty himself!!

I think his tactics where good at the start of the game, but he really should have put on R9 in the game at least 15 minutes after half time, bringing on Oli and R9 to try and pull something in 10 minutes is insane.

I think Carlo got it right but again making his subs at least 20 minutes late.

Kaka in the end cost us this match because he really should have scored from all the chances he had (and I'm even forgetting the penalty here)

Gila didn't have any clear cut chance as far as I remember, he did hold the ball up well, but I still think that we need 2 strikers for any of our forwards to work well.

If you look at all of our games this season we have either drawn or lost all the games we started with the xmas tree or the 4-4-1-1 thing (this one is the one that I don't like the most, because it clearly doesn't work with playing central mids in the wide areas)

Good point Jack.

The thing is, Milan is a winning team and I would feel bad if we got any less, considering how many chances we squanderd ... But those chances were made by Carlo's tactics in the end ... Cuz, had we played in any formation other than the x-tree, we would have been .. ehm .. *****

Exactly!!!

I really don't see what the connection is between playing with 2 strikers or 1 to the big team, small team comparison. Imo it is irrelevant. We played our best and most effective football with the xmas tree under Carlo, and we won everything there is to win with it.

We created the chances, that's what the tactics are for, it's up to the players to finish them off, and sadly they (or rather Kaka) didn't do it.

btw, was Carletto a good Penalty taker in his time I don't remeber him taking penalties

That's why we missed Oddo and Janku so much today...

Yep, but the fact that Carlo didn't try to win the match is what bothers me. Lately we've been looking like it's ok to settle for the draw as long as we don't lose.

It would have been nice to see us go for the win. Mainly put on another striker in support of Gila in time, not 10 minutes before the end of the match, because then it's too late. We're not asking Carlo to do a Rijkaard and take off all the teams stability and put on every forward you have, but just to have some balls to put on another striker when Palermo never looked like scoring and trying to go for it, especially when we're fighting for the 4th place and knowing that if we don't win we'll fall of the pace again, because that is what's happened.

Brocchi wasn't so bad but Favalli was horrible. He can't even put in a decent cross. When you play a lone forward like Gila you need to give him as much support from the wings as you can since he is much better with his head.

But in the end we did pretty well considering the crises we where having, but the match was there for us to win it and it's a shame we didn't do it.

I disagree. I'd rather lose 1 point(Not SUCH a big deal) and try to win. Then I have a 50 50 chance. In our case today, it would have been 60 40 in favor of us if Carletto took a chance... Earning 1 point is really nothing IMO when you do have the chance to earn 3.

This is what should have happened 10 minutes after the second half:

Oli in for Ambrosini

R99 for Gila

And either Grimi for Favalli or Gourcuff for Pirlo

Huge deal, trust me on this...HUUUGE DEAL!! Not to mention, the whole morale issue that's gonna happen if we lose. Sometimes, the undefeated badge helps you pull off amazing stuff sometimes. Like the 89th minute winner.

Ancelotti sticks up for Kaka

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti has praised Kaka despite the Brazilian’s costly penalty miss in today’s stalemate with Palermo.

Injury-hit Milan were forced to settle for a point at the Renzo Barbera, but could have recorded a much-needed win in the race for Champions League football had Kaka not seen a debatable early spot-kick smartly saved by Alberto Fontana.

However, the South American star put in a superb performance and received only words of encouragement from his Coach after the 0-0 draw.

“He had a first half like I hadn’t seen at Milan,” Ancelotti said. “He read the game well and created chances for us with his quality.

“Kaka always scores penalties, but today he was unfortunate. We’ll have to see, but I think he’ll continue to take them.”

The spot-kick itself was a debatable decision, as the goalkeeper seemed to make minimal contact with Alberto Gilardino.

“Was it a penalty? It doesn’t matter now, seeing as Fontana saved it,” mused Ancelotti. “I’m happy with the way we played, especially considering how many difficulties we had going into the game.”

The Rossoneri had 10 players out injured or suspended – including eight defenders – so Cristian Brocchi played as a makeshift full-back.

While the result sees Milan lose ground on both Empoli and Lazio, Carletto spoke of his satisfaction at the way his side acquitted themselves.

“I’m not delighted with the result, but it was a good performance especially in the first half when we created the chances to win the game,” he claimed.

“The second period was tougher. We gave the ball away and struggled a lot more.”

Milan’s crucial fortnight continues with the visit of Chievo this weekend, before Celtic arrive at the San Siro for the second leg of their Champions League clash next Wednesday.

What would Grimi offer us ?! What would Gourcuff offer us ?! In the dying minutes, believe it or not, it is the experienced players that make the difference.

A point in hand is a great result .. u should know that, it was ur prediction

Now playing Palermo on their ground was always difficult; I'm not saying that, look at our past results with them. Palermo, at home, rarelly loose


In the end max ... The game ended and when u think about it Milan played a good game with several chances ... We didnt have a striker with balls ( Gila ) to finish off the tie. And that is where we suffered, if we did.

Why are you blaming Gila for this? Kaka was the one with all the chances, if he had took at least one of those we wouldn't have been talking about this to begin with

Well in the end... we might qualify for the CL with that one point.

That's the Rijkaard logic you're using here. In the game against Liverpool when it was still 1-1 he subbed Motta, the only player that covered the back 4. As if the battle would end on the 90th minute... The rest is just history... The result is based on a series of games and in the end, every point counts. If we were clear and safe in 1st place or had secured a CL spot then yeah I would blame Carlo if he "sat" on the draw. Carlo would still do it in that case but blaming him now is wrong IMO...

Oh I'm not blaming Gilardino ... I'm far past that now

I stated this millions of times: I support him cuz he's a Milan player, but on the individual level, he didn't cause Palermo any trouble, except for 2 times .. But that was it

Kaka ?! He lost a penalty, but was a constant threat for the whole 90 mins

I think Gila barely got a sniff in. He was mainly holding the ball up. Kaka was to blame for the terrible finishing in this one, no one else.

When Gila missed the penalty against Torino everyone was screaming bloody murder, but now that it’s Kaka it’s ok. I think that that is terribly biased. Gila did nothing wrong today, so I can’t see why some are pointing the finger at him. It’s clear we should stay away from the xmas tree if we want to score, but looking at our defensive crises it was definitely the best option. And it’s not like we didn’t create the chances, in the end it’s bad finishing that cost us the match, nothing else

Vexatiously obvious!! There's nothing more to say.

Why is it that u r backing Gilardino ?!

Kaka is one million times better than Gilardino, if Kaka has a bad day, he'll produce a performance that is 10x better than Gilardino's good day.

On that note, Kaka isn't a striker .. He is a midfielder. And because of his quality we have an attacking unit worthy of consideration. Imagine we play without Kaka ... Gilardino would be just a shadow my friend

I am not criticising Gilardino ... I'm saying that is his limits. U think I was expecting something from him ?! No I was expecting it from Kaka, R99, hell even Gattuso .. But I would never play with fire and expect Gila to score. He scores good, but I know it would be a one-off, as it always has been

But u know what han .... The sad thing is, Gilardino is a striker ... and no goals.


Like a car without gas ... pointless. We can admire everything about the car and all, but will it take us anywhere ?

Come on han, give me a break here .. I'm not bashing him .. I'm speaking the truth and u know it

To be honest, didn't Gila score in the league in that game where Kaka was absent??

U again !!!Where's my stash

Yeah give him his stash...make him shut up

He goes on like this and he'll convert me to his anti-Gila faith. And where would that leave han?

You can't touch me!!!!!!

Why would I ?! .......... I aint that happy

You know what wer'e becoming?
One of those teams like Real Madrid or Ajax, playing below average and living on old titles.
This team needs change.
New players, we should start bringing up some real talents, instead of buying famous players who are past their peak.
Why do we keep Inzaghi anyway, and I'm starting to wonder whether Maldini and Nesta's injuries are ever going to heal.

This is getting too bad...

I’m backing him because of posts like this one. Kaka is Kaka and when you see him get all those clear cut chances he got today you expect him to score, especially when it’s a penalty. Now don’t tell me you didn’t expect him to score because he is simply a midfielder so there is no shame in him missing those chances, because we all know that that’s not the case.

Gila is a poacher, if you expect him to run at defenders, dribble past them and score 30 yard bullets then I’m sorry my friend because that’s never going to happen. And from what you said in your post I know you don’t expect this which is good to hear since I’ve read quite a few people here expecting him to do just that.

If anything Gila is more then your average goal poacher because he is actually smart, he can make assists and not just stand there in the last line of defence getting caught offside every 2 minutes, he can score the occasional wonder goal now and then, the ones he scored for Parma show this perfectly.

I’m only defending him because I can see the potential in him, and also because him getting blasted every game even when he has a good one just because he didn’t score, tonight he had a decent game, he was holding up the ball brilliantly and linking up very well with Kaka, the chances didn’t come to him but they all mostly fell to Kaka, so I can’t see why you would take a dig at him. As I said when Gila missed the pen against Torina everyone was crying bloody murder and there was another hundred Gila threads opened, but now that it’s Kaka it’s ok. That’s what irritates me.


Yes Gila is a striker that’s why he is currently the club’s top scorer

I never said you where bashing him but it’s clear you like to take digs at him at every given opportunity. I’m speaking the truth and you know it

With that reasoning, u should be backing every average player this forum has ever taken a rift at.

Yes Kaka is a midfielder, not a second punta or the clubs leading goal scorer ..

Kaka is Kaka. There is no point in discussing this any further .. Unless, u rate Gila over Kaka, then for the first time, I would have to disagree with u.



Ur contradicting urself there



Kaka isnt our striker ... Gilardino is our striker, therefore, he should be the one scoring .. Simple as that. Kaka does his work in midfield, runs all round the place, passes everybody and places the ball on Gilardino's foot .. He does all that and u say he doesnt score ?! He is a midfielder not a striker, Gila should score.

Even with that, Kaka scores for us. He was the one who got us out of the group stages of the CL. he has 5 goals and his goals were crucial for us. But that wasnt part of his job ... But seeing as our strikers couldnt score he had to take the situation into his own hands.



I dont like to take digs at anyone ?!

Is there a problem with u understanding me ?! Gilardino has 7 goals in Serie A, now he can take those 7 goals and shove them .. Cuz thats all they are worth. He wants to impress me ??

Let him act like a Milan striker and prove why he is worth 17 Million on the field of play .. Let him prove why he was who he was in Parma on the field .. Let him handle the pressure and score.

han .. I dont like arguing with u,on this matter, and I shut up till christmas, but come on now ... I am not trying to frustrate u .. I am speaking my mind and I think I have the right to my own opinion, not u nor my father could convince me Gilardino is better than average. ONLY Gilardino can do that by proving himself on the field. That he isnt doing

Gila is a flop. He was brought here to do great things, he hasn't done any of that...

Now there are a million explanations for it, but at the end of the day, Gila disappointed. Just looking at his CL scoring record says it all.

Oliveira flopped too.

You know who didn't flop? (when bought)

Weah

Bierhoff

Sheva

Inzaghi

I only back the players that I see something special in, and I see that in Gila, no matter if you or anyone else here think he is average, I see that he has potential in him that's why I back him. i will never force you to agree with me on this, you are free to your oppinion



I never said that Kaka is better then Gila, I know I defend him but I'm no fan boy that would even go as far as that, as I said I just see that something special in him and that's why I feel like I need to defend him at times. But I will never go as far as say that he is better then Kaka.

Kaka has a better scoring rate then some strikers, so you would expect him to put the chances he had today away. I don't expect him to notch up 20+ goals per season but I would expect him to finish off chances like the ones he had today. Kaka is the one that has set these high standards we expect of him, that's why we all need to recognise that Kaka can do badly at times and not always look at him through rose tinted glasses. Like today.


It came out that way, but what I mean is even though Gila is a goal poacher he has that something extra that others like him don't have. There is a difference to expecting him to run with the ball and score 30 yarders and making assists, Gila can make assists and can make the odd brilliant pass here and there. You wouldn't expect Pippo to do that or any other goal poacher for that matter.


And what are Oli and Pippo, our bench warmers? Gila shouldn't be the one taking all the cr@p for us misfiring badly all season. The team was playing bad, our strikers where all off form including Gila, so I can't see why he should be the one taking all the heat for our scoring inabilities.

As for your mention of Kaka's CL goals, yes we all expect Kaka to score, because these are the high standards he's set.

You can't tell me you don't expect Kaka to score just because he is a midfielder.



Man, the digs thing was a joke!

But seriously, how can you blame him for this season?? We've been cr@p all season from FRONT to BACK. It's not just him, Pippo has been much worse and Oli hasn't fared well either.

Let's just forget about how much we've spent on him, because really, that's not our money so we shoudn't care about how much Milan spent on him. And no he isn't carrying milan on his shoulders like he did with Parma, but Milan is not Parma, Milan is a huge club and he came with high expectations here, of course he felt the pressure especially last season but he still managed to score 19 goals for us.

Today he was more of a hold up man, to lay off the ball to Kaka, I could count the HALF chances he had today on one hand. Fact is the chances fell to Kaka and he didn't take them, they didn't fall to Gila.



Never said you don't have the right to your own oppinion, but I just find it frustrating that you only pinpointed the flaws in Gila's game today, despite some others having worse performances then him. Try to understand me here, I've never told you to agree with me or anything like that but try to understand where I'm coming from with this.

And of course only Gila can prove to you what he can do, no amount of posts I make will change your mind, but I'm confident he WILL change your mind, because as I said I see that something special in him. If I didn't see it there would be no way in hell I would be backing him especially after some of the performances he put out this season (yes I still criticise him, but only when he really deserves it)

Good to know that




Thanks for confirming ur sain



Kaka set a standard .. Which is there is no 2 like him. Unlike Gila, there is a million strikers out there that are of his quality and believe it or not, there is even better than Gila out there



Something extra ?! Like what ?

Pippo ? U r questioning Pippo ?! Pippo Inzaghi is a firm favourite of this club because of what he has done for the team ... i.e. goals, by the dozen. Maybe at 33 he cant do what he used to do ... But comparing Gilardino to Inzaghi, there is nothing to compare ..



Oliviera (i dont really think much of him btw)... It's his first season with Milan. Since we ALL gave Gila a chance, we should leave Oliviera out of this, cuz there is no point .. Though I want Oli out faster than I would want Gilardino .. I think Oli is the one who deserves the chance this time around



Kaka has exceptional talent .. With a player like Kaka, Gilardino should have no problems scoring (especially since u see something special in him..) he should smash every assist Kaka passes to his feet into the goal. Shevchenko never complained .. Niether did Pippo, Tomasson, or Crespo

Apart from that Kaka scores, but he isn't a striker .. So, I wouldnt expect him to score. If he does, I would be overjoyed, cuz after all it's Kaka




Our attack was lacking Shevchenko, if u want the truth, that is it. A hard dry fact han. Oliviera, I mean even if I put him into this mix, there is no point, cuz he wasnt given as much a chance as Gila has had with Milan

The team has been doing great, in respect to what the team has been through .. we only conceeded 21 goals this season our midfield has been solid (possesion wise) .. And our flaw lies in the attack. Pippo Inzaghi hasnt been the same Super Pippo that he usually is, but he is 33 yrs old and cant play every 3 days. That is why the burden rests on this player called Gilardino. Who isn't living up to expectation .. at all. U give Inzaghi the same chances Gilardino had today and I'm sure he'd have scored at least 2.



Gilardino was more of a hold up man ? So was Vieri last season ... I don't see that as a good sign han

Gilardino should score not hold up the ball for others to score. It's a team game ? Yes, the team is doing its part, he should be doing his .. That is why he is placed in the 18 yard box.




han ... I admire how much time u invest in defending a player that has done nothing to help u prove ur point. His past with Parma, even I was thrilled that he joined. In anycase, we are just going back and forth with all this ...

There is not much left to say ... I say he doesnt score, u say he will

Yep, I think we should leave it as it is. Because we could keep hoing on like this forever and a day.

Let's just agree to disagree on the Gila matter. But if in 2 years he doesn't deliver I will admit that I was wrong, but if he doesn deliver you will have to do the same. I think that's the fairest option we have

Let's just be happy aboput Inter's draw for now

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...1950409,00.html

was this true?

In two years ?? Man, he'll be dead before that, u see the tifosi brain washed me

Well not literally, but he did do some magic; like he passed 3 defenders in one move ... pushing the ball between a Barzagli's legs and hit the bar with a shot ...

in only one word I can some it up for u ... Kaka

ratings please??

It seems like we made one great signing last summer at last...

I think him and Gourcuff where definately the best buys we made. Bonera has been a revelation this season. Him playing Next to Paolo and Nesta and training with them has done him a world of good. I can't wait to see him form a partnership with Alessandro

I knew of him before. He used to be a very solid defender at Parma. Also, my buddy that's an FM-addict used to always buy him from the first season but Bonera was late to go back to defence when he got up for the set-pieces!

I agree. Rude...very rude. Or is there something more to this?

I couldn't care less...

I could.

That's because you're emotionally challanged.

by whom??

... When they say you are challanged, it means you have some sort of illness... in this case, emotionally ill. it doesn't mean you are being challanged by someone...

He just likes to hear you talk Max. He's got a crush!
I'd say right now he's romantically challenged....by YOU!