I tink you're right. It definetely would the end of the Serie A as league for international stars...which player wants to play in such a league full of scandals?

yeah very unique ^^

hahaha peopel&prejudice *rollseyes* I'm also an onlychild, and maybe I'm one of the persons who likes to share, BECAUSE I'm an onlychild...

you don't have to make an apology, I was just surprised.

PS: people like to judge we can't do otherwise, it's in our nature.

I meant from a shrink's point of view

I know and totally respect that

Didn't know some one could be so cold and imature. It's right of FIGC to not play the games, thats the only thing they can do.

One week with out football big deal get over it. This is big blow to italian football. Firts the calciopoli now this.

I can't see it happening. There will be a lot of noise and trouble, but I don't think the situation will go as far as suspend calcio for a whole year. That would really mean the end of it all.

the clubs should get a big moneypenalty...
maybe they even deserve disqualifitation

That's the only reasonable solution I can see at the moment.

Suspending Calcio for a year isn't an option

For me...they totally deserved it....Juve was relegated because of game fixing...this is bigger...

Like I said I'm not unsympathetic! - maybe you didn't see that part?!

Italian football is already dead and I'm over that already! This might be the chance for Milan to get out and join the hypothetical "super league" talked about a few yrs. back before Fifa dismissed it?!

it would ruin everything calcio has been for the last decades.
almost every player will be sold to EPL/La Liga
also not good for italy's economy, I bet.
but the likeliness this will happen is very low I think

That's why I said it's not an option

HI there, new as member here. Well, getting into the theme, some people sees the suspension as a show of respect for the dead man. This is a measure taken to give a signal of how the calcio is, and a way to show that the calcio authorities want to do something about it (hope so).

Maybe milanista1899 doesn`t see it in this way, but i doubt the only reason to cancel the weekend is a "weekend of silence"....think about it, its a litthle deeper, you can,t act as nothing has happened.

If it is an option I know someone who will really be disapointed .. Grumpy 'Moratti', and this wouldnt even be a joke, cuz he seriouslly would have a heart attack

Hmmm ... Welcome .. But why is this so fishy

Maybe milanista1899 knows

Welcome BssMn. I agree with all you said, but I don't do acting! Suppose I'm coming round to your way of thinking - slightly. I guess it takes a bit of time to sink in. The 1st thing I saw was this weekend abandoned and felt a great loss for that! ... ...

U know talking to urself sometimes helps resolve some problems

1stly to you too

2ndly it's not! ...is it?

3rdly no he doesn't know!

Like I could be 2 people at once? I am great but am not superman Plus, he made a typo...when have you ever seen one of those from me? He's not an imaginary friend neither (common amongst only children) ... (waits for a reply from mchanna )

this is really sad.. he didn't deserve that.
having one week off was the least they could've done.

Fishy??...mm don´t know what is that...ops. Well, no bad feeling to milanista1899, (I haven´t practice my english for a long time and can´t find the better ways to explain me) its only that i saw that you was complaining because of the suspension only focusing on the death of the policeman, perhaps you maybe knew the real reason. Thats all, and thanks for the welcome Rossoneri7.
Bye

I know that mate, same to you Didn't mean anything by the whole typo thing - just a joke p.s. the rolleyes was at Rossoneri7 (no hard feelings to you either )

bwhaahah sorry. but this is just too funny

(not the incident with the Derby)

Well, this sucks... The teams involved should be penalized and play the rest of the season behind closed doors or something like that... Stupid fans...

i agree

This is really shameful...

The mere existence of such a thread in a football forum makes me really sad.


@milanista1899: I can't believe I'm reading this (your posts) but still... it's your opinion and I respect it. But I think there's one thing you don't really 'get' here; this is not a decision taken out of sympathy. This is a measure taken to evaluate the situation and plan for the future. Don't be surprised if this happens next week or even the one after that too... So what do you suggest, apathy?? What would it mean if football was still played this weekend. It would be as if nothing had happened... and what if next week a player is killed?? And what if he is a Milan player?? What then... what would say, "We've got 20 more footballers, so cut the crap and bring on some football"???????

How can you even enjoy watching football this weekend after this!?? I guess you can, it's just hard for me to imagine it...




I don't see how that would help! Really... it's much bigger than that!!

IT is tragedy. 38 years young....

absolutely there weren't football fans. Just a trouble makers. Nevertheless I think there is more to it than just a riot. For years soccer fans patients has been really tested. Fixed games, corrupt refs, bad deals....you name it. Why FIFA or UEFA strongly refuse cameras during a game (just like is in NHL). IF ref is not sure of his judgment he can call upstairs and ask for help. Another ref watches replay and send a call about dive, foul , hand ball....
How many times any of us could not believe our eyes when refs made a call (shevchenko 's goal with barca?)
Many fans are ordinary people and after hard day of work they expect to see decent game. This is our love and we hate to see it destroyed.
My heart goes with victim of this tragedy bat maybe this problem is more complicated and much deeper than many want to admit.
Players association calls for year ban. Is that a solution?

Milan forever

You just want to see Moratti's face when he hear's that the only year his team are doing well has been cancelled.

But still suspending football for the whole year is not an option, the Italian league will take a big hit, and after the ivents of the summer I don't think it can survive another hit, it's simple if they suspend Calcio for the whole year then Calcio dies.

Secondly it would be bad for Italian aconom, and they can't afford to do that.

I think disqualifying the teams from Serie A is the answer, this will send out enough of a message, or if this seems too drastic for them they should slap both teams with a fine and make them play behind closed doors for the entire season.

Well atleast from what I heard in the news today they have detained a lot of people in jail. Hopefully one of them is the guy that threw the bomb at the officer.

From what I heard it was the Catania fans that started it when the away coach arrived 45 mins late, and when they arrived they started throwing everything at them even a toilet This is when the police where trying to get the situation under control and someone threw this flair or bomd, whatever it was at this officer

Violence in football has been a problem in italy for many years as we know, there are probably more questions then answers when it comes to this problem.
The influence the fans have in Italy is second to none! I can remember a Rome derby being abandoned just because there were rumours that a child had been run over and killed by a police car (which was not true) and the abiding image from that game is totti talking to the leader of the Roma ultras asking HIM to sort the fans out not a policeman or other security person!! I read in interview with lillian thuram that one game when he was playing for parma and they were losing heavily at half-time a ultra leader came into the dressing room and gave the players a rollicking!! This is no excuse for the unforgivable actions of the scilian derby but these fans are not normal fans. Everything seems to be magnified in the eyes of these people 1 defeat seems like the end of the world (we even get that sort of over the top reaction in here!) 2 defeats and the coach must go 3 defeats and the owner/director must leave for the sake of the club.
after all caglari changed there coach 3 or 4 times last season, Torino changed thecoach that got them promoted a week before the start of the Serie A season!
Everybody associated with running of these clubs should take a little responsibility and the fans who caused the death of the policeman i hope you pay for your crimes in this life and the next! You are evil and try to justify your actions under the cover of our beloved game! Not just italian fans but all fans of all clubs should not tolerate these kinds of acts and all games across europe should have a minutes respect for that man killed just doing his job.
My heart goes out to all his family and a special prayer to his wife and 2 children

I understand that the teams involved were Sicilian rivals. I was wondering if anyone knows the politics of the teams' supporters. I think it might shed some light on the deeper issues involving this outburst.

Can anyone help me on this one?

Of course a deep, deep tragedy. I cannot imagine this kind of violence, and how people can be this cruel. I do agree with Palermo president Zamparini, though. The problem does not lie within football, but within the italian society. Sure, the rivalry between supporters created this mess, but I don't think the clubs can do too much, it's the police and government who must act against this in a severe way.

Now, I don't mean to be egoistic in any way, but I must ask for your opinion in this matter. From what you've heard, what are the chances for Serie A to start before next weekend? Because I am supposed to watch Milan-Livorno in 8 days with some friends... Talk about bad timing.

They haven't said anything on when they willstart up again

I'd personally be very suprised if any more games were postponed.

I've heard differing stories that the Serie A will be suspended for three matches or two weeks. I hope the suspension doesn't last too long and that appropriate is taken by the FIGC and the Italian government otherwise this would have all been in vain.

Ff course this is a tragedy, but this might be good for milan. gives some players some rests and hopefully ronaldo will have time to settle in and regain some fitness and maybe even play for us in a week or two.

Yes me too .. Actually, I doubt this will carry on any longer .. They will decide within a week what to do.

What I fear is having Catania demoted or something very serious like that; cuz they r in 4th place and it's been more than half a yr now since they got promoted to Serie A .. The club doesn't deserve this .. It's the fans who caused it ..

Sicily can get very heated on any subject that involves pride, it's in their history. Therefore, I think a hefty punishment (either a fine or club plays in closed doors or something like that) .. That would be the idal solution ... Cuz when u think of it, what has happened is huge and suspending the whole sport in the country for a week is a HUGE blow to that sector .. What u think will happen ? They will suspend it indeffinately ? If they do that, it will be a HUGE blow for their sports industry .. I highly doubt it .. Cuz the clubs arent paying their players for nothing

Magistrates explain calcio chaos

The magistrate of Catania – the scene of the tragic riots – explains why suspending the games is a victory for the hooligans and how they keep re-offending.

The Federation immediately suspended all football activity in Italy after a police officer was killed in the Sicilian derby riots outside the Stadio Massimino on Friday.

However, the magistrate of Catania has gone against these plans, suggesting it was an error to call off even one week of games, let alone an entire campaign.

“This is a mistake, because it means that sport is held hostage by a band of delinquents,” said magistrate Renato Papa, whose jurisdiction is the city where Friday night’s fatal riots were held.

“The risk is that we will end up giving a stronger voice to those few criminal elements, who will then hold control over the vast majority of peaceful fans who go to the stadium.”

Once again, the Italians are looking to England for a way out, recalling how their hooligan problem was stamped down in the 1980s following the Heysel disaster.

“The hooligans were defeated thanks to radical intervention, in other words arrests that meant certain prison time and the confiscation of passports.”

The Legge Pisanu demanded all clubs and arenas ensure CCTV footage, numbered and named tickets, stewards paid for by the sides to police the fans and adequate turnstiles, but so far very few stadiums fit the bill.

Magistrate Papa suggests that he has no power to lock up the vandals even when they are put in custody.

“The Italian laws are inadequate when it comes to football-related violence, because there is no deterrent.

"Overall 22 Catania fans have been arrested thanks to regulations allowing video and photographic evidence, but the law says that if they have no previous convictions, they’ll be released again immediately. Even if they do have a record, it’ll still result in a suspended sentence.”


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You're right I suppose I didn't get that. That was partly why I was so angry - because I didn't get that, I thought it WAS just for sympathy - which would've been wrong!

Do I suggest apathy? No! From what I've heard, the way he died was because of a flare! That's part of the problem for a start! Do you remember what happened at Ascoli last season to that lady, who was there with her son? Absolutely horrific like in this case, but I guess to some extent she & her son we're "lucky" it wasn't the same outcome. Here in England you aren't allowed flares, and I think it's stupid to allow them in Italy but will they change this? Or at least make an amendment to the Pisanu decree.

Part of the reason I want things to continue is that the fans don't deserve to be punished for the stupidity of the minority of football hooligans. As far as I'm concerned, they can kill each other but leave everyone else out of it. As well as the selfish reason. (We could be watching them in a few mins. according to the chronometer on the website! )

Now maybe I'm gullible but I don't think anyone intended to murder Mr Raciti, who died a hero doing his job. I don't know if you're joking, over-exaggerating or just being stupid but I'd never say anything of the sort! I could enjoy watching it because I love and will always enjoy watching Milan

This isn't the 1st ever tragedy or injustice in the world and it won't be the last, I didn't know the guy, I've said what feels like a million times that I have sympathy for him & his family/friends. You can choose to be miserable & let things consume you or enjoy life (which is the reason for it!) and move on!

Raciti murder "was revenge"

The police are now suggesting that Filippo Raciti was targeted in a revenge killing for acting as a witness in the trial of a Catania Ultra’.

The 38-year-old policeman was killed during riots that surrounded the Stadio Massimino while Catania-Palermo was played inside.

An autopsy has now confirmed he died from massive liver damage. “The cause of death is clear,” announced the MD.

It was already known that the Catania fans staged an ambush on the arriving Palermo fans and police force, but a frightening new theory has come to light – the football match was merely an excuse to exact revenge on the Chief Inspector.

“In the last few weeks, Filippo had acted as a key witness in the trial of a Catania Ultra’ accused of violence in the last derby at Palermo. He was the one who nailed him, reconstructing the events of another nightmare evening,” explained police colleague Claudio Anzalone.

“Filippo told me how things unfolded. That lad, who got a suspended sentence, left the court laughing at him and hurling insults. Now this incident could really mean something, even if nobody listened to our warnings before.”

This theory would fit in with the sequence of events on Friday evening at the Stadio Massimino.

The Palermo fans did not arrive until the second half and it was here that the trouble erupted, when Catania supporters waiting outside the stadium began their ambush.

Raciti, one of the policemen escorting the visiting fans, was struck in the chest by a rock and then a homemade bomb was thrown at his car.

“We can confirm that there was no involvement of the Rosanero fans,” said Catania police chief Ignazio Fonzo.

“The riot was solely created by pseudo-Catania supporters, real delinquents with a premeditated action of extreme violence. It’s a little early to talk today about a premeditated and targeted murder, however.”

More evidence suggests this may have been revenge for the last Sicilian derby, won 5-3 by Palermo at the Stadio Barbera on September 20.

Raciti had been placed in a desk job for the past few months, but became restless and at his request was returned to duty at football matches just over a week ago.

The tension expected in the derby may well have given the criminals the perfect excuse to commit murder disguised as football-related violence.

Last night the police raided several different Catania fan clubs to weed out the more hardline elements. So far 22 people are under arrest.

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Would Catania and Palermo be fined to regleated or ban of european matches

That would be utterly unfair to the clubs and their players... Especially Catania who have worked really hard to be where they are right now...

I agree with u on this point

So it was murder !!!

This has nothing to do w/ football!!!!!

To some extent this whole things never had anything to do with football.

Football was just these people's excuse for rioting against the Palermo fans. I think it has more to do with politics rather then anything else.

Too bad football was dragged into this

it was the perfect setup
well if this is the case then it is unlikely that the rest of the season will be in closed doors... just more security i think

Milan in favour of zero tolerance

Carlo Ancelotti and his Milan squad believe the key to beating fan violence is a zero tolerance policy.

“We need to go to the source of the problem and set out rules that will really frighten them,” said Massimo Oddo, no stranger to the Ultras after years at Lazio.


“Whoever commits these crimes tends to get arrested and then released the same day. If things remain the same, then of course these pseudo-fans will never be afraid and continue to behave this way.”


Coach Ancelotti took an even harder line on the tifosi after a policeman was killed during rioting outside Catania’s Stadio Massimino on Friday.


“I think that above all else we need to implement a zero tolerance policy,” noted the tactician. “The police have to be given extra powers.”


Although there are also crowd problems in Brazil, Kaka concedes he has no answers for the Italian troubles.


“I am not the right person to say how we are supposed to get out of this situation, but I do hope there will be some strong changes, because we cannot carry on like this.”

Well I know you don't suggest apathy but IMO it was essential to postpone this week's games cause what happened might have caused a chain reaction... Violence brings about more violence!


It doesn't really matter if it's the minority or the majority... the result is still the same and since it's linked with football I'd rather have one or two football weeks canceled if it means that such actions are to be crossed out. I don't feel punished!

Also... what all Serie A fans feel for missing the giornata cannot be compared to what his wife and children feel.


No I'm not being stupid.

I would love to watch Milan but no I wouldn't enjoy football itself cause those black arm-bands in the footballer's arms would still remind me of what happened.


I feel the world has become too hard to feel misery for such an incident... sympathy is what it is at best! I myself cannot claim I feel anything more than that...

today I heard on my radio that 29 are in arrest, and that clubs want to play the league, but the state says no, until there are better securities in the stadiums

The clubs want the championship to resume on Sunday (even behind closed doors) but FIGC/CONI/Govt insist on putting it all back for one more week and then also debar the stadiums for two weeks more!

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Lotito wants stadio ownership
Monday 5 February, 2007

Lazio chief Claudio Lotito believes that football clubs should own their stadiums in order to implement the existing anti-violence laws.

All football activity in Italy was suspended on Friday after Chief Inspector Filippo Raciti was killed during the riots following the Sicilian derby between Catania and Palermo.

Former Home Office Minister Giuseppe Pisanu had introduced new rules last year which were meant to increase safety inside the stadiums, including CCTV footage, turnstiles and security checks.

But to date only the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza in Milan, Rome’s Stadio Olimpico, the Stadio Renzo Barbera in Palermo and the Stadio Olimpico in Turin comply with Legge Pisanu rules.

“The Pisanu law is a good one, but we need appropriate structures for it to be respected,” said Lotito to television program Controcampo.

“The stadium is not only made of the pitch and the stands, but it also includes security rings and much more,” continued the Biancoceleste, who believes that these structures would allow clubs to filter access to the stadium.

“However, I believe stadiums should be owned by us, just as in England. That is the only way for the clubs to become responsible for security.

“Stadiums must not be considered no-man’s-land, there are laws which already exist to punish hooliganism and they must be implemented,” concluded Lotito.

The Italian Olympic Committee and the FIGC will meet on Monday to discuss how long the suspension will last and it is reported that stadiums which fail to fit the bill could be banned from staging matches next season.