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misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 27 2007, 06:07 PM)
Dutch CL Play-Off result:

FT Ajax Amsterdam [3 - 0] AZ Alkmaar
56' [1 - 0] J. Heitinga   
58' [2 - 0] R. Donk (o.g.)   
90' [3 - 0] Gabri
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Good. Another season for them in the CL
Portman


Simão Sabrosa from Benfica was the bwinLIGA (Portuguese League) Player of the Year.

The prize was given by the Portuguese League, in a votation of all the coaches in League 1 who chose who was the best.

1. Simão Sabrosa [SL Benfica]
2. Quaresma [FC Porto]
3. Moutinho [Sporting]
dst
ohmy.gif Blasphemy!! Where is Katsouranis!!??? biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
Congratulations Simao! biggrin.gif
whoarethepatriots
Whats Rui Costa doing at Benfica nowadays
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 4 2007, 07:29 PM)
Whats Rui Costa doing at Benfica nowadays
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Sitting on the bench. tongue.gif
whoarethepatriots
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 4 2007, 07:31 PM)
Sitting on the bench.  tongue.gif
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Really? He was better off with us!
Portman
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 4 2007, 08:29 PM)
Whats Rui Costa doing at Benfica nowadays
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He was injuried great part of the season. Now he decided to play 1 more year in Benfica.
He's more like someone who can get in and change a match. He can only play 50-60 minutes max.

But his presence in Benfica is important. He's a symbol of the club. Just like Vitor Baia in Porto.

@dst: Katsouranis had a superb season until March. Then he seemed really tired in almost every game. Anyway, everybody in Benfica (the directors, F.Santos, the other players, the fans) love him. They look at him as an example. He'll be in the first 11 on the next year(s) I believe.
kurtsimonw
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Wesley Sneijder appears to be at odds with Ajax over Valencia's failed bid for his services.

The Che had been speaking to Ajax for some time about the talented midfielder, but their bid hit the buffers over the weekend when the Amsterdam club confirmed a fee had not been agreed.

Ajax added that they expected Sneijder to knuckle down and show commitment to the club, but the 22-year-old seems intent on securing a transfer away from Amsterdam.

"Officially, I have heard nothing about it yet, but the last words have yet to be spoken about this," Sneijder told De Telegraaf.

"The only way to break with Ajax is by kicking up a fuss. But that's not my style."

Sneijder has a further two years to run on his contract and feels the time has come for Ajax to cash in.

He added: "This is the moment for a transfer.

"I have been playing in the first team at Ajax for five years. And surely Ajax don't want to let me walk out for free in two years' time?"

Sky Sports


Albedla, Joaquin, David Silva, Vicente, Raul Albiol AND Sneijder? ohmy.gif

They'd have some real choice in midfield.
KillerMax
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 4 2007, 07:36 PM)
Albedla, Joaquin, David Silva, Vicente, Raul Albiol AND Sneijder?  ohmy.gif

They'd have some real choice in midfield.
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Albiol is more of a defender though... But from that list, I like Joaquin and Vicente.
Rossoneri7
Yeah, I rate Joaquin and Vicente much higher than Sneijder ...
dst
Joaquin!! wub.gif (Even though his pace reminds me of Gerrard a bit... dry.gif)

And Silva has had a great (CL) season!! Amazing!! smile.gif
dst
So, Porty, now that the season's over, are there any rumors about my next favorite player, Nelson? cool.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 6 2007, 12:10 PM)
So, Porty, now that the season's over, are there any rumors about my next favorite player, Nelson?  cool.gif
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He's staying. Now he has to fight for his place with Marc Zoro (ex-Messina).

From GREECE:



José Peseiro (ex-Sporting Lisbon coach) joined Panathinaikos. He's a good in tactics, but problem is that he should be a strict guy, and he isn't. He left Sporting because of that.

In Sporting he lost the championship (to Benfica) and the UEFA Cup final (to CSKA Moscow) in the last week of the season. So painful for the Sporting fans. rolleyes.gif

By the way, he's a Benfica fan.
Tennie
There are rumors in the Italian press that Benfica are preparing an offer (roughly 1.5 m euros) for Messina's Rigano.
kurtsimonw
Player ----------------------- Ap --- Go -- As
Eddie Johnson ------- KC --- 9 ---- 9 --- 3
Juan Pablo Angel - NY --- 6 ---- 7 --- 2
Taylor Twellman ----- NE ---10 ---- 7 --- 0

Like I said. Forget Beckham, Pablo is the one that's going to light up the MLS. cool.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 6 2007, 06:23 AM)
He's staying. Now he has to fight for his place with Marc Zoro (ex-Messina).

From GREECE:



José Peseiro (ex-Sporting Lisbon coach) joined Panathinaikos. He's a good in tactics, but problem is that he should be a strict guy, and he isn't. He left Sporting because of that.

In Sporting he lost the championship (to Benfica) and the UEFA Cup final (to CSKA Moscow) in the last week of the season. So painful for the Sporting fans.  rolleyes.gif

By the way, he's a Benfica fan.
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ya that was rough, especially the uefa cup @ home...
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2007, 12:39 PM)
Player ----------------------- Ap --- Go -- As
Eddie Johnson ------- KC --- 9 ---- 9 --- 3
Juan Pablo Angel - NY --- 6 ---- 7 --- 2
Taylor Twellman ----- NE ---10 ---- 7 --- 0

Like I said. Forget Beckham, Pablo is the one that's going to light up the MLS.  cool.gif
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ya he's on fire! oh and BTW i started a new game in fifio 07 with aston villa. i made you a power house! biggrin.gif

GK:landreau
RB: Carr
CB:Terry
CB:Kompany
LB:Chivu
RM:Lennon
DM:DeRossi
CM:Lampard
LM:Ribery
ST:Owen
ST:Berbatov

Bench: James,Upson,Maxwell,Savage,huddlestone,rosicky,downing + plus a few orther young talents.
kurtsimonw
You sold Mellberg, Barry and Petrov for Kompany, Ribery and Lampard. Are you trying to kill us! tongue.gif

Upson and Savage had better be jokes. We're not having any 'iconic' Birmingham players on our team. dry.gif
Jack Sparrow
What?? No Agbonlahor...this team sucks tongue.gif

This is like EPL XI with De Rossi and friends.
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2007, 12:58 PM)
You sold Mellberg, Barry and Petrov for Kompany, Ribery and Lampard. Are you trying to kill us!  tongue.gif

Upson and Savage had better be jokes. We're not having any 'iconic' Birmingham players on our team. dry.gif
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hahah i like those guys, especially savage. what annoys me about fifa 07 is like 90% of the players have these ugly generic pictures. so to make it more challenging i only consider keeping players that have a real picture. so ya sadly i sold those guys,petrov i sold so i could afford lampard. i'd way rather have kompany over mellberg (getting old). and barry i would keep as the captain but sorry he had a generic pic tongue.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 12 2007, 07:00 PM)
This is like EPL XI with De Rossi and friends.
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ROTFL.
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 12 2007, 01:38 PM)
ROTFL.
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i would have signed carvalho but he's head is freakishly big compared to his body +he looks white as a ghost (that is in the game). i only sign goodlooking players tongue.gif
kurtsimonw
You say that, yet you have Ribery disgracing my team?
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2007, 01:56 PM)
You say that, yet you have Ribery disgracing my team?
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haha you no like? why? he has a cool scar + he's the exeption.
kurtsimonw
I don't particularly like the way any guy looks. tongue.gif

Ribery for Villa? I wouldn't welcome it. Gabbi and Young own our wings. Plus there's only one Frenchman I know of that really made an impact for Villa, and that's because he was superb. Mr. David Ginola. cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2007, 10:02 PM)
I don't particularly like the way any guy looks.  tongue.gif

Ribery for Villa? I wouldn't welcome it. Gabbi and Young own our wings. Plus there's only one Frenchman I know of that really made an impact for Villa, and that's because he was superb. Mr. David Ginola.  cool.gif
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One frenchman that conquered at Leeds and Man U .. Eric Cantona king.gif
kurtsimonw
Ginola > Cantona

Ginola was a class act, Contona was a loser. A fan should have ran on the pitch and kicked him in the face, arrogant pr!ck. dry.gif
Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 13 2007, 12:36 AM)
Ginola > Cantona

Ginola was a class act, Contona was a loser. A fan should have ran on the pitch and kicked him in the face, arrogant pr!ck. dry.gif
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Cuntona is the one guy is the world who really considers Onighted the biggest club in the world. He really believes in that. laugh.gif rolleyes.gif
Tennie
Of course Cantona is an arrogant pr!ck. He's French.

But he was also one hell of a good footballer.
kurtsimonw
He was a very good player, which I had the fortune of seeing in his prime.

I think he's one of the most hated footballers in England, outside of Manchester. Playing for United should be a criminal offense in itself, but attacking a fan? That's a true Frenchman, arrogant and a coward.

Good riddance Eric. wink.gif
dst
I like him! innocent.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 13 2007, 12:54 AM)
I like him! innocent.gif
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dst
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I like him as a footballer...

Of course you know that but it seems like I have to type the whole sh!t every f@cking time... dry.gif
kurtsimonw
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Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jun 13 2007, 01:03 AM)
Of course you know that but it seems like I have to type the whole sh!t every f@cking time... dry.gif
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In Italy people like me are called "uomo di merda". cool.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 13 2007, 02:43 AM)
Of course Cantona is an arrogant pr!ck. He's French.

But he was also one hell of a good footballer.
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He was/is the ONLY United player that I really liked !! He is the best player to ever set foot in the EPL, no one likes him cuz he was on top of the world cool.gif

I was at a game, once, I was a kid .. the crowd were screaming : "Oh ah Catona .. say Ohh ah Cantona .." and that chant stayed with me in my head for sometime, cuz the football he played was absolutely spectacular king.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 13 2007, 12:15 AM)
He was/is the ONLY United player that I really liked !! He is the best player to ever set foot in the EPL, no one likes him cuz he was on top of the world cool.gif
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You forgot Beckham! smile.gif

I don't think he was the best, which is why we chanted "Who needs Cantona when we've got Paul McGrath!" cool.gif
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 13 2007, 03:12 AM)
In Italy people like me are called "uomo di merda".  cool.gif
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If you go on like this you will be called 'cadaveri eccellenti'!!! mad.gif


... tongue.gif
Tennie
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 12 2007, 08:20 PM)
You forgot Beckham!  smile.gif

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puke.gif Beckham was only ever the 4th best midfielder at MU when he was playing there. He's good - and I've been happily surprised by his recent form - but Giggs, Scholes, and Keane were (and, in the cases of Giggs and Scholes, ARE) still better.
kurtsimonw
R7 said Cantona was the only player he really liked, I didn't mean to put accross that he was good, just that he should like him. cool.gif

But I agree that Beckham was definetly not as effective as Scholes or Giggs going forward and Keane was the better defensive player of the 4.
KillerMax
Beckham haters... dry.gif

Just because he is a big celebrity and talks funny doesn't mean he is not a great player.
kurtsimonw
The majority of people hate him because he's English.

I quite like it that the EPL is hated so much, along with the NT. It's all just jealousy. cool.gif
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 13 2007, 11:27 AM)
The majority of people hate him because he's English.

I quite like it that the EPL is hated so much, along with the NT. It's all just jealousy.  cool.gif
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Yeah, they are really jealous of England NT rolleyes.gif
kurtsimonw
Winning ISN'T everything.

We've got some of the best players in the World. Regularly reaching the last 8 of tournements, some teams would kill for that. Who's CONSISTANTLY better than us?

Germany? (Euro 2000, 20004)
Italy? (Euro 2004)
France? (World Cup 2002)
Holland? (World CUp 2002)
Portugal? (World Cup 2002)
Argentina? (World Cup 2002)

Brazil are about the only team who consistantly do better than us, as for the others, they fail as much, if not worse than us. wink.gif
misha
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 13 2007, 11:42 AM)
Winning ISN'T everything.

We've got some of the best players in the World. Regularly reaching the last 8 of tournements, some teams would kill for that. Who's CONSISTANTLY better than us?

Germany? (Euro 2000, 2004)
Italy? (Euro 2004)
France? (World Cup 2002)
Holland? (World CUp 2002)
Portugal? (World Cup 2002)
Argentina? (World Cup 2002)

Brazil are about the only team who consistantly do better than us, as for the others, they fail as much, if not worse than us.  wink.gif
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You know who says 'Winning ISN'T everything'? wink.gif

Consistantly? England NT is consistantly good in failing almost every time.

You forgot about euro 2000 where they failed and WC 1994 in which England didn't played at all. These teams you mentioned maybe fail once in a while to reach final stages of some competition, but unlike England, they compensate they fans by winning tournaments. To compare England NT with teams like Germany, Italy, Argentina and France is a joke.

Enland Euro record:

1960 - Did not enter
1964 - Did not qualify
1968 - Third place
1972 - Did not qualify - Quarter-finals
1976 - Did not qualify
1980 - Round 1
1984 - Did not qualify
1988 - Round 1
1992 - Round 1
1996 - Semi-Finals
2000 - Round 1
2004 - Quarter-Finals
kurtsimonw
If you want to go back in time then whatever.

Argentina's World Cup record in the last 5 or so tournements has been awful (Maradonna IS Argentina).

When a team can beat us in 90 minutes instead of fluking their way through penalties, fair enough, until then it's down to luck.

A team changes every 8 years or so, so comparing this England team to the ones that have failed is stupid. The teams I mentioned in my last post have all failed in the recent competition, in the last 2 or 3. Maybe not this World Cup, but neither did we. In Euro 2004 the Germans failed, again, as did the majority of teams at the World Cup in Korea.

You seem to consider France a great team? Yes the've made 2 World Cup Finals recently, great for them. What happened in 2002, what about 94 and 90? In fact. in 62, 66, 70, 74 and 78 they failed to make it past the first stage or didn't qualify.

Same in the Euro's. They may have won one recently, but in 64, 88, 72, 76, 80 and 88 they failed to qualify to go with their not getting past the first round in 92.
When you're going to say a team regularly 'fails' put France at the front in line. England have 'failed' 2 or 3 times in the last tewnty years. France have failed a hell of alot more.
misha
I wasn't going back that much but again if you want to look to the entire history: England failed in every Euro until 1996, missed 1974,1978,1994 World Cups also and made it to the Semi finals only TWO TIMES in the history. Take all the euros and world cups ever and you have 3 Semi finals and only 1 win, forty years ago.

Again, every team fails sometimes but some teams actually win competitions also. France won won two euros in 1984 and in 2000, Was in two wc recently and also did great there in the 80th. France = 5 wc semi finals > England = 2. Argentina made it to the 4 wc finals (two without Diego) and won it twice plus won Coppa America something like 13-14 times (more than Brazil).

Euro 2000 happened recently, WC 2002 they lost without a panalties. And the fact that they can't take penalties doesn't make it less of a failure.
LaPalma
QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 13 2007, 10:04 AM)
You know who says 'Winning ISN'T everything'? wink.gif

Consistantly? England NT is consistantly good in failing almost every time.

You forgot about euro 2000 where they failed and WC 1994 in which England didn't played at all.  These teams you mentioned maybe fail once in a while to reach final stages of some competition, but unlike England, they compensate they fans by winning tournaments. To compare England NT with teams like Germany, Italy, Argentina and France is a joke.

Enland Euro record:

1960 - Did not enter
1964 - Did not qualify
1968 - Third place
1972 - Did not qualify - Quarter-finals
1976 - Did not qualify
1980 - Round 1
1984 - Did not qualify
1988 - Round 1
1992 - Round 1
1996 - Semi-Finals
2000 - Round 1
2004 - Quarter-Finals
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Well, at least the English NT are consistant in loosing big games...
Remember the Euro Semi Final 1996 rolleyes.gif ?
The only Tournament England ever won was the WC in 1966. Other teams were much more succesfull, in the past and now.
Germany, for example tongue.gif, made it to the WC Final in 2003 (OK, I still don't know how that happened) and to the semi finals in the WC last year. Our last Euros were....well crap, that's correct. But if I see our team playing now I'm certain we're favourites for the next title.
LaPalma
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 13 2007, 09:42 AM)
Winning ISN'T everything.

We've got some of the best players in the World. Regularly reaching the last 8 of tournements, some teams would kill for that. Who's CONSISTANTLY better than us?

Germany? (Euro 2000, 20004)
Italy? (Euro 2004)
France? (World Cup 2002)
Holland? (World CUp 2002)
Portugal? (World Cup 2002)
Argentina? (World Cup 2002)

Brazil are about the only team who consistantly do better than us, as for the others, they fail as much, if not worse than us.  wink.gif
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