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Portman
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/...78-1306,00.html

It's in here. A brazillian website, saying that Milan is after him.

They're saying that Milan consider Sobis > Tevez (for me they're =), so they are going to Brazil after him on the next days.

This is today's new in Brazil.

Oh men, this transfer would be HUGE. Inter wanted him last year... but they got nothing.

He plays TODAY the 2nd leg of the Copa Libertadores final, that is the Champions League final of South America. I'll watch the match. smile.gif

More info about him: http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...t=0&#entry31738 (I wrote something about him in other section of the forum)
han2503
If he's as good as you said then I would be happy with him being our surprise.

But is he the Sheva type or the Gila type, does he make dribbles and assits or just waits for the ball to come and just puts it in? I've never seen him play that's why I'm asking
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 16 2006, 02:01 AM)
If he's as good as you said then I would be happy with him being our surprise.

But is he the Sheva type or the Gila type, does he make dribbles and assits or just waits for the ball to come and just puts it in? I've never seen him play that's why I'm asking
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I heard he's the Montella type, but also can dribble and make assists. I saw a clip about him and I think he's very talented. Definitely should take him.
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 16 2006, 01:01 AM)
But is he the Sheva type or the Gila type, does he make dribbles and assits or just waits for the ball to come and just puts it in? I've never seen him play that's why I'm asking
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Sheva type. Def'. That's why we should get him.
If he wasn't that type, I wouldn't be writting this new and all this stuff. cool.gif
KillerMax
Well this would certainly make me happy...

So Portugal, how do you see his chances of coming to Milan? Do you think it's just a stupid rumor or will we go for him?
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 16 2006, 01:43 AM)
So Portugal, how do you see his chances of coming to Milan? Do you think it's just a stupid rumor or will we go for him?
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At the moment, with that Ibra, Crespo b/s all over the papers I can't say anything. I'm still a little bit disappointed.

Well, this new was on MediaSet (Don Silvio press), and Brazil's paper.
But it can be b/s too. Don't forget MediaSet said Ibra would join Milan too... rolleyes.gif

Our doubts are only going to be confirmed on the 31st of August at 23:59.

PS: Milan and Inter were tracking him last year. But, got nothing. Let's see it now.
jbryant1
Milan surely has a great ability at picking youth with potential.

He scored 2 goals in the final today.

Portugal you called it.

You can see them here....

goals
KillerMax
QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Aug 15 2006, 10:05 PM)
Milan surely has a great ability at picking youth with potential.

He scored 2 goals in the final today.

Portugal you called it.

You can see them here....

goals
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Those can't be the goals from today... Someone left a comment on that video 3 days ago. rolleyes.gif
florenti1
I think i like the idea of buying this player
He is brazilian he is probably talented and i think we dont have to pay 30m euro for him
I mean he is not a "big name" on football pages
At least not yet!
But i dont think we should take him as Sheva replacement. He has to confirm the expectations first
We could take him and sell Amoroso
Portman
QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Aug 16 2006, 04:05 AM)
He scored 2 goals in the final today.

goals
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That goals are from 1 week ago. The first leg. Away. That first goal is simply amazing.

The 2nd leg is today. He can become South American champion.
YoungGun
Tks Portugal for this new. I will be happy if it will be true.
Nova
QUOTE (florenti1 @ Aug 16 2006, 08:01 AM)
I mean he is not a "big name" on football pages
At least not yet!
But i dont think we should take him as Sheva replacement. He has to confirm the expectations first
We could take him and sell Amoroso
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What does it matter if he's a big name or not. If he's good he's good. We're not Inter or Real.

And why not using him as a replacement ? When sheva was bought they didnt intend to play him as a 3rd striker. He was there too to replace both bierhoff & Weah.

In the end , the last thing i care about is if he's as good as sheva. Sheva who ? Just score the goals ... king.gif
Portman
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Milan After Young Brazilian - The Rossoneri are following Rafael Sobis.



Milan are currently searching for a striker who can replace Andriy Shevchenko upfront, with Ronaldo, Drogba and Iaquinta being the likely favourites.

However, in the meantime another player has entered the Rossoneri's shortlist and that is Rafael Sobis.

The 21-year-old is currently playing for International di Porto Alegre after a year with Corinthians.

GOAL.com


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@Nova, good post.
LaPalma
It seems, he's a quite promising player for the future. I really hope he'll sign with us. In the end the most important thing is, that we get a playing striker, Sobis seems to be one, and he's far away from the usual Milan transfer age biggrin.gif
Portman
Now channel4 link him with us. - Sobis next on Milan list

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug16e.html
Captain Ambro
I like that Milan are going after younger players. Rossi, Sobis, Torres and Tevez.
Is this the first step for a new Milan side? One can't help wondering...
X-Offender
QUOTE (Captain Ambro @ Aug 16 2006, 01:17 PM)
I like that Milan are going after younger players. Rossi, Sobis, Torres and Tevez.
Is this the first step for a new Milan side? One can't help wondering...
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Sorry to say this guys, but I highly doubt Milan are after Rossi, Tevez or even Sobis. That's just media speculation. I really hope I'm wrong, cause I wont of them more than you do.
Diavolo
I really hope we sign him. With him, Kaka and Gila we would have very energetic and young attack. I just hope that I won't be disapointed AGAIN (mostly after Zambrotta and Ibra)!
MILAN WAKE UP, BUY AND DON'T WAIT TOO LONG (WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AND WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR THE CL - because with players that we have now, we won't win scudetto - hope I am very wrong)!

It would be perfect if this year we buy Sobis and Ronaldo (better solution that Iaquinta) and sell Amoroso and Borriello, so that we would have two 1.strikers (box) Inzaghi, Gilardino and two 2.strikers Sobis and Ronaldo. Next year we sell Ronaldo (but if he performs well we can keep him for a season or two smile.gif ) and get Torres and the year after when Inzaghi retires we buy Huntelaar (box striker) from Ayax to replace Pippo.

2006/2007: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis, Ronaldo
2007/2008: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis, Torres (+Ronaldinho?)
2008/2009: Gilardino, Sobis, Torres, Huntelaar (+Ronaldinho)

With this we would have each season two 1. strikers and two 2. strikers with delux of Kaka, Gourcuff (in the first two seasons) and Ronaldinho (from the third on) in our attack.

Guys if we won't to win everything in each season we have to have 4 attackers and 2 offensive midfielders. CL, Scudetto and Coppa Italia (yes even that smile.gif ) = more than 60 games in one season, not including national games, injuries... - so we need so many attack mineded players.

p.s.: In addition to that we will HAVE TO BUY DEFENDERS, SOME MIDFIELDER AND A NEW GOALIE. In this 3 seasons I mean smile.gif!
LaPalma
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 16 2006, 02:04 PM)
Sorry to say this guys, but I highly doubt Milan are after Rossi, Tevez or even Sobis. That's just media speculation. I really hope I'm wrong, cause I wont of them more than you do.
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Yap...we're never going to get Tevez, Rossi or Torres. I don't know about Sobis, but I have a feeling he might be the surprise...
acluda
he could be just what the doctor ordered.....remember when kaka came over from brasil and he was "young and inexperienced". i would be glad to see him in the red and black
planck
QUOTE (Diavolo @ Aug 16 2006, 03:40 PM)
I really hope we sign him. With him, Kaka and Gila we would have very energetic and young attack. I just hope that I won't be disapointed AGAIN (mostly after Zambrotta and Ibra)!
MILAN WAKE UP, BUY AND DON'T WAIT TOO LONG (WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AND WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR THE CL - because with players that we have now, we won't win scudetto - hope I am very wrong)!

It would be perfect if this year we buy Sobis and Ronaldo (better solution that Iaquinta) and sell Amoroso and Borriello, so that we would have two 1.strikers (box) Inzaghi, Gilardino and two 2.strikers Sobis and Ronaldo. Next year we sell Ronaldo (but if he performs well we can keep him for a season or two smile.gif ) and get Torres and the year after when Inzaghi retires we buy Huntelaar (box striker) from Ayax to replace Pippo.

2006/2007: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis, Ronaldo
2007/2008: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis, Torres (+Ronaldinho?)
2008/2009: Gilardino, Sobis, Torres, Huntelaar (+Ronaldinho)

With this we would have each season two 1. strikers and two 2. strikers with delux of Kaka, Gourcuff (in the first two seasons) and Ronaldinho (from the third on) in our attack.

Guys if we won't to win everything in each season we have to have 4 attackers and 2 offensive midfielders. CL, Scudetto and Coppa Italia (yes even that smile.gif ) = more than 60 games in one season, not including national games, injuries... - so we need so many attack mineded players.

p.s.: In addition to that we will HAVE TO BUY DEFENDERS, SOME MIDFIELDER AND A NEW GOALIE. In this 3 seasons I mean smile.gif!
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If this come true, we'll be indestructable!!! king.gif
I don't know if you saw Huntelaar in Ajax's win over FC Copenhagen?
Captain Ambro
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 16 2006, 03:04 PM)
Sorry to say this guys, but I highly doubt Milan are after Rossi, Tevez or even Sobis. That's just media speculation. I really hope I'm wrong, cause I wont of them more than you do.
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Well, actually there hasn't been any rumour about Milan wanting Rossi, just that Rossi wanted to come to Milan, so I'd say the chances of him being a Milan-player for this season is about 0%.
Torres is a confirmed interest, and has been for a very long time(2-3 years), but I just can't see that deal happening. There's just way too many factors standing in the way.
Tevez is another player that I feel is a long shot. Can't see that transfer happening either, but then again there's still 2 weeks until the window closes and absolutely EVERYTHING can happen until then.
Then we have Sobis, which I actually believe is a valid rumour. Leonardo's great contacts in Brazil along with the similarity of Kakás transfer 3 years ago, are the things that make me believe the most. Plus, the proposed Ronaldo-deal has probably fallen apart, which I think will see Milan chase after Sobis.

Now, this is of course only my own thoughts and speculations...



@Diavolo:

I think you're underestimating the quality of this Milan-squad. To buy those kind of high quality attackers and having players like Sobis and Huntelaar on the bench for most of the season as you're suggesting, would just be wrong. And then you want to add Ronnie to those players? It would create disharmoni like h*ll within the squad.
In the future we surely need to buy some defenders to replace Maldini, Costacurta and possibly also Cafú but don't forget we have a lot of quality defenders already, even if some of them are closing in on retirement. I'd love to get a player like Gallas this summer, but if we didn't, it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world.
jbryant1
Milan have to do something.

Signing Iaquinta is not going to cut it. We need playmaking goal scorers.
Sobris, Torres, and Tevez are young and have potential.

Torres pretty much is already top notch but the price they want for him is crack prices.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Captain Ambro @ Aug 16 2006, 06:48 PM)
In the future we surely need to buy some defenders to replace Maldini, Costacurta and possibly also Cafú but don't forget we have a lot of quality defenders already, even if some of them are closing in on retirement. I'd love to get a player like Gallas this summer, but if we didn't, it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world.
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R you sure it wouldnt be the end of the world ?! Last season was a demonstration of how weak our defence looked like .. It wasn't up to par w/ what we have come to know as the solid Italian defence. Do you honestly think that the likes of Bonera and Favalli can keep Ronaldinho, Henry, Adriano, etc .. quite, not to mention Shevchenko .. ??

I think it would be the end of the world of 'competitive competitions' .. If we go on with (hurts to say this) Maldini and Costacurta as our reliable duo.

I like the Nesta and Kaladze partnership, but it's a long season and you never know what might happen as the season is long ..
KillerMax
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 16 2006, 02:29 PM)
R you sure it wouldnt be the end of the world ?! Last season was a demonstration of how weak our defence looked like .. It wasn't up to par w/ what we have come to know as the solid Italian defence. Do you honestly think that the likes of Bonera and Favalli can keep Ronaldinho, Henry, Adriano, etc .. quite, not to mention Shevchenko .. ??

I think it would be the end of the world of 'competitive competitions' .. If we go on with (hurts to say this) Maldini and Costacurta as our reliable duo.

I like the Nesta and Kaladze partnership, but it's a long season and you never know what might happen as the season is long ..
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If Maldini gets back to 100% again he will be the best in the world again... Who said Maldini is weak now? Forget his age, just look back at last season before he got injured... He was top notch! He just faded away after he got injured. With Nesta, Maldini, Bonera and Kaladze in our defence, I'm more than content for now! We will replace those who retire next season. No need to get all nervous now.
Our only weak point is our attack! We need to get a top notch striker and we will be more than fine for next season. Then we'll show the world who's boss! Bring it on! Forza Milan!
X-Offender
I think our defence is fine, but we absolutely need another right back, like Oddo for example. If we get him then we might aswell sell Simic to Torino or somewhere else and our defence should look like this:

RB: Cafu, Oddo
CB: Nesta, Kaladze, Maldini, Costacurta, Favalli, Bonera
LB: Serghino, Jankulovski

Not to mention that Bonera can play in the right wing just like Favalli and Kaladze can play in the left one in case of emergency.
KillerMax
38 goals in 131 games.... hmm... That's not very impressive... unsure.gif Torres has scored twice that amount in almost same apps. Now that's why I want Torres! This guy could be our 4th striker.
GULLIVER
I'd say I liked how he plays. That's pretty much what we need today. So let's take him, may be he'll have fortune of Kaka!
X-Offender
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 07:03 AM)
38 goals in 131 games.... hmm... That's not very impressive... unsure.gif Torres has scored twice that amount in almost same apps. Now that's why I want Torres! This guy could be our 4th striker.
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No, if we'll sign him then he'll definitely be our first striker. I saw him last night and he was pretty impressive.
Portman
I'm hearing a debate on TV Record (Brazillian TV)... some famous soccer commentators, and one said that 1 agent from Milan is now flying to Porto Alegre in Brazil to sign Rafael Sobis for 12M-euros.

I don't know if this is for real, or b/s...
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 10:43 AM)
I'm hearing a debate on TV Record (Brazillian TV)... some famous soccer commentators, and one said that 1 agent from Milan is now flying to Porto Alegre in Brazil to sign Rafael Sobis for 12M-euros.

I don't know if this is for real, or b/s...
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Probably true by the sounds of it. But not sure if they will reach an agreement.
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 04:58 PM)
Probably true by the sounds of it. But not sure if they will reach an agreement.
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His agent confirmed that on last February/March, Milan made a offer of 8M-euros for him but Internacional reject it.

I think 12-15... would be suitable.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 11:06 AM)
His agent confirmed that on last February/March, Milan made a offer of 8M-euros for him but Internacional reject it.

I think 12-15... would be suitable.
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I really don't think he is worth that much! I really really don't! When Liverpool can sign Kuyt for 9 million, then IMO Sobis is not worth more than 8. I'm still confused why we didn't go after Kuyt. He could become our next big striker. Just take a look at his scoring record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Kuyt
GULLIVER
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 09:13 PM)
I really don't think he is worth that much! I really really don't! When Liverpool can sign Kuyt for 9 million, then IMO Sobis is not worth more than 8. I'm still confused why we didn't go after Kuyt. He could become our next big striker. Just take a look at his scoring record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Kuyt
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why do you always talk about scoring records??? cool.gif
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 05:13 PM)
I really don't think he is worth that much! I really really don't! When Liverpool can sign Kuyt for 9 million, then IMO Sobis is not worth more than 8. I'm still confused why we didn't go after Kuyt. He could become our next big striker. Just take a look at his scoring record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Kuyt
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Kuyt is b/s. Against big teams he's a zero. I don't even think he's a player for Liverpool...

And you can't compare a brazillian to a dutch. And a 21 to a 26 yo foward...

For me, Sobis >>> Kuyt. Really. Anytime.
Portman
QUOTE
AC Milan eyeing Internacional star Sobis
tribalfooball.com - August 17, 2006

AC Milan are being linked with Internacional de Porto Alegre striker Rafael Sobis.

The 21 year-old has just fired Internacional to success in this year's Copa Libertadores and is now ready to move to Europe.

Internacional are seeking £7 million for Sobis, whose agent was a frequent visitor to Milan last season where talks with both Inter and AC Milan were held.


£7 million = 10,5 million Euros rolleyes.gif
felipe_el_chileno
£15 million for Sorbis, £20 million for Tevez and £4 million for Oddo and we´re ready to kick some Chelski A-S-S!!
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 11:48 AM)
£7 million = 10,5 million Euros  rolleyes.gif
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lol pounds... my mistake. biggrin.gif Why do I look at scoring records? Because that's what you look at when you buy a striker? Just look at all the big strikers in the world, they all have a similar goal scoring record! And then look at some of the not so great strikers, they have a smiliar record too. I think Sobis is somewhere in between. Anyways, all things considered my choice is Torres > Tevez > Sobis
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 05:55 PM)
lol pounds... my mistake. biggrin.gif Why do I look at scoring records? Because that's what you look at when you buy a striker? Just look at all the big strikers in the world, they all have a similar goal scoring record! And then look at some of the not so great strikers, they have a smiliar record too. I think Sobis is somewhere in between. Anyways, all things considered my choice is Torres > Tevez > Sobis
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I think it depends. At the moment we don't need a pure in-box striker. Those are who score "a lot", like Trezeguet, Nistelrooy... etc

We need someone to help Gilardino or Pippo. And obviously who can score too... but, not only that.

You shouldn't go by scoring records. If everybody was like that, they'll think that Pauleta is a very good striker, when he's pure b/s... the worst striker I have ever seen.
GULLIVER
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 10:08 PM)
I think it depends. At the moment we don't need a pure in-box striker. Those are who score "a lot", like Trezeguet, Nistelrooy... etc

We need someone to help Gilardino or Pippo. And obviously who can score too... but, not only that.

You shouldn't go by scoring records. If everybody was like that, they'll think that Pauleta is a very good striker, when he's pure b/s... the worst striker I have ever seen.
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exactly
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 12:08 PM)
I think it depends. At the moment we don't need a pure in-box striker. Those are who score "a lot", like Trezeguet, Nistelrooy... etc

We need someone to help Gilardino or Pippo. And obviously who can score too... but, not only that.

You shouldn't go by scoring records. If everybody was like that, they'll think that Pauleta is a very good striker, when he's pure b/s... the worst striker I have ever seen.
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Well Sheva was our 'not-in-box' striker and he was our top scorer too. You make a good point with Pauleta, but I'm afraid Sobis can't score as much as we expect him to. I'm in no position to judge him, since I don't know him well enough, but looking at his scoring record, he is definitely not as lethal as Sheva and we lost Sheva. You see what I mean?
X-Offender
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 07:23 PM)
Well Sheva was our 'not-in-box' striker and he was our top scorer too. You make a good point with Pauleta, but I'm afraid Sobis can't score as much as we expect him to. I'm in no position to judge him, since I don't know him well enough, but looking at his scoring record, he is definitely not as lethal as Sheva and we lost Sheva. You see what I mean?
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Messi doesn't and will never have the same scoring record Sheva has, but that doesn't make him an inferior player.
KillerMax
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2006, 12:33 PM)
Messi doesn't and will never have the same scoring record Sheva has, but that doesn't make him an inferior player.
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Sure as hell does. That's why Sheva was the best in the world when he was with us. He did almost everything. Messi might be fun to watch, but he doesn't have the same impact as Sheva. At least not yet. Sheva and Henry are two complete strikers who can almost do anything and that's why they are regarded as the best. Messi has time and he will definitely become very important, but in a Maradona way, not in a Van Basten way, if you catch my drift. wink.gif
Portman
BREAKING NEWS IN BRAZIL

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Sobis pode ser vendido nesta quinta
Empresário do jovem atacante confirma a negociação com o Milan


http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/...16-4410,00.html


Translating... "Sobis can be sold THIS THURSDAY"

"His agent confirmed Milan negotiations... but no deal yet. Can be really soon."

"Some Milan agent were last night at the stadium watching Libertadores final and were delighted by Sobis"

"Another source says that Milan will buy him for 8M-euros"
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 12:44 PM)
BREAKING NEWS IN BRAZIL
Translating... "Sobis can be sold THIS THURSDAY"

"His agent confirmed Milan negotiations... but no deal yet. Can be really soon."

"Some Milan agent were last night at the stadium watching Libertadores final and were delighted by Sobis"

"Another source says that Milan will buy him for 8M-euros"
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Great news! Sounds like he will be ours soon! smile.gif
Captain Ambro
Dunga has picked Sobis for the two friendlies against Argentina and Wales in the beginning of september. That's really something!
KillerMax
QUOTE (Captain Ambro @ Aug 17 2006, 01:08 PM)
Dunga has picked Sobis for the two friendlies against Argentina and Wales in the beginning of september. That's really something!
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Yeah, considering he left out Adriano and Ronaldo.
Portman
QUOTE (Captain Ambro @ Aug 17 2006, 07:08 PM)
Dunga has picked Sobis for the two friendlies against Argentina and Wales in the beginning of september. That's really something!
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Yup. He deserves it. Dunga is doing a revolution on the NT. I agree. Brazil needs that.

But he was a regular presence on the under-21 and that:

dudernahata
this guy looks promising
Portman
QUOTE
Milan: quasi fatta per il brasiliano Sobis
22:01 del 17 agosto : Calciomercato.com

Momento magico per Rafael Sobis. Dopo aver vinto la Coppa Libertadores in finale contro il San Paolo, l'attaccante brasiliano è ormai prossimo al trasferimento in Europa.
In pole position per il suo acquisto c'è il Milan. Nelle prossime ore si terrà l'incontro decisivo tra i rossoneri ed i dirigenti dell'Internacional. Se tutto andrà per il verso giusto, l'annuncio ufficiale potrebbe anche arrivare nella giornata di venerdì.

Il presidente del club brasiliano di Porto Alegre, Fernando Carvalho ha dichiarato: "Non abbiamo già venduto il giocatore, ma ci sono dei contatti".


Translation:

"Milan: Sobis deal - almost done"

"In the next few hours, it will be a meeting Internacional-Milan to seal the deal"

"It can be official by tomorrow (Friday)"

Internacional President's "We haven't sold the player, but we're having contacts"
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