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KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 04:36 PM)
Translation:

"Milan: Sobis deal - almost done"

"In the next few hours, it will be a meeting Internacional-Milan to seal the deal"

"It can be official by tomorrow (Friday)"

Internacional President's "We haven't sold the player, but we're having contacts"

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So this is almost a done deal?

So it will be like Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Amoroso? I'm still not convinced! I heard Sobis is really good but he is more of a winger... If we manage to get him and Tevez or him and Torres then I will be a happy man!
LaPalma
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 10:36 PM)
Translation:

"Milan: Sobis deal - almost done"

"In the next few hours, it will be a meeting Internacional-Milan to seal the deal"

"It can be official by tomorrow (Friday)"

Internacional President's "We haven't sold the player, but we're having contacts"

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Good news. Although I've never seen him actually play, the compilation of him and his goals I've seen seem very promising. I hope he'll manage to adapt to European football soon ( IF this really is not a rumour...). He's definetely a better choice than the old Fatnaldo!
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 18 2006, 12:42 AM)
So this is almost a done deal?

So it will be like Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Amoroso? I'm still not convinced! I heard Sobis is really good but he is more of a winger... If we manage to get him and Tevez or him and Torres then I will be a happy man!
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Yea , I agree with you Sobis still a gamble and they are talking also with Tevez agents. So I think it's likely to be Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Tevez .
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 10:55 PM)
Yea , I agree with you Sobis still a gamble and they are talking also with Tevez agents. So I think it's likely to be Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Tevez .
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That'll be amazing but I doubt on Tevez. He's too much $$$... I really doubt Milan will give 18-25M for him.

I just hope they kick Amoroso out of Milano.

At least this: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis and Borriello.

If you are right, and we get Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Tevez... I'll have champagne at 31st August dinner. That will be superb. biggrin.gif
misha
Carintians wants 19M euro for Tevez. I think it's fair. It's leaves enough for Oddo and Sobis
adooooo
We are only allowed to buy one player that is not from an EU-country.
So both Tevez and Sobis at the same season is almost impossible.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 05:00 PM)
That'll be amazing but I doubt on Tevez. He's too much $$$... I really doubt Milan will give 18-25M for him.

I just hope they kick Amoroso out of Milano.

At least this: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Sobis and Borriello.

If you are right, and we get Pippo, Gila, Sobis, Tevez... I'll have champagne at 31st August dinner. That will be superb. biggrin.gif
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Amoroso>Borriello
Boriello is 24 and he still hasn't done anything! I don't like Amoroso either, but he does have pretty good technique and vision. If we get Sobis and Tevez together, I will simply shut up! I will never criticise the Milan transfer policy again. Here is my word! smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (adooooo @ Aug 17 2006, 11:11 PM)
We are only allowed to buy one player that is not from an EU-country.
So both Tevez and Sobis at the same season is almost impossible.
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Are you sure? Hum...
KillerMax
QUOTE (adooooo @ Aug 17 2006, 05:11 PM)
We are only allowed to buy one player that is not from an EU-country.
So both Tevez and Sobis at the same season is almost impossible.
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Almost impossible? Can someone clear this up?

Well I guess if this is true then I want Torres!
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 11:12 PM)
Amoroso>Borriello
Boriello is 24 and he still hasn't done anything! I don't like Amoroso either, but he does have pretty good technique and vision. If we get Sobis and Tevez together, I will simply shut up! I will never criticise the Milan transfer policy again. Here is my word! smile.gif
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But Amoroso is damn old. I want someone who runs. At least run. rolleyes.gif

And yes. If we get Tevez+Sobis pack I'll never criticise our board transfer-politic again. biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 18 2006, 01:14 AM)
Almost impossible? Can someone clear this up?

Well I guess if this is true then I want Torres!
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We can't sign two players with non EU-country passport but Sobis has Ukrainian passport so I think it's o.k
adooooo
Yeah i am 99% sure it is like that.
The only way we could bring both of them at the same season would be if one of them has an EU-membership.
KillerMax
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 05:18 PM)
We can't sign two players with non EU-country passport but Sobis has Ukrainian passport so I think it's o.k
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What the?? Ukranian passport? A blond Brazilian with blue eyes and a Ukranian passport playing for an Italian club... It's a bit funny. biggrin.gif
jbryant1
Hopefully we can pull off two in the Sobis, Tevez and Torres speculation.

Good thing is that were rebuilding with youth.

We need fresh blood with a winning spirit.

Ronaldo's about Ronaldo--He's lost his edge---He's very injury prone as well. Luxa bet big on him at Real last season and he got injured.
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 11:18 PM)
We can't sign two players with non EU-country passport but Sobis has Ukrainian passport so I think it's o.k
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What'a? Is that true? unsure.gif

Maybe he got Sheva's passport. biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 18 2006, 01:23 AM)
What'a? Is that true?  unsure.gif
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Yea ,he has Ukrainian heritage
han2503
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 11:40 PM)
Yea ,he has Ukrainian heritage
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Really this is starting to get freakish wink.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 05:40 PM)
Yea ,he has Ukrainian heritage
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How about an American wife? And a hidden desire to learn English?

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Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Aug 17 2006, 11:40 PM)
Yea ,he has Ukrainian heritage
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Are you sure? Any source?

'cause I though he was a real 100% brazillian. Well... he paints(<- NOT PAINTS, IT'S DYE!) his hair with yellow... but still brazillian. biggrin.gif
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 18 2006, 01:52 AM)
How about an American wife? And a hidden desire to learn English?

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han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 11:53 PM)
Are you sure? Any source?

'cause I though he was a real 100% brazillian. Well... he paints his hair with yellow... but still brazillian.  biggrin.gif
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Paints, LOL that's the first time I heard that being said about dyde hair
misha
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 18 2006, 01:53 AM)
Are you sure? Any source?

'cause I though he was a real 100% brazillian. Well... he paints his hair with yellow... but still brazillian.  biggrin.gif
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I'm originally from Ukraine so I have read that on ukrainian sites. One time Dinamo Kiev wanted to sign him and Ukraine wanted to recruit him
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 05:53 PM)
Are you sure? Any source?

'cause I though he was a real 100% brazillian. Well... he paints his hair with yellow... but still brazillian.  biggrin.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif He paints his hair! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Sorry Portugal, that's just too funny! tongue.gif
You mean he colors his hair, or he dyes it.
Portman
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 17 2006, 11:58 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif He paints his hair! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
Sorry Portugal, that's just too funny! tongue.gif
You mean he colors his hair, or he dyes it.
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I'm no english teacher. I basically know some English, Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese. (That's why I translate...)

It's not many langs, but I do what I can.

Sometimes... sh#t happens. Well, the important thing is understand what the person is saying. biggrin.gif

PS: I forget that word: dye. wink.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 06:04 PM)
I'm no english teacher. I basically know some English, Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese. (That's why I translate...)

It's not many langs, but I do what I can.

Sometimes... sh#t happens. Well, the important thing is understand what the person is saying. biggrin.gif

PS: I forget that word: dye.  wink.gif
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It's all cool man! wink.gif There is only 1 portugal!
han2503
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 18 2006, 12:04 AM)
I'm no english teacher. I basically know some English, Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese. (That's why I translate...)

It's not many langs, but I do what I can.

Sometimes... sh#t happens. Well, the important thing is understand what the person is saying. biggrin.gif

PS: I forget that word: dye.  wink.gif
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Not a lot ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

I barely know how to speak my own language and English, let alone all those languages you mentioned. I took French for 5 years at school and all I learned was J'amapelle and Alloz
Portman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 18 2006, 12:12 AM)
Not a lot  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif

I barely know how to speak my own language and English, let alone all those languages you mentioned. I took French for 5 years at school and all I learned was J'amapelle and Alloz
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I just made a basic mistake: translating portuguese to english... without sense or rules.
In portuguese we only use 1 word for that: "paint"... not dye or something...

WELL, BACK TO THE TOPIC

I'm sure, today, Friday we'll get some more info about Sobis-Milan deal. I hope some official news. cool.gif
KillerMax
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Rafael Sobis is passing through a great personal moment as he just managed to win the Copa Libertadores and is on the verge of moving to Milan.

The Rossoneri are expected to hold a final meeting with the directors of International and the official announcement of the transfer could be given even this weekend.

The President of the Brazilian club, Fernando Carvalho, also confirmed that Sobis is on his way out.

"We did not yet sell the player, but there are already contacts."

Goal.com
Diavolo
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CALCIOMERCATO:
Milan: ecco Sobis, settimana prossima Oddo

10:00 del 18 agosto

Il Milan ha praticamente raggiunto l'accordo per l'acquisto di Rafael Sobis dall'Internacional di Porto Alegre sulla base di 10 milioni di euro. Restano da definire solo alcuni dettagli, la giovane seconda punta brasiliana arriverà in Italia nei prossimi giorni.

Settimana prossima anche Massimo Oddo vestirà la maglia rossonera. L'arrivo del laterale destro della Lazio è ormai sicuro, le due società si incontreranno per individuare la contropartita tecnica adeguata: si parla di Foggia o Bonera.

In uscita il portiere Coppola andrà a Livorno oppure a Parma, mentre il centrocampista svizzero Vogel verso l'Inghilterra (Manchester United o Blackburn).




(Gazzetta dello Sport)


In a few words - Sobis is practicaly ours for 10 mil. euros. There are just some minor details to be sorted. He will come to Italy in the next few days.

The next week also Oddo is coming to Milan. The two clubs have reached the agreement, there it's just to define who will be given to Lazio (they are talking about Foggia or Bonera - I HOPE NON OF THEM).

Coppola is ready to leave for Livorno or Parma, Vogel to England (Manu or Blackburn).
Portman
Today Corriere and Gazzetta talk about this deal:
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Friday 18 August
Gazzetta dello Sport
Sobis, a little phenomenon for Milan

Corriere dello Sport
Milan after Sobis
Galliani blocks the Brazilian attacker of Internacional di Porto Alegre.


Go! cool.gif Galliani Go!
Portman
QUOTE
Milan: ecco Sobis, settimana prossima Oddo

10:00 del 18 agosto Calciomercato.com

Il Milan ha praticamente raggiunto l'accordo per l'acquisto di Rafael Sobis dall'Internacional di Porto Alegre sulla base di 10 milioni di euro. Restano da definire solo alcuni dettagli, la giovane seconda punta brasiliana arriverà in Italia nei prossimi giorni.

Settimana prossima anche Massimo Oddo vestirà la maglia rossonera. L'arrivo del laterale destro della Lazio è ormai sicuro, le due società si incontreranno per individuare la contropartita tecnica adeguata: si parla di Foggia o Bonera.

In uscita il portiere Coppola andrà a Livorno oppure a Parma, mentre il centrocampista svizzero Vogel verso l'Inghilterra (Manchester United o Blackburn).

(Gazzetta dello Sport)


"It's almost done the deal Milan-Sobis, only a few details. It will cost 10M-euros"
"He'll arrive on the next days in Milano"
"Next week, it's all for Oddo. Maybe Foggia or Bonera in the deal"
"Coppola maybe on his way for Livorno or Parma, and Vogel to England"


PS: Diavolo was quicker than me... cool.gif
florenti1
I hope MILAN are well inspired as they have been when they transfered Kaka

Did he play in the 2nd leg of copa libertadores final?
Portman
QUOTE (florenti1 @ Aug 18 2006, 10:00 AM)
I hope MILAN are well inspired as they have been when they transfered Kaka

Did he play in the 2nd leg of copa libertadores final?
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Yep. It was a good match for him. He played nice.
Portman
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Milan close in on Sobis 
Friday 18 August, 2006

Milan are closing in on Internacional Porto Alegre striker Rafael Sobis, widespread reports in Italy are suggesting.

The Rossoneri have yet to replace Andriy Shevchenko and have targeted the 21-year-old who recently scored twice against Sao Paulo to net his club the Copa Libertadores.

Sobis, who has been selected by Brazil boss Carlos Dunga for ties against Argentina and Wales, is a former Under-20 international and is considered one of Brazil’s best talents.

Sobis prefers to play as a second striker but could be flanked by Kaka in a 4-3-2-1 formation which Rossoneri Coach Carlo Ancelotti seems keen on using this season.

Sobis was paired with an Inter transfer in November 2005, but the Nerazzurri could not reach an agreement with his Brazilian club.

The player’s agent also contacted Milan in January yet the outfit decided to wait rather than part with the £10.7m transfer fee requested.

Now, after losing the race to sign Hernan Crespo and Zlatan Ibrahimovic to city rivals Inter, the Rossoneri intend to make a bid for the South American who is currently valued at £7m.

Although Internacional President Fernando Carvalho has denied that anything has been agreed, the forward seems on his way out.

"We have not yet sold the player, but there has been contact,” he is quoted as saying on Friday morning.

Milan are also planning further summer transfers, but much will depend on the result of their Champions League third qualifying round match against Red Star Belgrade, which they currently lead 1-0.

If the Rossoneri qualify for the Champions League group stage then they will most probably move to sign Fernando Torres of Atletico Madrid or Udinese’s Vincenzo Iaquinta.

channel4.com
GULLIVER
Milan is always inspired.

FORZA MILAN
LaPalma
Good news so far. Took them some time to get into the action on the transfer market, but with Sobis and Oddo we'll get some player that will really help us.
I just hope we won't give/loan Bonera in the deal sad.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Aug 18 2006, 02:21 PM)
I just hope we won't give/loan Bonera in the deal sad.gif
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Dont think Milan bought him to get rid of him ..
Portman
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Atacante Sobis pode ser companheiro de Kaká no Milan
Publicado em 18.08.2006, às 10h20

Um dos heróis da conquista da América, Rafael Sobis dificilmente vestirá a camisa do Inter no Mundial Interclubes. Um emissário do Milan está em Porto Alegre tratando do assunto e o Valencia também tem interesse no atacante.

... http://jc.uol.com.br/2006/08/18/not_117745.php


Another new from Brazil.

They're saying that Milan will probably close the deal today, and Valencia is trying to him too.

His agent "In the beginning of the year, (January market) Milan almost got him for 12M but he got injuried on that time, and the transfer was cancelled"

The reporter asked if Milan will buy him now, but will only get him on January:
"No. That's not true. When you buy a Ferrari, you would like to drive it on the next day. And Sobis is a Ferrari."

Another player that they say Milan is looking for is Edu Dracena from Cruzeiro, a defender.
Portman
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Sobis-Milan, Cafu 'Grandissimo giocatore'

17:02 del 18 agosto - Calciomercato.com

Rafael Sobis pare essere il nuovo target del mercato rossonero, ecco il parere di Cafu: “Lo conosco bene, e` un grandissimo giocatore, voi lo conoscete solo ora che ha fatto la finale di Libertadores, ma e` un giocatore che ha fatto bene, tant’e` che e` stato convocato in nazionale. E’ un centrocampista, una seconda punta, non una prima punta”.


Cafu talking about Sobis:

"Great player", "He is a good player, otherwise he'll not be on the NT", "It's a second foward, not a first-foward... not a pure in-box striker"
planck
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 18 2006, 03:31 PM)
Another new from Brazil.

They're saying that Milan will probably close the deal today, and Valencia is trying to him too.

His agent "In the beginning of the year, (January market) Milan almost got him for 12M but he got injuried on that time, and the transfer was cancelled"

The reporter asked if Milan will buy him now, but will only get him on January:
"No. That's not true. When you buy a Ferrari, you would like to drive it on the next day. And Sobis is a Ferrari."

Another player that they say Milan is looking for is Edu Dracena from Cruzeiro, a defender.

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Sobis is a Ferrari! tongue.gif
Guido_Diavolo
I told this in a previous post(http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1400&hl=sobis), he plays for the club I suport over here in Brazil, and yes he is a great player, I´m sad because he won't be here when Inter face Barça in december unsure.gif(yes, Inter won from São Paulo), but happy cuz' Inter need to sell him($$$$$$$$), so sell to Milan devilsmiley.gif my other passion.
Like Cafu said he is not a in-box striker(Milan have Inzaghi and Gila so...), but he has a powerfull shot and is very quick.
Rossoneri7
What Cafu had to say about Sobis .. From: acmilan.com

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CAFU: ’We’ll play our game at the Marakana’
8/18/2006

MILANELLO - Marcos also covered the transfer market and the possible arrival of compatriot Rafael Sobis: ’I know him well and he’s a really great player, he’s known for what he has done in the Cup Liberadores now but he’s done well and been called up to the national side. He’s a midfielder and support striker, but not an out-and-out striker.’  As for the new Brazil coach, Marcos respects his choice; ’Dunga was a great player, a great captain and give everyone a lift, now he’s looking to bring that to the national side. We have plenty of time and have to respect his choices.’ Returning to Tuesday’s game: ’We have to play our own game at the Marakana. The atmosphere will be really hot and they will be looking for their fans to help them.’
dst
QUOTE (Guido_Diavolo @ Aug 18 2006, 07:35 PM)
I told this in a previous post
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Yeah I remember you!!!! and that post of yours ... thanks!!!! smile.gif
psgpanama
QUOTE (Portugal @ Aug 17 2006, 12:08 PM)
I think it depends. At the moment we don't need a pure in-box striker. Those are who score "a lot", like Trezeguet, Nistelrooy... etc

We need someone to help Gilardino or Pippo. And obviously who can score too... but, not only that.

You shouldn't go by scoring records. If everybody was like that, they'll think that Pauleta is a very good striker, when he's pure b/s... the worst striker I have ever seen.
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honestly, i do not agree at all with that... what is the function of the striker?? what is he getting paid to do?? To score goals.. he can be disruptive (like robinho) but if he doesnt score or at least set up assits for someone else score, what is the purpose of having him as a striker?? he can run and try to fight whatever he wants, but if he does not score, why is he there? and i would like to get an explanation why pauleta is not a good striker.. he's doing what he's getting paid to do.. to score goals!!! nothing else.. i would like to get an explanation from portugal on what he considers a good striker is, and why he thinks pauleta is the worst striker he has ever seen..
Portman
QUOTE (psgpanama @ Aug 20 2006, 11:39 AM)
honestly, i do not agree at all with that... what is the function of the striker?? what is he getting paid to do?? To score goals.. he can be disruptive (like robinho) but if he doesnt score or at least set up assits for someone else score, what is the purpose of having him as a striker?? he can run and try to fight whatever he wants, but if he does not score, why is he there? and i would like to get an explanation why pauleta is not a good striker.. he's doing what he's getting paid to do.. to score goals!!! nothing else.. i would like to get an explanation from portugal on what he considers a good striker is, and why he thinks pauleta is the worst striker he has ever seen..
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First of all. I'm portuguese, and I know Pauleta very well. He can "superrrrrrrrrrr" (what the french love to say) in PSG. But in the NT, in a World Cup, in a Euro, in a big competion he's a zero.

If you statistic... I'll give 1 example: Portugal got to the Euro 2004 final (and lost). So, Portugal did what? 6/7 matches? Did you know the Pauleta's scoring record on that tornament? 4 SHOTS! 4 SHOTS! 4 SHOTS from the ONLY striker on the first 11. And he played almost every match.

And in this World Cup. 1 goal vs. a BIG TEAM like Angola, and the others? Nuno Gomes is like 5 times better than him. He played 20min vs. Germany and scored. Pauleta played all the other matches and scored 1 without the keeper on the goal.

It's pathetic. If you're a PSG fan, I'll understand you. In France he's very well know, he's the king of the scorers. But believe, here in Portugal everybody hates him. He's pure crap.

And yes, the striker job is to score goals. But in Pauleta's case, the problem is that he only able to score or create chances vs. Luxembourg, Liechnstein, San Marino... those big teams. rolleyes.gif

Hugo Almeida (Bremen), Nuno Gomes (Benfica), and maybe Postiga (FC Porto) are WAY better than the PSG's striker.
YoungGun
I have watched Pauleta for years and totaly agree with what Portugal said.
aaron
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 20 2006, 04:15 PM)
I have watched Pauleta for years and totaly agree with what Portugal said.
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why is top goal scorer for portugal national team then???????
:devil: :devil: i don't understand this
han2503
People on other boards keep saying that Sobis has signed for Valencia, I checked their official site and so far there aren't any offiacial announcements about him joining them


if this is true then I really don't know what to say anymore.
han2503
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Sobis, il Milan lo snobba e lui va al Racing

19:23 del 21 agosto

Rafael Sobis, che sarebbe dovuto finire al Milan prima che i rossoneri bloccassero tutto, ha annunciato che la prossima stagione giocherà in Spagna. Al Racing Santander. L'attaccante, secondo quanto riportato dalla stampa brasiliana, dice "So cosa devo fare. Ho mantenuto le promesse che ho fatto sulla coppa Libertadores. Ora è arrivato il momento di andare via". Il nome di Sobis è stato accostato anche a Valencia e Siviglia.


This is from calciomercato, does it say that Sobithat he will be going to Racing
misha
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 21 2006, 07:45 PM)
This is from calciomercato, does it say that Sobithat he will be going to Racing
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From what I undarstand it says that he was on his way to Milan and then we stop the deal. Now he desided to play in Spain for Racing
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