[Ry4n]

Back-off? I asked what was your problem with Montella's words. Control your manners.

Your funny mate jog on thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) and i told you i have no problem with them. You need to calm down.

This post has been edited by Ry4n: Aug 18 2017, 02:07 AM

[han2503]

Regarding Conti, I think it's unfair to say that he did nothing when he was directly involved in 2 goals

Look at his 2 crosses which resulted in goals compared to the cross Abate made for the other goal. Abate just smashes it across the line (as he usually does) while Conti pulls off 2 smart cut-backs

I think he'll take some time to get used to playing in a back 4. He wasn't great but he's shown how effective he can be. I really do think we should go with 3 at the back once Romagnoli returns

[Fillipo Simone]

I tend to agree that a trequartista isn't just simply synonymous to an attacking midfielder. And well, who's better to judge then Montella when Çalhanoğlu is in question?

The problem with Çalhanoğlu is that he (at least this is what I remember from his HSV/Leverkusen days) tends to be nervous and lazy. He simply lacks the speed to play a modern trequartista, at least in the modern context. He might have done it for Leverkusen, but many fans agree that Çalhanoğlu actually better suits a deeper down midfield role. Now, this position is locked by Biglia and Monto, so I admit I'm a bit perplexed when it comes to the position Montella plans to deploy Çalhanoğlu, but...

[han2503]

I tend to agree that a trequartista isn't just simply synonymous to an attacking midfielder. And well, who's better to judge then Montella when �alhanoğlu is in question?

The problem with �alhanoğlu is that he (at least this is what I remember from his HSV/Leverkusen days) tends to be nervous and lazy. He simply lacks the speed to play a modern trequartista, at least in the modern context. He might have done it for Leverkusen, but many fans agree that �alhanoğlu actually better suits a deeper down midfield role. Now, this position is locked by Biglia and Monto, so I admit I'm a bit perplexed when it comes to the position Montella plans to deploy �alhanoğlu, but...

I think he'd do well in the Seedorf role from when we played the 4-3-2-1 or he can play in the trequartista role if we play with 3 at the back

Anyway, I think trequartista and attacking midfielder are different in terms off how they're applied on the pitch as well. The 1 in the hole when playing a 4-3-1-2 is different to the middle player in the 3 behind the striker if a 4-2-3-1

I think Hakan can pull of the 2nd role but I'm sceptical if he could do it in the first.

With a 4-3-2-1 it's not as defined as a 4-3-1-2, I think Seedorf for example pulled that off but he could never really pull of the role Kaka played in the 4-3-1-2, he lacked the speed and instinct in and around the box

For me, i think the best systems we could play would be

4-2-3-1

Conti--Bonucci--Musa/Roma--Rodriguez
Kessie--Biglia
Suso--Hakan--Bona
Silva/ST

4-3-2-1

Conti--Bonucci--Musa/Roma--Rodriguez
Kessie--Biglia--Bona
Suso--Hakan
Silva/ST

3-4-1-2

Musacchio--Bonucci--Romagnoli
Conti--Kessie--Biglia--Rodriguez
Hakan
Silva--ST

[X-Offender]

A trequartista is somebody who plays behind the strikers. An attacking midfielder is somebody who plays behind the strikers. If you wanna get all bloody technical on the difference between the two then be my guest. But bear in mind that even if you search for Rui Costa or Kaka' on the internet they'll both be labeled as AMs, because trequartista is a term that's only used in Italy.

My point is that we do not lack an attacking midfielder, because both Bona and Hakan, and even Suso for that matter can play behind the strikers. Obviously Bona and Suso are more comfortable on the wings, whereas Hakan is more comfortable in the center. Hence why I think 4-2-3-1 is ideal in our case. Too bad Montella is too stubborn to realize that and keeps using his beloved 4-3-3. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[X-Offender]

In his defence you did sound hostile!

Oh god. I swear people get butthurt on these forums with the slightest comment.

[Ry4n]

Oh god. I swear people get butthurt on these forums with the slightest comment.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Danny]

Oh god. I swear people get butthurt on these forums with the slightest comment.

I didn't! You weren't even talking to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Danny]

A trequartista is somebody who plays behind the strikers. An attacking midfielder is somebody who plays behind the strikers. If you wanna get all bloody technical on the difference between the two then be my guest.

Welcome to Milanfan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

But bear in mind that even if you search for Rui Costa or Kaka' on the internet they'll both be labeled as AMs, because trequartista is a term that's only used in Italy.

And also because those terms barely exist any more.

My point is that we do not lack an attacking midfielder, because both Bona and Hakan, and even Suso for that matter can play behind the strikers. Obviously Bona and Suso are more comfortable on the wings, whereas Hakan is more comfortable in the center. Hence why I think 4-2-3-1 is ideal in our case. Too bad Montella is too stubborn to realize that and keeps using his beloved 4-3-3. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Bona is more comfortable on the wings? I wouldn't agree there.

[Ry4n]

I didn't! You weren't even talking to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

collateral damage

[X-Offender]

Bona is more comfortable on the wings? I wouldn't agree there.

In an attacking position? Yes. Never really seen him play as AM behind the strikers. He was either the left winger in Atalanta's 4-4-2 or in our 4-3-3.

I guess you're arguing if he's more comfortable in midfield or attack. That's debatable, because Jack is a very versatile player that can play anywhere you put him. But since we want Montella to drop the 4-3-3 formation, then it only makes sense to play Jack on the left in the attacking midfield, with Suso on the right and Hakan behind the striker. Catch my drift?

[han2503]

Bona is more comfortable on the wings? I wouldn't agree there.

He's definitely more comfortable in wider areas rather than centrally

[Danny]

He's definitely more comfortable in wider areas rather than centrally

I'd argue he's more comfortable with the freedom to choose. Don't restrict him to either and he knows where to be useful at any given time.

[han2503]

I'd argue he's more comfortable with the freedom to choose. Don't restrict him to either and he knows where to be useful at any given time.

For me, he's more effective when starting wide and cutting in. He tends to get lost in the shuffle when starting from more central areas imo

[X-Offender]

Crotone topic anyone?