[Fillipo Simone]

What troubles me is that you guys label our comments as "idealistic" and "simplistic". Not directly, but surely I can read between the lines.

Perhaps you guys don't understand the concept of being an Interista. For me it's the epitome of failure, the total opposite of what Milan represents (successful or not). It also makes me more suspicious to things or people linked with them: for every Pirlo there are plenty of Brocchi's, for every Seedorf plenty of Mancini's and for every Šimić a Silvestre now and then.

But I find it funny that at the same time my simplistic views (and direct questions) are being dismissed, other presumptions are being made that are as idealistic or simplistic as the one I supposedly made. Again, I'm not so happy with the fact that by now, 3 or 4 ex-Inter names are being supposedly linked or signed by Milan. Why? Because I don't think working at Inter is necessarily a very good reference. But it surely is a convenient fact and a very easy solution. I'm rather unimpressed with the likes of Fassone or Mirabelli, that's about it.

[Fillipo Simone]

From what I can understand, certain legends who have been offered positions turned them down because they were expecting bigger roles. I think it would be a mistake to simply appoint someone into a high position because they were once world class players and have legendary status at the club because of being players. You have to work your way up from somewhere, and just like it was a mistake to appoint Seedorf, Pippo and Brocchi as coaches simply because they were past players, this would be too.

Also, I don't get why you guys would already come down so harshly on people who have done nothing so far with us. At this point, anyone is better than Galliani and his underhanded/shady deals. These new people could be masterstrokes or they could be failures, we'll know in time, but already branding them as not good enough simply because they worked at Inter in the past imo is a very cheap argument.

Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[han2503]

Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I disagree.

At least having a proper professional is already a high step up over Galliani's shady deals. He's run Milan's good name through the mud, working with banned individuals to complete transfers, making us the butt of jokes in the media by other club presidents.

Galliani is basically the bottom of the barrel. If the new people in charge at the very least act like true professionals I'm already happy about something which I wasn't just a few months ago

Also, I get your above point about being entrenched in the Inter way. But the guys we appointed can barely be classified as such. It's not like we're hiring a Zanetti for example instead of bringing in Paolo. Sure, these TWO people have a past at Inter, but they also have a past at Napoli, Juve, Southampton, etc. Everyone has a past, and judging these people based on that is simply rash.

All I'm saying is let's all just calm down for now, see what they have to offer and judge based on that, and not the fact that they worked for other clubs in the past, one of which was Inter

[X-Offender]

I disagree.

At least having a proper professional is already a high step up over Galliani's shady deals. He's run Milan's good name through the mud, working with banned individuals to complete transfers, making us the butt of jokes in the media by other club presidents.

Galliani is basically the bottom of the barrel. If the new people in charge at the very least act like true professionals I'm already happy about something which I wasn't just a few months ago

Also, I get your above point about being entrenched in the Inter way. But the guys we appointed can barely be classified as such. It's not like we're hiring a Zanetti for example instead of bringing in Paolo. Sure, these TWO people have a past at Inter, but they also have a past at Napoli, Juve, Southampton, etc. Everyone has a past, and judging these people based on that is simply rash.

All I'm saying is let's all just calm down for now, see what they have to offer and judge based on that, and not the fact that they worked for other clubs in the past, one of which was Inter

Exactly. Fassone is as much interista as he is juventino or neapolitan.

Like I said, I think you guys are rushing with your complaints. If by the end our management will comprise 4-5 individuals directly connected to or hired from Inter, then OK, I would be pissed too. But so far nothing has happened to evoke such malcontents IMO.

[Forza Milan!]

What troubles me is that you guys label our comments as "idealistic" and "simplistic". Not directly, but surely I can read between the lines.

Perhaps you guys don't understand the concept of being an Interista. For me it's the epitome of failure, the total opposite of what Milan represents (successful or not). It also makes me more suspicious to things or people linked with them: for every Pirlo there are plenty of Brocchi's, for every Seedorf plenty of Mancini's and for every Šimić a Silvestre now and then.

But I find it funny that at the same time my simplistic views (and direct questions) are being dismissed, other presumptions are being made that are as idealistic or simplistic as the one I supposedly made. Again, I'm not so happy with the fact that by now, 3 or 4 ex-Inter names are being supposedly linked or signed by Milan. Why? Because I don't think working at Inter is necessarily a very good reference. But it surely is a convenient fact and a very easy solution. I'm rather unimpressed with the likes of Fassone or Mirabelli, that's about it.

I grew up in Milano, so I understand Interista quite well. And AFAIAC, Fassone or Mirabelli are as much of an Interista as Pirlo and Seedorf, and there is no reason to assume they will turn out to be a Broccki or a Simic. Also, while I respect people like Demetrio for what they did for us as players, that does not mean they will be great business leaders. And that's what we need right now. We fix our finances, then maybe we can attract an Ancellotti or a Guardiola. We do not fix our finances, then all we can do is dream.

So I will repeat myself, no way of knowing that our new owners and their management will bring success (did not happen at Inter). But there is no reason to assume they will fail, as there is no reason to assume that they are making decisions just because they are more convenient. However, AFAIAC their focus is in the right place.

[Forza Milan!]

Han, saying "anyone is better then Galliani right now" is even cheaper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

A team of professionals is better than a one-man operation, especially when the man in question has gone senile, and his solution to problems is to squander massive amount of money on agent fees and to through laughable salaries at mediocre players (that same money could have gotten us some quality players). Anyone pay attention to what happened at the last stockholder meeting?

While I agree that "anyone is better than Galliani" right now, that's not the point I am making (and I don't believe that's what others are really saying either). What bothers me is that I believe there is a rush to judgement based on questionable reasoning and no evidence. Me, I would rather see what actually happens before passing judgment.

[d'Arc.LP]

In the next days (or weeks) there is a meeting scheduled between Fassone and Maldini about a role in the club.
[GdS]

[William405]

In the next days (or weeks) there is a meeting scheduled between Fassone and Maldini about a role in the club.
[GdS]

Please Maldini, come back.

[X-Offender]

He won't.

[Jack Sparrow]

A team of professionals is better than a one-man operation, especially when the man in question has gone senile, and his solution to problems is to squander massive amount of money on agent fees and to through laughable salaries at mediocre players (that same money could have gotten us some quality players). Anyone pay attention to what happened at the last stockholder meeting?

It's interesting you bring that up, because I saw the latest salary charts and we're doing really well. Our salary expenses are down to 80 MM a year, with Bacca the highest paid at 3.5 MM. Of course there are teams doing even better like Sassuolo etc. but there is some improvement. I'm sure that had a role to play in the Chinese buying us out.

[Jack Sparrow]

Exactly. Fassone is as much interista as he is juventino or neapolitan.

Like I said, I think you guys are rushing with your complaints. If by the end our management will comprise 4-5 individuals directly connected to or hired from Inter, then OK, I would be pissed too. But so far nothing has happened to evoke such malcontents IMO.

So here's what's almost certain at the moment:

CEO: Marco Fassone (previous job at Inter)
Director of Sport: Masimilliano Mirabelli (Previous job at Inter)
Head of Scouting: Antonio D'Ottavio (currently at Inter)


Ok, now first of all:

1. I have to assume that in all of European football the best people to come and do this job for us are these currently mentioned people. So as a recruiter I'd ask what is it in their last job they have achieved that makes them really good targets for hire?

2. With 3 main positions held by the ex-Inter folk - what roles are now remaining for anyone else to take up?

I'm sorry but it looks like Fassone has just done the lazy thing and called up his old pals, given them all promotions and asked them to join. Not really any different from the accusations we threw at Galliani calling up his old friends for favours. And from 10 years in corporate world, I can tell you these sort of moves tend to explode more often than not.

I don't like it already, I don't see credentials in anyone except Fassone to convince me (Fassone has a heavy marketing background which makes a lot of sense to me). The remaining two I find it hard to believe they were the best that European football had to offer that we were able to hire.

[Fillipo Simone]

Exactly what bothers me if it ends up to be our team.

[Forza Milan!]

So here's what's almost certain at the moment:

CEO: Marco Fassone (previous job at Inter)
Director of Sport: Masimilliano Mirabelli (Previous job at Inter)
Head of Scouting: Antonio D'Ottavio (currently at Inter)


Ok, now first of all:

1. I have to assume that in all of European football the best people to come and do this job for us are these currently mentioned people. So as a recruiter I'd ask what is it in their last job they have achieved that makes them really good targets for hire?

2. With 3 main positions held by the ex-Inter folk - what roles are now remaining for anyone else to take up?

I'm sorry but it looks like Fassone has just done the lazy thing and called up his old pals, given them all promotions and asked them to join. Not really any different from the accusations we threw at Galliani calling up his old friends for favours. And from 10 years in corporate world, I can tell you these sort of moves tend to explode more often than not.

I don't like it already, I don't see credentials in anyone except Fassone to convince me (Fassone has a heavy marketing background which makes a lot of sense to me). The remaining two I find it hard to believe they were the best that European football had to offer that we were able to hire.

Again, rushing to judgment with very, very little data. Yes, Fassone worked at Inter for a short while, but also worked for other teams (same with the others). And hiring people you know is what is quite normal in the business world (I have done it myself quite a number of times).

[Fillipo Simone]

No one is judging anything yet. We just comment how things look, exactly like you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You seem to miss out on the real issue here. And that is the three names linked with Milan (Fassone already confirmed) haven't done anything special so far. I don't get why it's so hard to understand our skepticism and what's so powerful to make you so hopeful?

[Forza Milan!]

It's interesting you bring that up, because I saw the latest salary charts and we're doing really well. Our salary expenses are down to 80 MM a year, with Bacca the highest paid at 3.5 MM. Of course there are teams doing even better like Sassuolo etc. but there is some improvement. I'm sure that had a role to play in the Chinese buying us out.

First of all, player salaries is just one issue. Suggest you look back at the issues raised at the last stockholders meeting (link). For example, at the time we had 172 employees classified as "tesserati" (64 of which players), compared to 95 for Juve (51 players) and 53 for Napoli (27 players). We also had 145 players classified as "non tesserati" (and this number has gone up in recent years). What are all these people doing? On top of this, we are paying millions on agent fees. Bottom line, not a well managed club.

But even if you look at player salaries, yes we have reduced our total spend, but pay attention where the money is going. Reality is we are over-paying a bunch of mediocre players. Results on the field are what they are, and as an added bonus we find it extremely hard to get rid of players (why would they leave, who in their right mind would give them that kind of money?). Bottom line, we are over-paying players on a massive scale.

Edit: Speaking about Sassuolo, it is worth remembering that (1) their squad is good enough to play in EL (ours is not), (2) we lost 3 of the last 4 times we played them (only victory in Coppa Italia). And they are paying less for their players ...

This post has been edited by Forza Milan!: Sep 19 2016, 02:47 PM