[Fillipo Simone]

Why are you guys so eager to loose Abate? I think Boateng and Robinho would be more then sufficient.

[Zed.D]

@ han

You're right. I'm wrong. I give up.

[d'Arc.LP]

Personally I'd like to see Robinho, Boateng, Nocerino and Mesbah leave. I think we could get 25-30m from all of them. Then I'd by Dede (who's a beast) and buy Diego.

We could play:

Abbiati
Abate/De Sciglio - Dede - Mexes - Constant
Montolivo - De Jong
Bojan - Diego - El Shaarawy
Pato

[Jack Sparrow]

Damn, I posted an update on this discussion, somewhere else.

[Bluesummers]

guys lets chill out on Niang, he's 17 lol. As far as letting abate go, I would do it if we got pastore. Pastore is the kind of player we need and would fit perfectly in the AM position.

[Jack Sparrow]

Pretty much. I would loan him out to some interesting coach in Italy if I could. Maybe Fiorentina but right now they see us as equals so...

[CHU-LIP]

@ han

You're right. I'm wrong. I give up.

wat? no way. you are the one saying accurate things

and han is contradicting himself by saying first DS is getting enough playing time, but then in same post he says it's too soon to tell what's his work ethic is - how can that be if he is playing enough?

[Jack Sparrow]

han2503 is saying he is getting enough playing time for a 20 year old. He is saying his work ethic and his overall talent will take more exposure to be visible and then we can decide if he is good enough to bench Abate. I don't think han2503 denies that possibility. It's just not happening now. I think it's fine. Kaka was good enough to bench Rui Costa, and perhaps it might happen with Sciglio and Abate as well.

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Anyway onto the Winter transfer, do you guys have any definite ins and outs?

I think Mesbah is going for sure. Perhaps Traore as well? Or is it a transfer market issue? Flamini out as well? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Incoming, I expect some youngsters and some oldies as backup. I don't see any disgruntled stars who we can pick up.

[han2503]

You don't understand PSG wanting Abate, but are now hoping they want Prince instead?

Boateng is a more flashy player sort of. And it would make more sense for PSG to want him. They don't want Nene or Pastore it seems and boateng would give them some muscle in that midfield.

I'm not hoping they want Prince instead, just saying what deal would make more sense, for both teams

Either way, this is fantacalcio at its best. And I will reiterate that we should keep hold of the last few good assets we have, and that includes Abate. DS just proved me right yesterday with his performance. He is simply not ready yet to be a first 11 player and he has a long way to go before that

[han2503]

wat? no way. you are the one saying accurate things

and han is contradicting himself by saying first DS is getting enough playing time, but then in same post he says it's too soon to tell what's his work ethic is - how can that be if he is playing enough?

Lol, what does that have to do with contradicting myself?

No he can't be a sure starter simply because he's not ready yet, and yes it's too soon to tell what his work ethic is as we've only seen him over the course of a few months now.

Abate showed his improvement over the span of 3 seasons and it was staggering, also to note is that like DS, he wasn't a starter in our Scudetto winning season either, nor the season before that. He won the spot for himself by showing great work ethic and improving enough to be a starter.

So that is my point right there. DS will show what work ethic he has over time, because if he does work at it enough and improves enough to becaome a starter than he will take his rightful position as a starting RB ahead of Abate, but at this point he is far from that point as he still has a lot to improve on before he can take Abate's place. Capiche?

[CHU-LIP]

Lol, what does that have to do with contradicting myself?

No he can't be a sure starter simply because he's not ready yet, and yes it's too soon to tell what his work ethic is as we've only seen him over the course of a few months now.

Abate showed his improvement over the span of 3 seasons and it was staggering, also to note is that like DS, he wasn't a starter in our Scudetto winning season either, nor the season before that. He won the spot for himself by showing great work ethic and improving enough to be a starter.

So that is my point right there. DS will show what work ethic he has over time, because if he does work at it enough and improves enough to becaome a starter than he will take his rightful position as a starting RB ahead of Abate, but at this point he is far from that point as he still has a lot to improve on before he can take Abate's place. Capiche?

disagree

we should do with De Sciglio what we did with Abate, with the difference De Sciglio is more talented

[X-Offender]

Personally I'd like to see Robinho, Boateng, Nocerino and Mesbah leave. I think we could get 25-30m from all of them. Then I'd by Dede (who's a beast) and buy Diego.

We could play:

Abbiati
Abate/De Sciglio - Dede - Mexes - Constant
Montolivo - De Jong
Bojan - Diego - El Shaarawy
Pato

Diego? The same Diego that failed at Juve? I think we should look elsewhere. And I wouldn't consider selling Nocerino, not until the season's over anyway. Personally, I think Robinho, Boateng, Mesbah and Traoré should be sold and then spend the earnings on signing:

1) Strootman, if Allegri wants to play 4-3-3,
2) Pastore, if Allegri wants to play 4-2-3-1.

disagree

we should do with De Sciglio what we did with Abate, with the difference De Sciglio is more talented

Disagree.

Abate was given the chance back then because we didn't have many options on the right, since Zambrotta was either played as LB or was injured most of the season. Right now, we have a very solid RB in Abate, and preferring an unexperienced, mistake-prone youngster to him would be just wrong.

[han2503]

Thanks for saving me the time by answering that one. Totally agree ^^^

Also Abate wasn't really favoured during Leo's season he was mostly on the bench

[CHU-LIP]

we should build a team for the future

whether Abate or De Sciglio starts at RB, neither will make us win anything short term, and both are good options for it anyway; long term playing De Sciglio will pay out

we need to strength the team a lot; the ones X mentions have to leave indeed, but actually I would prefer if even more did. Since we are low on budget, using Abate to strengthening a weak position is smart, and will make us stronger

we have invested in youth nowadays, and thus we should take use of it, so losing a homegrown player should not be a problem

[han2503]

Sorry but I can't continue to argue this point, it's pretty obvious right now who the undisputed starter is and I wouldn't sacrifice results just so we can play DS in the hopes that he'll become huge in the future. And who knows maybe his growth will get stunted no matter how much time he gets on the pitch.

Then what? We're stuck with a decent player while we sold off a great RB for no reason. We have other cards to play such as Robinho so that we could strengthen the team.

Also you make Abate sound like he's 30 years old and earning a huge salary which is so far from the actual case