[maldini03]

I dont think giving up Abate would be a good idea. He may not be the best RB in the game, but he is a hard worker and is always learning. I would rather give up Robinho or Prince.

Also Abate >> Van der Wiel

[han2503]

Why would we give up Abate?/ Especially when PSG have a good player in that position already.

Abate is one of the few players I would say are unsellable in this team. Leo should do us a favour and hand Pastore over for the 20m alone after the bargain deal he got off us this summer.

[CHU-LIP]

Why would we give up Abate?/ Especially when PSG have a good player in that position already.

How does that matter (for us)?

[han2503]

How does that matter (for us)?

It means that the rumour is most likely just that... A rumour (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

How does that matter (for us)?

It matters because it's unlikely they'd make a move for a player who would most probably end up on the bench. It's also unlikely he'd accept such a faith - but you never know.

[han2503]

It matters because it's unlikely they'd make a move for a player who would most probably end up on the bench. It's also unlikely he'd accept such a faith - but you never know.

And why would we sell one of our most consistantly good performers not to mention a youth product?

DS has proven that he's no where near ready to take over as well

[Zed.D]

Your bias towards Abate/against DS is astonishing.

DS has proved that he's "no where ready" to take over? believe what you want, I think he's showed that he's all but ready to do that. he will make mistake sometimes, he will have bad games sometimes, but that's what he needs to grow.

As soon as he plays a few games in a row as a starter you can see how quickly he adapts and how well he plays. that was evident against Napoli and hopefully will be evident tonight as well.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Nov 21 2012, 06:36 PM

[han2503]

Your bias towards Abate/against DS is astonishing.

DS has proved that he's "no where ready" to take over? believe what you want, I think he's showed that he's all but ready to do that. he will make mistake sometimes, he will have bad games sometimes, but that's what he needs to grow.

As soon as he plays a few games in a row as a starter you can see how quickly he adapts and how well he plays. that was evident against Napoli and hopefully will be evident tonight as well.

Lol, me preferring the more experianced and better player is suddenly turned into a bias/hate towards De Sciglio??!!!

Just too laughable at this point.

You know what I hate? Is how some people on this forum idolise players simply because they're young and from the primavera. When one of them does decently it's like he's the second coming, forget the fact that none of them have turned out any good at the end of the day. Let's not even try to list all of the De Sciglio's throughout the years shall we (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for DS and my apparent hate for him that you're pointing out. I have nothing against the kid, and think that he's a fine young player with potential to become really good in the future, and I woud like nothing more than for that to happen, but is he good enough RIGHT NOW to be a starter for us, especially when we have Abate available? Hell no!!

I've had no problem in the past admitting when I don't particularly like a certain player (Pazzini, Ambro, the list can go on) but that is certainly not the case with DS, and just because I don't think he's ready right now does not mean that I don't like him or believe that he can be a starter for us in the future, I just tell it how it is, and just because he's young and a youth product is not enough for me to say that he's the next great thing

[Zed.D]

I didn't say hate, I said bias because you always make it a Abate/DS thing when we're having a discussion about DS. can't talk about one without mentioning the other!

You know what I hate? Is how some people on this forum idolise players simply because they're young and from the primavera. When one of them does decently it's like he's the second coming, forget the fact that none of them have turned out any good at the end of the day. Let's not even try to list all of the De Sciglio's throughout the years shall we

Why couldn't DS be the first one in years? just give me one good reason.

You're the kind of person that would say the same about El Sha if Zlatan was still here and the kid didn't get so much time to find his feet at last. remember the first few games of the season and how bad he was? who could've guessed he'd turn it around like this? if pulled it off it's because he got to play regularly, he was allowed to make mistakes and learn, and he's learning fast. for me it's the same with DS, I think he should start and play plenty of games regularly. I'd hate to sell Abate because he gives us depth, but if that what it takes for DS to become our first choice rightback, so be it! I just don't see the awesomeness you do in Abate.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Nov 21 2012, 07:07 PM

[X-Offender]

Maybe De Sciglio will never become as good as Abate.

[amancik]

I didn't say hate, I said bias because you always make it a Abate/DS thing when we're having a discussion about DS. can't talk about one without mentioning the other!


Why couldn't DS be the first one in years? just give me one good reason.

You're the kind of person that would say the same about El Sha if Zlatan was still here and the kid didn't get so much time to find his feet at last. remember the first few games of the season and how bad he was? who could've guessed he'd turn it around like this? if pulled it it's because off because he got to play regularly, he was allowed to make mistakes and learn, and he's learning fast. for me it's the same with DS, I think he should start and play plenty of games regularly. I'd hate to sell Abate because he gives us depth, but if that what it takes for DS to become our first choice rightback, so be it! I just don't see the awesomeness you do in Abate.

I agree with Zed about De Sciglio. But I also agree with han that he may not be strong enough (as of right now) to replace Abate yet. I think han went too strong with his statement about 'no where near ready'. I mean I haven't seen a decent 19 year-old in AC Milan over the last decade (not to mention a full-back which is hard to come by these days) play a string of good performances that projects the potential of someone capable of being a very good if not great footballer, have you?

[han2503]

I didn't say hate, I said bias because you always make it a Abate/DS thing when we're having a discussion about DS. can't talk about one without mentioning the other!


Why couldn't DS be the first one in years? just give me one good reason.

You're the kind of person that would say the same about El Sha if Zlatan was still here and the kid didn't get so much time to find his feet at last. remember the first few games of the season and how bad he was? who could've guessed he'd turn it around like this? if pulled it off it's because he got to play regularly, he was allowed to make mistakes and learn, and he's learning fast. for me it's the same with DS, I think he should start and play plenty of games regularly. I'd hate to sell Abate because he gives us depth, but if that what it takes for DS to become our first choice rightback, so be it! I just don't see the awesomeness you do in Abate.

The reason why it's an Abate vs DS thing is because in reality that is the case. It's either ONE or the OTHER. Simple as that and who would I prefer? Pretty simple answer really. Does that mean I hate DS or that I don't believe he'll be as good or even better than Abate in the future? No. Neither you nor I could answer that but as of right now, Abate is hands down the best choice no matter how you want to play it as me being against DS playing.

As for SES, I was one of the few actually defending him when people were getting on his back at the start of the season so your argument failed right there. And don't bring Ibra into it because EVERYONE would want Ibra on the pitch instead of anyone else. It's only natural. SES is doing great but Ibra is a different type of player, he's a 30+ goal scorer, a 20+ assist man, a midfielder, a support striker a prima punta. Ibra is a super player you simply cannot make an argument out of this.

Let me tell you the awesomeness I see in Abate. He was a player I didn't particularly like just a few short years ago. Thought he was a complete dumbass who was clueless in all areas of the game. and you know why I like him so much now? Because he worked his @ss off from the point he was when we brought him back from loan to where he is now, undoubtedly the best RB in the league next to Lichsteiner. Does De Sciglio have the postential to be great? Yes I personally think he does, but I just hope he has 1/10 of the determination and work ethic that Abate has because if he doesn't then he'll go down as another one in the long line of players with potnetial who failed to live up to it.

And your argument about wanting to sell Abate so DS could take his spot is pretty ridiculous to me. We have a very good RB and you want to sell him just so that the kid could get the start? That's just terrible logic. I want what's best for the team not for DS. And what best for the team right now is Abate. And you know what's even better for the team than that, to have another good option on the bench should abate not be available, and we have that in DS. So why ruin a good thing?

I agree with Zed about De Sciglio. But I also agree with han that he may not be strong enough (as of right now) to replace Abate yet. I think han went too strong with his statement about 'no where near ready'. I mean I haven't seen a decent 19 year-old in AC Milan over the last decade (not to mention a full-back which is hard to come by these days) play a string of good performances that projects the potential of someone capable of being a very good if not great footballer, have you?

I don't think it's an exxageration. DS has a lot more growing to do before he can be a first choice for Milan. Maybe if the Milan we're talking about is the current one where mid-table is acceptable it would be ok, but for a Milan that's looking te rebuild and get back on it's feet he's still not there yet

[Fillipo Simone]

Maybe De Sciglio will never become as good as Abate.

Maybe. But with not playing him we'll never find out. To me Abate is a prime example of sheer determination. When we first got him he had awful overall technique, no feel for position and marking, no tackling ability but pure speed. Now he's turned into a good defender and our best fullback - and only determination + faith and playing time did that. DS on the other hand has talent, something Abate is lacking.

[han2503]

Maybe. But with not playing him we'll never find out. To me Abate is a prime example of sheer determination. When we first got him he had awful overall technique, no feel for position and marking, no tackling ability but pure speed. Now he's turned into a good defender and our best fullback - and only determination + faith and playing time did that. DS on the other hand has talent, something Abate is lacking.

DS is still getting plenty of minutes which anyone else wouldn't be getting.

He's being handled properly. Throwing him to the wolves and leaving him as the only choice wouldn't be the best way to handle him

[amancik]

I don't think it's an exxageration. DS has a lot more growing to do before he can be a first choice for Milan. Maybe if the Milan we're talking about is the current one where mid-table is acceptable it would be ok, but for a Milan that's looking te rebuild and get back on it's feet he's still not there yet

But don't you think this is precisely the time to integrate him? I mean I dare to say he's the second-best full-back we have right now (Constant as LB for me is still under experiment). But maybe not at the expense of Abate.