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 Jan 19 2013, 04:40 PM
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Prima Squadra  Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109  |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2013, 04:21 PM)  God, this is proving really difficult. I meant the second part of the bit I bold highlighted in your statement was the only part I'd implied. The rest I'd not even said. You seem to take pieces of my comments, misunderstand them, then begin a new line of debate I'd not even mentioned. That said I stand by my comment - Sheva did about as well at Chelski as Kaka has at Real. And I don't want history repeating itself. That's your entire comment that I quoted. I don't know where you think the misunderstanding happened... I understood what you were trying to say which you've explained in more detail in the quoted part below. The rest of my post I only wrote about why I think he'd still be useful, which you don't think is the case and why I thought you were being a bit harsh in your assessment. I don't see how you think there was a misunderstanding... Maybe I am going out of my mind and still can't understand you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Who knows. But here. I'll give you what you want. I'll conceed in this one. You think that Kaka won't be useful for us, while I do. I agree with you that anyone who expects anywhere near what Kaka was for us in his first spell will be soarely disappointed. And THAT is the point that we can both agree on right? QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2013, 04:21 PM) I think you've not quite understood me again. When I called him poor, I meant by HIS standards. He became only good rather than the mercurial son of God he'd previously been. I think 'deteriorated slightly' is generous. I think he lost about 40% of what he was. I also can't agree he was carrying us alone. Mainly because we had guys like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho, the latter of whom recaptured a fair bit of his Barca form with us till it tailed away. Poor by his standards? Yes, I agree with that. But he was still crucial for us. Even when he was not at his best. You don't think we were that reliant on him... Meh, he was still usually our top scorer. Even when Ronaldo and later Ronaldinho came in. QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2013, 04:21 PM) Problem is debate when someone disagrees with you and seems robust and stubborn with their view feels a bit pointless. It's like talking to a brick wall. You very rarely ever back down, and that's kinda my issue. I accept your point about standing by your opinion if you hold it importantly, but I'm not totally sure I've ever really seen you back down from anything these past few months. Partial isn't really that accommodating. As an aside, my entire conversation has been nothing to do with Allegri, why are you bringing him up repeatedly? I don't get why you're saying this, because you don't agree with me either and I don't expect you to conceed so I can feel better about what I'm saying. People debate all the time and 99% of the time those debates end in "let's agree to disagree". That means neither party is willing to give in on their points unless there is evidence that they are proven wrong. I'm mentioning Allegri because he's centered around most arguments on here. And not just by me but the majority of the posters. So I'm choosing these areguments as a basis for what I'm saying. My point is, we'll keep seeing these discussions about him as long as he's coaching the team. And unless one party is proven to be wrong for complaining/defending him then none of us can really say whether one is right or wrong in their beliefs about this particular subject. I don't know if you get what I'm trying to say here, but for me this is the crux of the whole issue that we've been discussing |
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Jan 19 2013, 06:02 PM
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Berretti  Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2013, 09:40 PM) People debate all the time and 99% of the time those debates end in "let's agree to disagree". That means neither party is willing to give in on their points unless there is evidence that they are proven wrong. Sorry Han, can't agree with that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) From my research, online and offline, this figure is around the 92% mark. But yeah, whatever. Let's just agree to disagree. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Jan 19 2013, 06:08 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
The Sun is convinced we'll sign Balotelli for £24 million. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jan 19 2013, 06:09 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
QUOTE Milan transfer chief Adriano Galliani gives an update on Kaka and reveals Manchester City set a £24m price-tag for Mario Balotelli. “We’ll talk about it if that price drops.”
The club had been adamant that there was no interest in Balotelli, but Galliani has now confirmed they made enquiries within the last 24 hours and were given a price by City officials. “Balotelli? We can talk about it if that price drops. Up until last night it was staying firm at €37m and at these conditions it is impossible.” The Sun claimed this morning that Balotelli was ready to leave Manchester and his price-tag had been set at £24m – which translates at roughly €37m. Galliani is also in negotiations with Real Madrid to take Kaka on loan if he halves his wages. “It is a very complicated operation and for it to go through we need all three parties to make sacrifices. President Silvio Berlusconi is enthusiastic about the move.” |
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Jan 19 2013, 06:11 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Unless Kaká is willing to reduce his wages to €5 million, then it's not happening. C'mon Ricky, make that sacrifice!
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Jan 19 2013, 06:15 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
Yeah, it depends on him, he can't have it both ways. Let's see if he really wants to come back that badly..
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Jan 19 2013, 06:16 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
He did say two days ago that he's willing to do everything in order to return, so lowering his wages would be the first and foremost thing to do.
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Jan 19 2013, 08:28 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Galliani: "Only Strasser, Carmona and Valoti will leave. The various Mesbah, Traoré and Flamini will stay because we need everyone".
Source: Mediaset OMG, OMG, OMG! Saying Strasser will leave but the other duds we have will stay because we need them is hitting the bottom low right there! Fucking ridiculous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Jan 19 2013, 08:40 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
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Jan 19 2013, 08:59 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 09:28 PM) we need everyone". QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 09:28 PM) Strasser, Carmona and Valoti will leave Classic Galliani. |
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Jan 19 2013, 09:23 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
What is the logic man? This is just getting ridiculous. If de Jong is injured and Ambrosini is injured, then how can Strasser be given away? How is he NOT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT IS NEEDED? He is a decent player with potential for more. He has held his own whenever he has stepped on the pitch... At this point I don't get what the management is trying to do. EVEN if they get a high quality DM, Strasser will still provide a very good back up!
What the hell man? It's getting harder and harder to get behind this team... |
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Jan 19 2013, 09:25 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 19 2013, 06:02 PM) Sorry Han, can't agree with that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) From my research, online and offline, this figure is around the 92% mark. But yeah, whatever. Let's just agree to disagree. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Nice one QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 06:08 PM) The Sun is convinced we'll sign Balotelli for £24 million. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well The Sun is THE Holy Grail of gossip mags (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 06:11 PM) Unless Kaká is willing to reduce his wages to €5 million, then it's not happening. C'mon Ricky, make that sacrifice! Yeah, WHAT a sacrifice THAT is! If Kaka does not compromise then we absolutely need to look elsewhere. Still for a bit more, I still say we should go after Sneijder instead of Kaka QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 08:28 PM) Galliani: "Only Strasser, Carmona and Valoti will leave. The various Mesbah, Traoré and Flamini will stay because we need everyone". Source: Mediaset OMG, OMG, OMG! Saying Strasser will leave but the other duds we have will stay because we need them is hitting the bottom low right there! Fucking ridiculous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Where's the face palm simlie when you REALLY need it |
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Jan 19 2013, 09:51 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
With De Jong injured for the rest of the season, Strasser leaving, Ambrosini and Muntari being question marks in terms of injuries, and us not willing to sign another DM, it becomes necessary for Monto to play as DM for the rest of the season. Play Boateng and Nocerino in center midfield, Kaká or Bojan behind the strikers, and El Sha alongside Pazzini/Niang in attack.
Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino Kaká Pazzini - El Sha Anything else simply won't work. |
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Jan 19 2013, 10:10 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
Kaka plays for Milan? My time machine works!
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Jan 19 2013, 10:26 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 11:51 PM) With De Jong injured for the rest of the season, Strasser leaving, Ambrosini and Muntari being question marks in terms of injuries, and us not willing to sign another DM, it becomes necessary for Monto to play as DM for the rest of the season. Play Boateng and Nocerino in center midfield, Kaká or Bojan behind the strikers, and El Sha alongside Pazzini/Niang in attack. Boateng - Montolivo - Nocerino Kaká Pazzini - El Sha Anything else simply won't work. And this would? |
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