[CHU-LIP]

you still can't explain his woeful shot/goal ratio with rational arguments.

well, I'm not trying to... yet he scored as much as Pato and Zlatan, hmmz... how is that possible then? Well, obviously he gets more scoring chances.. why? Is he lucky to have so? No, it's skill. Just like other stuff like his contribution in defending, building up, linking up, lots of work-rate and energy. Ah, it bugs me really people say when talking about Robinho that his finishing sucks, and that's all, no word more, just like, forgetting or not noting ALL the good stuff he does, and that's A LOT. Underappreciated, he's underrated.

Pretty much everything actually does not cover much. Assist? Zlatan and Zee have more if I'm not wrong? Speed - granted. Work rate also. But for a striker, finishing is a priority.

If you only look at stats, then you can easily say he's not that good. But stats show in fact little. Even when it comes to a forward, stats dont say everything. Robinho has been a huge influence when to comes Milan scoring goals, even though he didnt score or gave the assist always.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: May 22 2011, 12:44 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

Defending? You actually mean he made a contribution in defending?

And Robinho has 33/14 while Ibra has 29 and Pato only 24. But that isn't so important. He could have had 24 goals if he'd been more professional. It's his unprofessional approach and easy going chance wasting that bugs me.

[Fillipo Simone]

If you only look at stats, then you can easily say he's not that good. But stats show in fact little. Even when it comes to a forward, stats dont say everything. Robinho has been a huge influence when to comes Milan scoring goals, even though he didnt score or gave the assist always.

Stats? You are the one who brought stats into this one. I only answered with them back. Initially I didn't talk about stats, I know how deceptive they can be. The real story I'll always remember how Robinho almost made me jump and pull my hair with his sitter missing. Just remember Brescia. This is something a 33/14 stat does not tell.

[X-Offender]

It's his unprofessional approach and easy going chance wasting that bugs me.

This sentence is very wrong.

[CHU-LIP]

Stats? You are the one who brought stats into this one. I only answered with them back. Initially I didn't talk about stats, I know how deceptive they can be. The real story I'll always remember how Robinho almost made me jump and pull my hair with his sitter missing. Just remember Brescia. This is something a 33/14 stat does not tell.

I didn't really brought stats into this. I defended Robinho by telling what he does well, only used the stat that he is topscorer along Pato and Zlatan, since il diavolo mtl said that he could be topscorer if..

Of course his finishing is frustrated, and therefore people are too harsh on him, and not praising him enough, because he had a very good season with us, BAR HIS FINISHING I AGREE, but there is so much more than just finishing in football, also when it comes to attacking.

[Fillipo Simone]

This sentence is very wrong.

Why? You think wasting tons of sitters in a very easygoing manner is a professional thing?

[X-Offender]

Questioning Robinho's professionalism is, pardon me, a very disgraceful thing. The guy has pretty much the highest working rate of our attacking line. He's always played for the team, sacrificed himself in positions which aren't ideal to his playing style and he has never spurred any negative behavior. The guy has been exemplary in such aspect and you should never question his professionalism. His chance wasting isn't due to a laid back attitude, the guy simply feels too much pressure when in front of the goal. That, and perhaps a little bit of rustiness he might have accumulated in the last year or so, when he wasn't really playing on high levels. And even despite that, his season was great. Just imagine how much more useful he could become if his finishing improved, which I'm certain it will happen starting from next season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dracoris]

Questioning Robinho's professionalism is, pardon me, a very disgraceful thing. The guy has pretty much the highest working rate of our attacking line. He's always played for the team, sacrificed himself in positions which aren't ideal to his playing style and he has never spurred any negative behavior. The guy has been exemplary in such aspect and you should never question his professionalism. His chance wasting isn't due to a laid back attitude, the guy simply feels too much pressure when in front of the goal. That, and perhaps a little bit of rustiness he might have accumulated in the last year or so, when he wasn't really playing on high levels. And even despite that, his season was great. Just imagine how much more useful he could become if his finishing improved, which I'm certain it will happen starting from next season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

+ 1 Billion

Of all things to call him, unprofessional is the last.

If accuracy was so easy to train the whole world would be professional footballers. Haters gonna hate.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

well, I'm not trying to... yet he scored as much as Pato and Zlatan, hmmz... how is that possible then? Well, obviously he gets more scoring chances.. why? Is he lucky to have so? No, it's skill. Just like other stuff like his contribution in defending, building up, linking up, lots of work-rate and energy. Ah, it bugs me really people say when talking about Robinho that his finishing sucks, and that's all, no word more, just like, forgetting or not noting ALL the good stuff he does, and that's A LOT. Underappreciated, he's underrated.

If you only look at stats, then you can easily say he's not that good. But stats show in fact little. Even when it comes to a forward, stats dont say everything. Robinho has been a huge influence when to comes Milan scoring goals, even though he didnt score or gave the assist always.

Because i don't feel my arguments are actually being read and are not being addressed in your counter-thesis, allow me draw up a parallel.
Would you sign a GK that is a horrible shot-stopper?

[il_diavolo_mtl]

I didn't really brought stats into this. I defended Robinho by telling what he does well, only used the stat that he is topscorer along Pato and Zlatan, since il diavolo mtl said that he could be topscorer if..

to be fair i had no idea he had tied with ibra and pato...
I'll gladly concede this.

Questioning Robinho's professionalism is, pardon me, a very disgraceful thing. The guy has pretty much the highest working rate of our attacking line

/He has to! if he couldn't finish AND couldn't run he would stiff from riding the bench all year)

. He's always played for the team

/I have personally seen him take SOO many passes when better finishers were in better positions. Before you bring up Pato as being a selfish player, let me agree with you and point out that Pato goals/game ratio is the highest on the team. Also where does team play factor in when you score a lucky goal of a GK deflection and you run to the closest camera and do a solo dance like you out-classed the keeper? He even tries to hijack other players' goal celebrations with that useless samba step.

, sacrificed himself in positions which aren't ideal to his playing style

/Tactical sacrifice, any player in world professional or not has to do it from time to time.

and he has never spurred any negative behavior

/his diving and his giggle and pray after he screws up routine does get me most of the time(i'll admit he's not the only one who does it though)

. The guy has been exemplary in such aspect and you should never question his professionalism

/the only player that has deserved that respect is Thiago silva, everyone else can be questioned IMO, no matter how much you may disapprove.

His chance wasting isn't due to a laid back attitude

/in life as well as in football, practice makes perfect. If he , for whatever reason, thinks he doesn't need to try hard enough to actually aim a shot, then this becomes an attitude/insolence problem.

the guy simply feels too much pressure when in front of the goal. That, and perhaps a little bit of rustiness he might have accumulated in the last year or so

/Without counting the 13 games at Santos,his last good season was 08-09

, when he wasn't really playing on high levels. And even despite that, his season was great. Just imagine how much more useful he could become if his finishing improved, which I'm certain it will happen starting from next season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

/i hope as much as the next guy he understands he needs to fight for a starting place on this team and goes through the necessary training to have a minimum of accuracy.

+ 1 Billion

Of all things to call him, unprofessional is the last.

If accuracy was so easy to train the whole world would be professional footballers. Haters gonna hate.

ok seriously, have you ever heard of practice makes perfect?

If your profession was to kick a ball for a living and trained with elite coaches and players several times a week, I don't think it would be too much to ask to have a remote idea how to put it on net?

No one is arguing that he should be best in the world, but if I took *113 Shots (CL /Serie A) I would expect more then 14 goals

*http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/47426/robinho?cc=5901

This post has been edited by il_diavolo_mtl: May 22 2011, 06:15 AM

[Dracoris]

Haters gonna hate

[Fillipo Simone]

Haters gonna hate

What does that mean? Are you trying to substitute lack of argument with personal attacks? Please stop with this stupid parole, I don't hate any Milan player or coach no matter what.

[Zed.D]

Nice to see Abbiati get some recognition as well.

And Pato not being mentioned at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) call me fanboy or whatever, but at more than 1 stage (where Ibra wasn't anywhere to be seen either due to going invisible during the games or serving lengthy suspensions) if he hadn't stepped up we would not be celebrating the Scudetto now. the Chievo, Napoli and derby games above all come to mind. if we hadn't won any of those games Inter would've most probably overtaken us.

[Fillipo Simone]

To be quite honest, yes, you're right. He deserves some honorary credits. After all the scudetto was a team effort. No one should be left out as unimportant, even Oddo's cross contributed.

[X-Offender]

Wow mtl, if you could throw an idiom for every single problem in life, we'd all be living in heaven now. Practice makes perfect? Far from it. And he has been practicing, I've seen his personal trainings on Milan Channel. Everything else you mentioned is just a poor attempt at tarnishing Robinho's name for your own dislike. But what to do? Like Dracoris said, the best expresion in this case is 'haters gonna hate'.