[X-Offender]

Oh please just because a couple of pundits have an oppinion on the matter does not make it fact (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The fact that you can't stand the guy just makes me shut out anything you have to say about him because it's simply not constructive.

Dinho has had 3 bad games, no one was complaining when he created all the goals against Auxerre and for the way he played against Lecce. The fact that the entire team seems to be off colour aside from a handful, yet you always pick on Dinho to criticise makes me chuckle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I always find myself defending the guy to you because I know that you don't like him. So I have this impulse. Even though I know he's not in form atm, but there are reasons as to why he's not performing well which you choose to ignore and say you would play, get this SEEDORF instead of him, just laughable.

Sorry but I can't take anything you say about Dinho seriously, because I know you're blinded by your dislike for the man

What makes you better than those pundits, may I ask? They are professional journalists, so as a matter of fact their opinions should count more than mine and yours put together. But that wasn't my point. My points was that so far Dinho has been unwatchable.

I'm blinded by my dislike? I don't dislike the man because he doesn't pay taxes or plays too much PlayStation, but because he's not that great of a player you make him out to be. He's a burden on this team, it's plain obvious to anyone. I was the first to praise his performance against Lecce, but stuff like that comes only once in 2-3 months from him, so what's the point in trying to rely on him really? In the end, he'll just let us down again.

Last season he played nearly every game because there were no alternatives, and Leo put his blind faith on the guy. But this season is different. We can play a variety of line-ups that do not count Dinho, thus either he will pull his head out of his butt and start playing football, or he'll just have to warm the bench like Oddo and Jankulovski.

[han2503]

Last match when he got subbed off, han.

Then stop replying to his Ronaldinho posts. Because now you did and you defend Ronaldinho at a moment he FULLY deserves criticism.

I hope we soon can play with Robinho, Pato and Ibrahimovic if Ronaldinho keeps 'playing' like this.

I'm actually saying that he's not in form atm and not playing well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) But the fact that he can't see that there are factors playing into it as well is what bugs me.

And what's the point of this place if someone doesn't reply to another poster when he/she doesn't agree with what the other is posting? So if you say Abate is a RB, then everyone should not post even though there are many who completely disagree with what you're saying? Even when the topic has previously come up on a lot of other occasions?

[han2503]

What makes you better than those pundits, may I ask? They are professional journalists, so as a matter of fact their opinions should count more than mine and yours put together. But that wasn't my point. My points was that so far Dinho has been unwatchable.

I'm blinded by my dislike? I don't dislike the man because he doesn't pay taxes or plays too much PlayStation, but because he's not that great of a player you make him out to be. He's a burden on this team, it's plain obvious to anyone. I was the first to praise his performance against Lecce, but stuff like that comes only once in 2-3 months from him, so what's the point in trying to rely on him really? In the end, he'll just let us down again.

Last season he played nearly every game because there were no alternatives, and Leo put his blind faith on the guy. But this season is different. We can play a variety of line-ups that do not count Dinho, thus either he will pull his head out of his butt and start playing football, or he'll just have to warm the bench like Oddo and Jankulovski.

I never said I was better. Please quote that for me. I said that those are oppinions of other people, it does not make them facts!

You have said on multiple occasions that you don't like him, and when I see you criticise him, the "Here we go again" bell rings in my head. Because there is 3/4 of this team who isn't playing well and you always single out Dinho. You say Dinho is a burden on this team, yet you want to play Seedorf instead of him, if that isn't bias I don't know what is!

Last season he played nearly every game because he was one of our best players. I can go into all that stats dribble but according to you that's BS...

[X-Offender]

I never said I was better. Please quote that for me. I said that those are oppinions of other people, it does not make them facts!

You have said on multiple occasions that you don't like him, and when I see you criticise him, the "Here we go again" bell rings in my head. Because there is 3/4 of this team who isn't playing well and you always single out Dinho. You say Dinho is a burden on this team, yet you want to play Seedorf instead of him, if that isn't bias I don't know what is!

Last season he played nearly every game because he was one of our best players. I can go into all that stats dribble but according to you that's BS...

No man, I don't single out Dinho only when the team plays bad. Last night we were not brilliant, but we didn't play badly either. Yet Dinho was one of our worst players on the field. And I think I made my point clear on why I would prefer Seedorf, so we could switch back to 4-3-1-2 again. Dinho doesn't only slow down our game, but he also "enforces" us to play his beloved 4-3-3. So in a way, his benefits translate into the team's detriments. That is not pretty.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Sep 26 2010, 05:29 PM

[CHU-LIP]

I'm actually saying that he's not in form atm and not playing well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) But the fact that he can't see that there are factors playing into it as well is what bugs me.

And what's the point of this place if someone doesn't reply to another poster when he/she doesn't agree with what the other is posting? So if you say Abate is a RB, then everyone should not post even though there are many who completely disagree with what you're saying? Even when the topic has previously come up on a lot of other occasions?

You don't understand. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not taking someone's opinion seriously.

Factors? Oh come on. Ronaldinho is our bottleneck. At least others try and preform better.

[han2503]

No man, I don't single out Dinho only when the team plays bad. Last night we were not brilliant, but we didn't play badly either. Yet Dinho was one of our worst players on the field. And I think I made my point clear on why I would prefer Seedorf, so we could switch back to 4-3-1-2 again. Dinho doesn't only slow down our game, but he also "enforces" us to play his beloved 4-3-3. So in a way, his benefits translate into the team's detriments. That is not pretty.

Oh right Seedorf in behind the strikers solves that how? He slows down the game even more then Dnho, loses the ball more then him and he can't really play that position either, he couldn't play it in his twenties and he certainly can't play it now.

The reason we play the 4-3-3 is because Leo and now Allegri don't want to take the time to switch it. Dinho would be a far better solution then Seedorf playing behind the strikers. If you were talking about a VDV or Pastore, the I would agree with you completely. But Seedorf? Come on man!

You don't understand. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not taking someone's opinion seriously.

Factors? Oh come on. Ronaldinho is our bottleneck. At least others try and preform better.

I'm still disagreeing with him like for example the Seedorf issue. And it's not about not taking someone's oppinion seriously, it's about knowing how someone's oppinion is biased and you can't accept that

Who is that? Seedorf, jogging around for 90 minutes? Ronaldinho is one of our only 2 creative players that can actually produce the final ball. I can see his faults, but until we bring someone in who is better and can do what he does then I can't see your arguments being valid about him.

[CHU-LIP]

Who is that? Seedorf, jogging around for 90 minutes? Ronaldinho is one of our only 2 creative players that can actually produce the final ball. I can see his faults, but until we bring someone in who is better and can do what he does then I can't see your arguments being valid about him.

You talking about how creative etc he is, of what he is capable of it, but if he doesn't preform like he should you can be talented like Zeus but still others will be a better option!

Better is when you PREFORM better IMO. He doesn't do that right now!

[han2503]

You talking about how creative etc he is, of what he is capable of it, but if he doesn't preform like he should you can be talented like Zeus but still others will be a better option!

Better is when you PREFORM better IMO. He doesn't do that right now!

He's had a total of 3 off games. And suddenly he's not good enough anymore. Yes his form is not good, but that's also connected with the ristricted position he's playing.

And again, who are you going to put in there that can actually do it? Robinho? Not an AM and can't play the position, you can say he's played there for Brazil all you want but that's not what he is and he won't do the job playing there. Ibra needs to be scoring goals, and Pato certainly isn't a creative player either. Seedorf? Please. He can barely keep up playing in the midfield, has adopted the habit of making some terrible passes and crosses as well. And likes to pass the ball backwards 99% of the time. There is a reason why the San Siro crowd usually get on his back faster then they get on anyone else's , he's a lathargic player, he can't be an AM.

Look at Ronaldinho when he got in behind Ibra and Robinho and that in itself supports what I'm saying.Link

[CHU-LIP]

He's had a total of 3 off games. And suddenly he's not good enough anymore. Yes his form is not good, but that's also connected with the ristricted position he's playing.

And again, who are you going to put in there that can actually do it? Robinho? Not an AM and can't play the position, you can say he's played there for Brazil all you want but that's not what he is and he won't do the job playing there. Ibra needs to be scoring goals, and Pato certainly isn't a creative player either. Seedorf? Please. He can barely keep up playing in the midfield, has adopted the habit of making some terrible passes and crosses as well. And likes to pass the ball backwards 99% of the time. There is a reason why the San Siro crowd usually get on his back faster then they get anyone else's , he's a lathargic player, he can't be an AM.

That's a lot and surely if you notice he lack of really trying to contribute to the team like others do. And if Ronaldinho keeps doing this, then Seedorf indeed is a better option. And I fully disagree about Robinho. Robinho contributes more in defending than Ronaldinho, he works harder than Ronaldinho. Robinho comes closer to a midfielder than Ronaldinho who isn't a midfielder AT ALL.

But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 26 2010, 06:05 PM

[Rossoneri7]

That's a lot and surely if you notice he lack of really trying to contribute to the team like others do. And if Ronaldinho keeps doing this, then Seedorf indeed is a better option. And I fully disagree about Robinho. Robinho contributes more in defending than Ronaldinho, he works harder than Ronaldinho. Robinho comes closer to a midfielder than Ronaldinho who isn't a midfielder AT ALL.

But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.

Sell Ronaldinho buy Lentini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[han2503]

That's a lot and surely if you notice he lack of really trying to contribute to the team like others do. And if Ronaldinho keeps doing this, then Seedorf indeed is a better option. And I fully disagree about Robinho. Robinho contributes more in defending than Ronaldinho, he works harder than Ronaldinho. Robinho comes closer to a midfielder than Ronaldinho who isn't a midfielder AT ALL.

But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.

A lot of our players have been on a bad spell for months now and Dinho has 3 off games and it's a lot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Robinho is a forward who does best when he starts from the left and cuts in. Seedorf helps the team? Against Catania for example when it was just Pirlo and Boateng trying to run back but Seedorf is jogging around near the opposition's box? How is that helping the team? I cna't believe we're really discussing this, Seedorf has been awful for nearly every game this season, yet he came on yesterday, made some bad passes and got 2 out them right and suddenly he needs to start ahead of Dinho, just boggles the mind!

Sure Robinho is currently tracking back some, we'll see how lon that lasts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Even when Pato is out, we still need someone to give that final ball, ad there is no one better at that currently on this team then Dinho. Seedorf's name shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11. He should be a sub that can help the coach make a tactical re-shuffle.

Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.

And this is just (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) inducing

Sell Ronaldinho buy Lentini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

ROCK ON!!!!

[CHU-LIP]

A lot of our players have been on a bad spell for months now and Dinho has 3 off games and it's a lot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Robinho is a forward who does best when he starts from the left and cuts in. Seedorf helps the team? Against Catania for example when it was just Pirlo and Boateng trying to run back but Seedorf is jogging around near the opposition's box? How is that helping the team? I cna't believe we're really discussing this, Seedorf has been awful for nearly every game this season, yet he came on yesterday, made some bad passes and got 2 out them right and suddenly he needs to start ahead of Dinho, just boggles the mind!

Sure Robinho is currently tracking back some, we'll see how lon that lasts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Even when Pato is out, we still need someone to give that final ball, ad there is no one better at that currently on this team then Dinho. Seedorf's name shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11. He should be a sub that can help the coach make a tactical re-shuffle.

I know Dinho is better in that than anyone else! But that's not the point!

Don't point to other players, they work harder than Ronaldinho and are preforming better than he is. Seedorf helps the team more than Ronaldinho does. God! Everyone seems to suck in your eyes comparing to Ronaldinho even though he is currently the worst player when it comes to preforming while I know he is by far the most talented blaballalalalalalalalalaalaalalalalalalalaa but he need to SHOW it!!!!!

[han2503]

I know Dinho is better in that than anyone else! But that's not the point!

Don't point to other players, they work harder than Ronaldinho and are preforming better than he is. Seedorf helps the team more than Ronaldinho does. God! Everyone seems to suck in your eyes comparing to Ronaldinho even though he is currently the worst player when it comes to preforming while I know he is by far the most talented blaballalalalalalalalalaalaalalalalalalalaa but he need to SHOW it!!!!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm giving you examples of Seedorf not working for the team and you keep repeating he does (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm pointing out that every other player has been having trouble lately, yet it's only Dinho that get's to be the center of these little discussion with you and x-off. Saying that Ronaldinho never works for the team is again BS, as I've seen him track back on more then one occasion. And he usually commits fouls when he does it, but it's still being done, so saying that he doesn't is cr@p

Players that deserve real praise in my eyes are guys like Antonini, Nesta, Thiago and Boateng, these are the guys who really work their @sses of, the others usually show a relaxed attitude throughout an entire game, the only time they bother to really run is when they're desperate, this includes Dinho as well. To single him out is what is complete BS, which is something you do on a consistant basis, anytime he puts his foot wrong, it's Dinho this Dinho that, back to the tracking back debate blablablablablablablabla (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[han2503]

Look at Ronaldinho when he got in behind Ibra and Robinho and that in itself supports what I'm saying.Link

Also watch this and tell me that Dinho is not the best option for playing the AM position, Anytime he got in behind Ribinho and Ibra, there was a dangerous situation created. Where as when he was stuck on the left he was confined to try and make that cross or lay the ball off because he was double marked

[kurtsimonw]

Doesn't Seedorf do the EXACT SAME THING? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes, but I don't recall saying I want Seedorf in the team either.