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Jack Sparrow
SERIE A- Round 5





Match: A.C Milan vs. Genoa CFC
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday
Time: 12.00 pm ET
Venue: San Siro

League Positions
A.C Milan: 8th [ P-4, W-1, D-2, L-1 ] Coach: Massimilano Allegri
Genoa CFC: 13th [P-4, W-1, D-2, L-1 ] Coach: Gian Piero Gasperini

Stats/Info from Soccernet
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So here goes nothing.

2 teams both hotly tipped at the start of the season on the basis of their ambitious transfer moves are struggling with poor starts. Both desperately want a win. Both are known to be attacking sides. Should be a keen contest.
Protagonist
We can achieve a win.

on a side note, when is Pato coming back ?
Bluesummers
I'd play this.


---------abbiati----------


-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--

-------------Pirlo------------

------Boateng------Flamini-



---Robinho--------------Dinho--

---------------Ibra---------


4-3-3 dry.gif
elcordobez
QUOTE (Protagonist @ Sep 23 2010, 05:10 PM) *
We can achieve a win.

on a side note, when is Pato coming back ?


They said 3 weeks from after Auxerre last week.

So 2 weeks?

Yes we can win,Kaladze needs to bang in some goals for us biggrin.gif
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 01:45 PM) *
I'd play this.


---------abbiati----------


-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--

-------------Pirlo------------

------Boateng------Flamini-



---Robinho--------------Dinho--

---------------Ibra---------


4-3-3 dry.gif


Not sure if Flam and Robbie have enough time to be fit to ply completely.

If Allegri is still experimenting maybe we can try play Robinho as treqqie and put Ibra and Pippo up front. What's to lose...it's a home game..Pippo is scoring/getting into scoring positions.

Stick to the 4-3-1-2.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 07:15 AM) *
I'd play this.


---------abbiati----------


-Zamb---Nesta---Silva--Antonini--

-------------Pirlo------------

------Boateng------Flamini-



---Robinho--------------Dinho--

---------------Ibra---------


4-3-3 dry.gif

Boateng and Flamini need to be behind Pirlo, I can't stand to see him wasted the way he's being wasted in this system
d'Arc.LP
If Robinho and Flamini are fit, i'd play this agains Genoa :

Amelia
Zambortta - Sokratis - Silva - Antonini
Boateng - Flamini
Robinho - Pirlo - Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic


Nesta needs a rest.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 23 2010, 02:06 AM) *
Boateng and Flamini need to be behind Pirlo, I can't stand to see him wasted the way he's being wasted in this system

well this is allegri's 4-3-3.


Pirlo sits in front of the defence dry.gif
Jack Sparrow
dry.gif And I plough my field using a Porsche. dry.gif
acid911
You have a field on that marooned island of yours? ohmy.gif huh.gif
Jack Sparrow
... and a Porsche. smoke.gif
acid911
Oh, I'm not surprised at all on that count. biggrin.gif I know Porsche used to (and still does) make tractors. A cheapskate pirate like you surely can't afford a 911 or Boxster, so you having a Porsche Super Diesel makes perfect sense. Here take a look:











I was actually more taken by you having a field that you plough on that 20 x 20 meter god forsaken island of yours. I can only imaging how cramped you'd be for space! tongue.gif Not to mention lonely.
Jack Sparrow
Sexy isn't it? wub.gif She's my baby! A bit worn for wear...she can still give Seedorf a close run around the San Siro pitch. cool.gif
agenth
all hope is lost.

Allegri continues to play 4-3-3
and if that isn't the worst:




Gattuso-Pirlo-Seedorf midfield: expect slowness and losing the ball, which means we are doomed since we keep playing possession football

And allegri continues to play Boateng in Attack.

Even though both methods have failed in the past games, he keeps doing it. WTF
d'Arc.LP
Robinho will start against Genoa.
han2503
If he uses that lineup again I really want to see Galliani take some action, because this is getting ridiculous!!!

Rino, Pirlo, Seedorf in midfield??? When we have Flamini and Boateng being wasted??!! WTF?!! And Robinho can only gain fitness by playing, not getting 5 minutes every game rolleyes.gif I hope Gazzetta are seriously wrong on this one!
Rossoneri7
Well, Allegri did say that he wont change the formation, regardless of results after the 3rd Serie A game. So he will remain with the 4-3-3.

Problem is he doesn't have much options upfront at the moment, with Robinho not in form and Pato out, he really should consider changing formations. But I guess he is as stubborn as the rest wink.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 23 2010, 09:39 PM) *
Sexy isn't it? She's my baby! A bit worn for wear...she can still give Seedorf a close run around the San Siro pitch.

She sure can, particularly the first one, with that paddle power. laugh.gif Not so certain about the heavy engine ones, Seedorf would probably be rolled into the pitch if one runs over him, he is that darn slow.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2010, 05:54 PM) *
Rino, Pirlo, Seedorf in midfield??? When we have Flamini and Boateng being wasted??!! WTF?!! And Robinho can only gain fitness by playing, not getting 5 minutes every game I hope Gazzetta are seriously wrong on this one!

Quoted for truth. sad.gif I hope Gazzetta are dead wrong on this one too!
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 24 2010, 02:36 PM) *
Well, Allegri did say that he wont change the formation, regardless of results after the 3rd Serie A game. So he will remain with the 4-3-3.

Problem is he doesn't have much options upfront at the moment, with Robinho not in form and Pato out, he really should consider changing formations. But I guess he is as stubborn as the rest wink.gif

How can we know if Robinho's in form? He has barely played. Allegri keeps talking about his fitness, but that can only be gained through playing matches. He doesn't want to change the formation? Fine! Then play Robinho, not Boateng there! If he doesn't think Robinho is ready then switch to 4-3-1-2 FFS! The 4-3-3 without the neccessary players is going to sink us!

Allegri needs to get his head out of his @ss right now or our season will be over before it started! I defended him up to the moment he started pulling this cr@p on us. What was the point of getting rid of Leo if we're still swimming in the same pile of cr@p?!

EDIT. R7 this is not directed at you. I'm just venting at the current situation we find ourselves in wink.gif
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE
Allegri called these players :

Abbiati, Amelia, Roma

Antonini, Nesta, Thaigo Silva, Sokratis, Zambrotta, Yepes

Abate, Boateng, Flamini, Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso

Robinho, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi, Ibrahimovic

Injured: Ambrosini, Pato, Bonera

Not called: Oduamadi, Montelongo, Oddo, Jankulovski, Onyewu e Strasser.


Possible formation :

Abbiati

Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini

Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng

Robinho – Ronaldinho

Ibrahimovic


source: link
William405
Haha Bonera is injured,I remember someone betting that he will start at rb tongue.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 24 2010, 07:33 PM) *
Possible formation :
Abbiati
Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini
Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng
Robinho – Ronaldinho
Ibrahimovic

I like that line-up.
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 24 2010, 07:33 PM) *
Possible formation :

Abbiati

Zambrotta – Nesta – Silva – Antonini

Flamini – Pirlo – Boateng

Robinho – Ronaldinho

Ibrahimovic


source: link


According to, whom? unsure.gif

We'll play like this, according to Sportmediaset:

Abbiati
Zambrotta - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Gattuso - Seedorf - Flamini
Boateng - Ibrahimovic - Ronaldinho


I'd agree about giving Pirlo some rest and let Seedorf play in his position instead, but why oh why does Allegri keep playing Gattuso, and mostly, Boateng in attack? It doesn't make any f@cking sense!!!

Edit: I'll be going to the stadium, by the way, hopefully to bring some luck. sleep.gif
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2010, 11:11 PM) *
According to, whom? unsure.gif

We'll play like this, according to Sportmediaset:

Abbiati
Zambrotta - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Gattuso - Seedorf - Flamini
Boateng - Ibrahimovic - Ronaldinho


I'd agree about giving Pirlo some rest and let Seedorf play in his position instead, but why oh why does Allegri keep playing Gattuso, and mostly, Boateng in attack? It doesn't make any f@cking sense!!!

Edit: I'll be going to the stadium, by the way, hopefully to bring some luck. sleep.gif


I posted the source tongue.gif.

We'll see how we'll play... wink.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 25 2010, 12:15 AM) *
I posted the source tongue.gif.

We'll see how we'll play... wink.gif


Well, that's your website, if I'm not mistaken. Where did you get your inspiration from?
shevchenko_007
I keep hearing that Robinho can't play because he is out of form... If somebody can please tell me how gattuso and seedorf are in form then i would love to know? It is completely unfair that robinho is getting no game time when he is the direct replacement for pato.
I don't mind the 4-3-3 as this is the only way ronnie can play and i dont want to see him on the bench.

A good line up for me would be:
-------------------Abbiati------------------

Zambrotta----Nesta----Silva----Antonini

-----Flamini------Pirlo------Boateng------

Robinho-----------Zlatan----------Ronnie

I agree we need a change, but with the right players then the 4-3-3 can still work, especially with a hard working midfield that can still pass a ball. I would like to see boateng playing on ronnie's side, i think they would link up well together and ronnie will appreciate his energy and use of space, unlike slowdorf (who i think is killing ronnie's spirit)
Kourosh
I want to see Robinho play. I think the best thing is to stick with 4-3-3 but Allegri must use the right players in their right positions. Boateng in wings is just crazy. Robinho should play even if he is not completely fit. In every press conference Allegri says that he should have had more time to work with the team so new players could adapt to their roles and every time he says we have to improve but how in the world you can improve if you're changing your line-up every game? Playing Gattuso is another mystery which needs to be solved.

But IMO the most important thing is to play Antonini and Zambrotta in FB positions. all other options there are completely useless.

I also agree on playing Pirlo in front of two defensive midfielders. He can be more like Sneider that way.

QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Sep 25 2010, 02:04 AM) *
I would like to see boateng playing on ronnie's side, i think they would link up well together and ronnie will appreciate his energy and use of space, unlike slowdorf (who i think is killing ronnie's spirit)


Bad idea. Boateng is our only runner who joins the attack line very well. So he can use Ronaldinho's long balls like he did against Auxerre. Playing him next to Ronaldinho will neutralize this threat. And the only positive thing about Seedorf right now is that he has good chemistry with Ronnie IMO.

Anyway if Boateng plays in midfield he runs around the pitch very well, but Allegri must play him in HIS position.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2010, 10:37 PM) *
Well, that's your website, if I'm not mistaken. Where did you get your inspiration from?


Allegri's Press Conference.

He said that he wont play Pirlo and Seedorf together. And he said that IF Pirlo is injured Seedorf will replace him. So this means that Pirlo will be first choice. He also said that Robinho can't play for 90 minutes but he can start so this means he will start but can be replaced in the second half.
Bluesummers
Good news to hear.


So tomorrow he'll play:


-Boateng-pirlo-flaimin

-robinho-ibra-dinho



We'll see if it works with binho.



William405
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 25 2010, 10:35 AM) *
Allegri's Press Conference.

He said that he wont play Pirlo and Seedorf together. And he said that IF Pirlo is injured Seedorf will replace him. So this means that Pirlo will be first choice. He also said that Robinho can't play for 90 minutes but he can start so this means he will start but can be replaced in the second half.



That's great news.So Boateng won't play on the wings,that's were robinho will be,and seedorf won't play.And I'm betting he will start Flamini over gattuso because of the praises he allegri gave to flamini in the pre season.And ofcourse Boateng will start so we may see an awesome midfeild today.
Bluesummers
I wouldn't say awesome quite yet. I'd say we'd have a functioning midfield as so far ambrosini, gattuso and seedorf have been shocking.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2010, 05:32 PM) *
How can we know if Robinho's in form? He has barely played. Allegri keeps talking about his fitness, but that can only be gained through playing matches. He doesn't want to change the formation? Fine! Then play Robinho, not Boateng there! If he doesn't think Robinho is ready then switch to 4-3-1-2 FFS! The 4-3-3 without the neccessary players is going to sink us!

Allegri needs to get his head out of his @ss right now or our season will be over before it started! I defended him up to the moment he started pulling this cr@p on us. What was the point of getting rid of Leo if we're still swimming in the same pile of cr@p?!

EDIT. R7 this is not directed at you. I'm just venting at the current situation we find ourselves in wink.gif


Well Robinho has not had any preseason training with City prior to his move here. While our players have had a good month's work before the start of the season. By saying that, Robinho can still play, just not for more than a half.


I'm telling you, after Ancelotti you will be venting a lot; the standard has been raised biggrin.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (agenth @ Sep 24 2010, 02:59 PM) *

That midfield belongs in an effing museum. seriously.

QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Sep 25 2010, 05:34 AM) *
I keep hearing that Robinho can't play because he is out of form... If somebody can please tell me how gattuso and seedorf are in form then i would love to know? It is completely unfair that robinho is getting no game time when he is the direct replacement for pato.
I don't mind the 4-3-3 as this is the only way ronnie can play and i dont want to see him on the bench.

A good line up for me would be:
-------------------Abbiati------------------

Zambrotta----Nesta----Silva----Antonini

-----Flamini------Pirlo------Boateng------

Robinho-----------Zlatan----------Ronnie

I agree we need a change, but with the right players then the 4-3-3 can still work, especially with a hard working midfield that can still pass a ball. I would like to see boateng playing on ronnie's side, i think they would link up well together and ronnie will appreciate his energy and use of space, unlike slowdorf (who i think is killing ronnie's spirit)

Agreed 1899%.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 25 2010, 11:25 AM) *
Well Robinho has not had any preseason training with City prior to his move here. While our players have had a good month's work before the start of the season. By saying that, Robinho can still play, just not for more than a half.


I'm telling you, after Ancelotti you will be venting a lot; the standard has been raised biggrin.gif

Oh Carlo made me vent twice as much biggrin.gif

With the stupid xmas tree

Rino--Pirlo--Ambro
Seedorf--Kaka
Pippo


puke.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2010, 02:19 PM) *
Oh Carlo made me vent twice as much biggrin.gif

With the stupid xmas tree

Rino--Pirlo--Ambro
Seedorf--Kaka
Pippo


puke.gif


Wasn't that stupid xmas tree that won you the 2007 champions league ? Oh but who cares, we are playing the 4-3-3 with immense success now, we will win twice as much innocent.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 25 2010, 12:34 PM) *
Wasn't that stupid xmas tree that won you the 2007 champions league ? Oh but who cares, we are playing the 4-3-3 with immense success now, we will win twice as much innocent.gif

It worked well in a total of 3 games in the CL ( Man U home and Away, Bayern Away) It was a disaster in the league and we could barely get past Celtic in the last 16. I wouldn't call that a successful system...

Imo our best formation was the 4-3-1-2 under Carlo, that was a system that worked for us. Now we really don't have the players to play it anymore, 4-3-3 imo is our best option, but when it's impossible to play it because we have injured players I don't want to see it used.
agenth
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2010, 01:52 PM) *
It worked well in a total of 3 games in the CL ( Man U home and Away, Bayern Away) It was a disaster in the league and we could barely get past Celtic in the last 16. I wouldn't call that a successful system...

Imo our best formation was the 4-3-1-2 under Carlo, that was a system that worked for us. Now we really don't have the players to play it anymore, 4-3-3 imo is our best option, but when it's impossible to play it because we have injured players I don't want to see it used.

why don't we have the players for 4-3-1-2 anymore?
the only exception is, that Ronnie only loves 4-3-3
which the other 10 players obviously don't like.
han2503
QUOTE (agenth @ Sep 25 2010, 12:55 PM) *
why don't we have the players for 4-3-1-2 anymore?
the only exception is, that Ronnie only loves 4-3-3
which the other 10 players obviously don't like.

I don't think it's Ronnie's fault that the coach is too afraid to move him there. Not because Ronnie doesn't like it, imo he can play even better in the center since these days his passing is the most effective part of his play. But Leo and now Allegri are afraid of what would happen should they move him, if it's a failure Silvio will instantly start breathing down his neck because he is adamant about Dinho being a forward rolleyes.gif

If the coach is not willing to try and invest time in playing Ronnie in the hole behind the strikers then, no, we don't have the players for it.

The 4-3-3 is obviosuly not working but for some reason Alleri is going to keep insisting on it, Dinho is already being wasted where he is imo, usually he's shut out for most of the game because of the heavy marking he's under
Coldest
I think we should give last chance for 4-3-3 formation before thinking about something else. We should play Ronnie, Robbie (in Pato's position) and Ibra, from the start and see what happens, and if it doesn't work out then have nothing to do, but giving it up.
acid911
Agree with Coldest. smile.gif Even though I would stir things up this match and go with something different, I think the coach will stick with the 4-3-3 for a match or two at least, that is saying if the results don't come.
Coldest
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday

When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Coldest @ Sep 25 2010, 04:03 PM) *
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday

When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?

Today, I believe it starts in less than 2 hours.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Coldest @ Sep 25 2010, 03:03 PM) *
Date: 25 September 2010, Sunday

When does Milan play ??? Tomorrow or today ?


It's today. But the pirate is still learning english.

http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Match.aspx?idIncontro=3275 for more info
RinoIlCapitano
it looks like we will start with binho on the wing and rino and KBP alongside pirlo, so not so bad, but i prefer flamini over gatuso but the system is the same, one DM (rino) and one box2box(KBP) and pirlo in the regista position , it would be better if flamini would play but the system is ok , i think the better so far.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (RinoIlCapitano @ Sep 25 2010, 04:18 PM) *
it looks like we will start with binho on the wing and rino and KBP alongside pirlo, so not so bad, but i prefer flamini over gatuso but the system is the same, one DM (rino) and one box2box(KBP) and pirlo in the regista position , it would be better if flamini would play but the system is ok , i think the better so far.

I thought Seedorf might play instead of Pirlo? Though it isn't sure. Anyway, but you are right. The midfield is in balance. A DM (Gattuso - Flamini probably isn't match fit), a playmaker (Seedorf or Pirlo), and Kevin-Prince Boateng. 96.gif

Unlike previous matches our midfield and attack seems okay. Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic and Robinho hopefully all can start.

edit: ah, it now is indeed Pirlo instead of Seedorf
acid911
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 25 2010, 07:11 PM) *
It's today. But the pirate is still learning english.

Na, his English is very good, he probably had an overdose of rum. laugh.gif But yeah, the match is about to start in a few hours time. As much as I love seeing the team play twice a week, it surely must be taxing on the players. Still, I just need them to win today - don't care how, just win.
RinoIlCapitano
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 25 2010, 02:24 PM) *
I thought Seedorf might play instead of Pirlo? Though it isn't sure. Anyway, but you are right. The midfield is in balance. A DM (Gattuso - Flamini probably isn't match fit), a playmaker (Seedorf or Pirlo), and Kevin-Prince Boateng. 96.gif

Unlike previous matches our midfield and attack seems okay. Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic and Robinho hopefully all can start.

edit: ah, it now is indeed Pirlo instead of Seedorf

exactly
han2503
QUOTE
MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Antonini; Gattuso, Pirlo, Boateng; Robinho, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho.

Why is Abate playing instead of Zambro??

And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic rolleyes.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2010, 05:20 PM) *
Why is Abate playing instead of Zambro??

And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic rolleyes.gif

Or maybe Flamini isn't match fit or so, and Zambrotta is being rested for the CL match?
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2010, 04:20 PM) *
Why is Abate playing instead of Zambro??

And Rino over Flamini? Not a good decision, we need to get these player's match fitness to 100% as fast as possible, that can only be done through playing games. Rino starting over Flamini in just plain idiotic rolleyes.gif


Not how I expected, but it's good enough to beat Genoa.
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