[d'Arc.LP]

Why on earth is he Bosnian? He was born in Sweden, and only his father is Bosnian. With that logic you could also say he's Croatian, considering his mother is from there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Let me put this way :

If you were born in Italy by a woman from Kosovo and you father would be Albanian. What would you be, Albanian or Italian or Kosovar ?

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 16 2010, 04:28 PM

[X-Offender]

Let me put this way :

If you were born in Italy by a woman from Kosovo and you father would be Albanian. What would you be, Albanian or Italian or Kosovar ?

If I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I'd call myself an Italian.

[CHU-LIP]

If I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I'd call myself an Italian.

+1

Why should someone (Zlatan?) be what his father is and not his mother? Why is one parent's blood more important than the other's? If you are born and raised in one country, then that is the country that is familair to you more than any other country in the world. (Now it would have been different if you move to one country in your twenties, and then decide to play for that national team.)

[d'Arc.LP]

If I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I'd call myself an Italian.

You are wrong, so wrong !

I'm sad to hear that from an Albanian. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Zed.D]

If I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I'd call myself an Italian.

FINALLY Kurt has someone to agree with him on this issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) it's easy for you to say that cause you're European, your country borders Italy (am I right?) etc. but if someone is born to Chinese parents in Italy, do you think of them as Italian? really?

[d'Arc.LP]

FINALLY Kurt has someone to agree with him on this issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) it's easy for you to say that cause you're European, your country borders Italy (am I right?) etc. but if someone is born to Chinese parents in Italy, do you think of them as Italian? really?

That shouldn't be a fact to determine what you are.

There's a bigg difference between Citizenship and Nationality.

For ex. I'm Citizen of Kosovo but I'm Albanian.

X-Off lives in Italy so it's Citizen of Italy but his parents are Albanian (I guess). So that makes him Albanian.

What X-Off is talking about is something I call assimiliation.

[X-Offender]

I don't actually live in Italy, I'm here for studies. This is my third and probably last year. My home is in Albania.

[CHU-LIP]

FINALLY Kurt has someone to agree with him on this issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) it's easy for you to say that cause you're European, your country borders Italy (am I right?) etc. but if someone is born to Chinese parents in Italy, do you think of them as Italian? really?

If someone with Chinese parents and a Chinese appereance is born and raised in Italy, he speaks Italian as child as his first language, Italian is what he knows the best, Italian culture is what he knows the best, Italy is where he has lived all his live. China he never or rarely has been to, he don't know much about China. Someday someone says to him you can't be Italian because your parents weren't Italian! Say what now? Or: you can't be Italian because you don't look like us! Say what now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I believe that's cruel and dare I say racist? Italy has been your country all your life but then others say you aren't because of appereance or your parents. That's sounds awfully wrong to me. Now he can't play for Azzurri but instead he should play for China where he possibly never has been to? Maybe he doesn't even speaks Chinese! But still: don't play for Italy, go all the way to China instead! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) You don't belong here! You are different!

What X-Off is talking about is something I call assimiliation.

What does assimiliation mean?

[d'Arc.LP]

I don't actually live in Italy, I'm here for studies. This is my third and probably last year. My home is in Albania.

And you call your self Italian (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) ?

Sorry for being such an "arrigo-sacchi", but I found that wrong and I neeeded to tell you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If someone with Chinese parents and a Chinese appereance is born and raised in Italy, he speaks Italian as child as his first language, Italian is what he knows the best, Italian culture is what he knows the best, Italy is where he has lived all his live. China he never or rarely has been to, he don't know much about China. Someday someone says to him you can't be Italian because your parents weren't Italian! Say what now? Or: you can't be Italian because you don't look like us! Say what now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I believe that's cruel and dare I say racist? Italy has been your country all your life but then others say you aren't because of appereance or your parents. That's sounds awfully wrong to me. Now he can't play for Azzurri but instead he should play for China where he possibly never has been to? Maybe he doesn't even speaks Chinese! But still: don't play for Italy, go all the way to China instead! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) You don't belong here! You are different!


What does assimiliation mean?

http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/assimilation

as·sim·i·la·tion   [uh-sim-uh-ley-shuhn] –noun
1.
the act or process of assimilating; state or condition of being assimilated.
2.
Physiology . the conversion of absorbed food into the substance of the body.
3.
Botany . the total process of plant nutrition, including photosynthesis and the absorption of raw materials.
4.
Sociology . the merging of cultural traits from previously distinct cultural groups, not involving biological amalgamation.
5.
Phonetics . the act or process by which a sound becomes identical with or similar to a neighboring sound in one or more defining characteristics, as place of articulation, voice or voicelessness, or manner of articulation, as in  [gram-pah] Show IPA for grandpa. Compare dissimilation ( def. 2 ) .


World English Dictionary assimilate

— vb (usually foll by into or with ) (usually foll by to or with )
1. ( tr ) to learn (information, a procedure, etc) and understand it thoroughly
2. ( tr ) to absorb (food) and incorporate it into the body tissues
3. ( intr ) to become absorbed, incorporated, or learned and understood
4. to bring or come into harmony; adjust or become adjusted: the new immigrants assimilated easily
5. to become or cause to become similar
6. ( usually foll by to ) phonetics to change (a consonant) or (of a consonant) to be changed into another under the influence of one adjacent to it: (n) often assimilates to before (k), as in ``include''

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 16 2010, 05:58 PM

[X-Offender]

And you call your self Italian (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) ?

Huh, when did I call myself Italian? I said if I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I would call myself an Italian. I was merely pointing out an example. I could have easily said French or Spanish instead.

[CHU-LIP]

Huh, when did I call myself Italian? I said if I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I would call myself an Italian. I was merely pointing out an example. I could have easily said French or Spanish instead.

d'Arc himself actually came with Italy as example (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But why do you care so much how someone feels what he is, d'Arc? I have a question for you: what is someone with a father of Norway, a mother of Denmark, and himself is borned and raised in Finland?

[d'Arc.LP]

Huh, when did I call myself Italian? I said if I was born and raised all my life in Italy, I would call myself an Italian. I was merely pointing out an example. I could have easily said French or Spanish instead.

Oh, there's an if (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .

I thought you were born and raised in Italy ...

d'Arc himself actually came with Italy as example (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But why do you care so much how someone feels what he is, d'Arc? I have a question for you: what is someone with a father of Norway, a mother of Denmark, and himself is borned and raised in Finland?

Nor-Den-Fin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Well he would be citizen of Finland and his nationality would be Norwegian or how do you call people of Norway OR he is what he FEEL he is. (it's between Norway and Denmark)

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 16 2010, 06:08 PM

[CHU-LIP]

Nor-Den-Fin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Well he would be citizen of Finland and his nationality would be Norwegian or how do you call people of Norway OR he is what he FEEL he is. (it's between Norway and Denmark)

Why do you pick Norway? Why is your father more important to decide your nationality than your mother?

And what if he feels Finnish?

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 16 2010, 06:10 PM

[d'Arc.LP]

Why do you pick Norway? Why is your father more important to decide your nationality than your mother?

And what if he feels Finnish?

Ok I'm not very good english speaker so maybe I made an error. By nationality I mean race... Race is determined by the origin of your bloodline.
I looked in the dictionary and I saw that nationality was not the right word to use or maybe it was, IDK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) .

About the question. Nationality or race or whatever that is and I want to say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) , is about lifestyle, culture, language etc ... (I hope you know what I mean :$ )


X-Off translate the word "KOMB" for me please (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Is it about nationality or race?

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Why i picked father before mother ?

I don't want to answer this question, we are already talking Off Topic.

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 16 2010, 06:22 PM

[CHU-LIP]

Why i picked father before mother ?

I don't want to answer this question, we are already talking Off Topic.

I was very curious to read the answer. Because I could not think of it myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Race, yes, race is about your origin, that's true. Kinda different from nationality I'd say.