[han2503]

nice post , even tough i dont agree with it.

Kaka first of all isnt the symbol of milan , imo . Maldini always was. And since kaka is leaving , he wont be either.It isnt about who is the better player , its about who wears the rossoneri colours in his heart and is a leader.

Offcourse Milan is thinking about selling him , but if Kaka really wanted to stay , he wouldnt be going nowhere. In the end , its his decission. Otherwise there wouldnt be a talk this evening and milan would have sold him to manchester city for much more money.

Milan has and will always be bigger then the players

Yes it is his decision, but would you stay at a club that has made it pretty clear that they don't want you? No matter how many times you've made it clear you want to stay?

Kaka has been used in this whole situation by our greedy management. It's clear that Berlu does not want to put another cent into the club, so the only solution is to sell Kaka.

I don;t blame Kaka one bit if he leaves. The treatment he's recieved from our management has been appaling. Theyr treated Emerson and Brocchi better then they've treated Kaka. It's utterly disgusting to see to tell you the truth.

[Nova]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I'm just left stunned at what I read here.

I mean it cannot be anymore obvious that the club want to sell Kaka for the money. Kaka has said over and over again that he wants to stay. If he really wanted to leave he's had countles opportunities to do what Sheva did but he's always said that he want's to stay, even during the calciopoli trails and UEFA Cup football he's always said he's wanted to stay.

Galliani himself has made it pretty clear that it's the club's choice and not Kaka. Even going as far as to say that Kaka has never himself asked for raises or better conditions.

You can say what you want and you can think want you want about Berlusconi, but everyone knows what he is, he's a classic politician, he lies, he's steeped in controversy, etc. Silvio is coming out and saying that it will be Kaka's decision, ofcourse he says that, he's got elections coming up, and when Kaka does leave he wants to have his hands clean of all this. He's already prepared the fans that it was not his fault, he's already made Kaka to be the bad guy in all of this. It's just disgusting how he's spinning this whole think, and if I were Kaka I would have already told him to p!ss of, flipped him the bird and sign with Real.

As if the whole Man City charade was not enough. Kaka was used in that whole thing as well. Again, if I was Kaka, after all that I've done and all the loyality I've showed for this club I would be more then hurt with how they've treated me. First he was used as somesort of political tool in January and to make it clear that he's for sale, then he's being offered to the first club willing to pay in order to pay off the depth that they brought on themselves by not investing in the club in the first place.

I just find you comments utterly disgusting, offensive and hurtful. Our management are not all they're cracked up to be, let's not kid oursleves, first and foremost our dear president, who's not the most honest of mean out there. And who'se always seen Milan as a platform for himself more then anything else.


Galliani has nothing to do with this, he's the puppit that has his strings pulled. He's the one that has to show his face when things are going badly, but when it's time to celebrate and there's a photo op you'll see Silvio nudging his way though to be front and center.

Again, you can tell me all you want about what Silvio has done for Milan, but don't kid yourself, all that he's done for Milan was firstly thought out about how it would effect him first and not the club. All the money he invested in Milan to begin with was invested to boost his image first and foremost, not for the well being of the club.

i find your insults towards berlusconi worse actually.

Kaka wants to leave more then Milan wants to sell , and you bash berlusconi just so you can once again blame the management for this sell . Well ill remind you again when kaka keeps a press conference about how he always wanted to play for real madrid and kisses the shirt.

Not to mention his nice sallary hell get at madrid , you think maybe he's leaving cause milan cant pay him what madrid is paying ?

Again , if he wants to stay , milan wont sell him , just as berlusconi said too probably , only i dont see any quotes posted about that around here , surprise ...

[Nova]

Yes it is his decision, but would you stay at a club that has made it pretty clear that they don't want you? No matter how many times you've made it clear you want to stay?

Kaka has been used in this whole situation by our greedy management. It's clear that Berlu does not want to put another cent into the club, so the only solution is to sell Kaka.

I don;t blame Kaka one bit if he leaves. The treatment he's recieved from our management has been appaling. Theyr treated Emerson and Brocchi better then they've treated Kaka. It's utterly disgusting to see to tell you the truth.

How do you know this ? all that from news post ??

The treatment he received ??? He was the best payed player of milan and got sallary raises as much as milan could afford , he was even in line for possible captaincy , he always played when fit and was loved by everyone ... You're right , the managment treated him like dirt . For making him the worlds star player he is today , how shamefull !!

[han2503]

i find your insults towards berlusconi worse actually.

Kaka wants to leave more then Milan wants to sell , and you bash berlusconi just so you can once again blame the management for this sell . Well ill remind you again when kaka keeps a press conference about how he always wanted to play for real madrid and kisses the shirt.

Not to mention his nice sallary hell get at madrid , you think maybe he's leaving cause milan cant pay him what madrid is paying ?

Again , if he wants to stay , milan wont sell him , just as berlusconi said too probably , only i dont see any quotes posted about that around here , surprise ...

Right there, all you're saying is all the cr@p Berlusconi is feeding you.

Again, Kaka had countless opportunities to leave, when our fabulous management got us involved in calciopoli he maintained his stance and said he wanted to stay, when we didn't make it to the CL because the management refused to invest in our ailing team, Kaka stuck, said he wanted to stay.

When Kaka was wh@red out by our management to Man City in order to give Berlu a political boost Kaka maintained that he wants Milan.

Now Kaka has repeatedly said that he wants to stay at Milan but again the management have betrayed him and offered him to the first club that was willing to throw money their way. And as I said I would not blame Kaka one bit for leaving, the treatment he's recieved from our management is lower then low. If Kaka does stay in the end it will be all down to him and his persistance to stay against our management's wishes, but if he does stay I would really question Kaka's self value. As he must think so less of himself to stay at Milan and be our management's punching bag.

And what do you expect him to say once he's been sold to Real and made to hold a press conference? "I'm here against my will. I wanted to stay at Milan but they chose to sell me". That would really win over the hearts of the Madrid fans. The pig head throw at Figo would pale in comparison to the reception he would get

[han2503]

How do you know this ? all that from news post ??

The treatment he received ??? He was the best payed player of milan and got sallary raises as much as milan could afford , he was even in line for possible captaincy , he always played when fit and was loved by everyone ... You're right , the managment treated him like dirt . For making him the worlds star player he is today , how shamefull !!

It's pretty obvious regarding the money issue looking at the management's track record over the past 4 years isn't it. Berlu has not invested in Milan in ages. Believe what you want...

Yes the treatment he recieved. First of all he was never in line for captain, that's Ambro and Rino's position simple as that. It's pointless to talk about Kaka as captain. He was the best payed player at Milan on merit, Galliani said himself that Kaka has never once asked for raises in salary. He made himself a star player by what he did on the pitch. Milan made him nothing, talent like Kaka's would not have gone un noticed for long and another big club would have bought him if it weren't Milan. In fact Chelsea were in the race to sign him from Sao Paolo along with us, but Kaka chose Milan.

Oh so the Man City saga and this current saga we have to go through is 5 star treatment from our management?

One last thing, you say this is all Kaka's fault? Had the management said no to the offers like they did in the past, we would have never been in this situation in the first place. But they chose to listen to the offers. That mean they are the ones that want to sell him. Had Kaka been the one to want to leave things would have played out like they did with Sheva. But it's clear that it's out beloved management that has set the ball rolling for this. And they only did that because they do want to sell him.

[Zed.D]

han you're amazing!

[Habitant]

How do you know this ? all that from news post ??

Kaka wants to leave more then Milan wants to sell

[Nova]

Say what you want , all i read is stuff from someone who takes this oppurtinity to point the finger and wants to say "I told you so" .

And my oppinion is far less biased as yours , i cant possibly imagine you ever say anything good about the milan management . You go as far as blaming them for the calciopoli sanctions ? thats pretty low man , as you know as well as me how merda was involved . yet you take this chance too to blame them even more .

offcourse kaka has done a lot , but milan has done a lot for him too . but you cant say that cause that would require you to say anything possitive about the management and that would be too much right ?

i dont want kaka to leave either , but i wont jump on the bandwagon and blame berlusconi just so i can express my anger .

You go ahead and protest , see where it'll get you , you'll be shouting hail berlusconi the second we win trophies again.

[Zed.D]

@ hab

Good point (IMG:http://www.pic4ever.com/images/30upn9j.gif)

[han2503]

Say what you want , all i read is stuff from someone who takes this oppurtinity to point the finger and wants to say "I told you so" .

And my oppinion is far less biased as yours , i cant possibly imagine you ever say anything good about the milan management . You go as far as blaming them for the calciopoli sanctions ? thats pretty low man , as you know as well as me how merda was involved . yet you take this chance too to blame them even more .

offcourse kaka has done a lot , but milan has done a lot for him too . but you cant say that cause that would require you to say anything possitive about the management and that would be too much right ?

i dont want kaka to leave either , but i wont jump on the bandwagon and blame berlusconi just so i can express my anger .

You go ahead and protest , see where it'll get you , you'll be shouting hail berlusconi the second we win trophies again.

This was not an I told you so moment for me. I'm just saying things like I see them.

Your oppinion is far less biased then mine!!!???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm sorry but you're the one that can't see anything wrong with the way Milan is being managed, you're the one that believes that our management can't put a foot wrong. You're also the one bashing our best and most influential player of the last 5 years just so that the management can look good and come out smelling like roses after this entire thing blows over.

Calciopoli... What can I say about it. You and me have had a number of dicussions about it and we seem to agree with it eachother on the issue. But Milan where punished because our management got involved. Yes Inter are no good b@st@rds and there were probably countless conversations between their management and the refs, but the problem is the tapes where an inside job so of course they weren't going to tape themselves. But fact is our management should have never been involved in the first place. There should have never been a call to tape to begin with. So yes they got us involved in calciopoli, they dragged the Milan name through the mud. And it doesn't matter how small the offence was, it was our name along with Juve's and Fiorentina's that was constantly being brought up in relation to the scandal.

You can't imagine me saying anything good about our management? Go a few pages back of this very thread and you'll see that I do infact say positive things when I see that it's merited. You're the one that can't see any of the negatie things they're doing to the club, I bet you think the Gourcuff deal was a genius move, or that the Oliveira deal was a master stroke of a transfer, just because Galliani and Berlu did them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Imo, you're the one with the rose tinted glasses and biased oppinion and not me.

I am sorry, but what exactly have Milan done for Kaka?? Used him as a political tool? A marketing tool? Made him believe they were loyal to him and turned their backs on him the moment big money was offered? Don't tell me they made him famous and payed him a lot because I've already answered you on that issue.

I don't remember ever saying hail Berlu after we won anything. Especially not now when it's very clear that Berlu does not care anymore. This is not an opportunity for to vent. Far from it. This is not me jumping on any bandwagon just because its the 'cool' thing to do. It's me being fead up with the way things are going for my club, for the league I support in general. We're going to be taking a massive step back this summer, and the big problem I have with us selling Kaka is that the money will not be invested into the squad but going into paying off the depths that we have. Depths that could be avoided had the club been run in a more smart and efficient manner.

I know my comments on a football forum won't get me anywhere, just like I know that you constantly defending everything the management do whether its good or bad won't get you anywhere either. I'm just stating my oppinion here, at the end of the day we all are, and no one had the right one or the bad one. This is a community for discussion, if we all agreed, and said the management can do no wrong then we all might as well pack up and leave as there is no point for the forum to begin with (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Zed.D]

Blog: Little Milan

While Kaka spends his free time signing Real Madrid shirts, Serafino Ingardia wonders what will be of Milan and Serie A once he is gone
-
When Kaka turned down Manchester City we thought his choice to stay in Milan would have been for life. Six months later and here we are again dealing with a transfer saga that will seriously affect the future of the player himself, Milan, his potential buyers and Serie A as a whole.

For the first time in years we had witnessed a great player who, despite ludicrous financial offers, decided to stay at a club which he loves. Yet Milan are more than willing to sell him for a profit, a shocking attitude for an outfit who have historically kept their best players in their prime – and sometimes past it.

It is pretty clear that they are short of cash at Milanello these days. President Silvio Berlusconi is suffering the consequences of the financial crisis and football is just becoming an expensive toy. Yet in the middle of this scenario are passionate Rossoneri fans who feel abandoned, downhearted and hopeless.

Milan are by far Italy’s most illustrious side in Europe. By selling Kaka their status will be hit. How are they meant to rule Serie A again while attempting to win another Champions League if they get rid of their best player, a man who some tipped to take Paolo Maldini’s armband next season?

But the most important issue in this whole affair is a different one. Once the Brazilian is gone and the Rossoneri receive an important injection of cash from Madrid, what would they do with it?

If let’s say they reinvested it in world-class talents then it would justify, to a certain extent, their actions. Or are they planning to buy another Ricardo Olivera as they did following the sale of Andriy Shevchenko?

But, alarmingly, there is no guarantee that such money would be reinvested in the squad. And if that happened then it would be the end of a glorious era. In turn, Berlusconi would be better off passing the club on to some millionaire sheik.

Serie A would in no doubt be a poorer place without Kaka. Instead of moving forwards, the sale of the Brazilian would be one step backwards. During a time when Inter and Juventus are doing all they can to restore Italian pride in Europe, it would have been nice had the Diavolo sat at the same banquet rather than opt for a frustrating diet.

[han2503]

^^^^

I've read that this morning. So said and painful but true.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

He's gone, as the article says above, Milan and the Serie A will be a far worse place without him. I sincerely hope we find someone who at least can have a similar role to him, if we don't invest this money we are seriously floored. I can't see us winning anything within the near future, I just hope that maybe in 3/4/5 seasons time when we have a sufficient, Title/European winning potential squad again we can look back at this and say 'it was probably for the best'.

I think there is still going to be a number of big names going places this summer, Ribery, Zlatan, Eto'o, to name but a few. I can't help thinking the Serie A will be losing some more of it's 'galacticos' at a time where the Spanish and English leagues are realistically streets ahead both in finance, and winning potential.

[CrazyMilanFan]

it is official kaka is leaving the FA of brazil said it

[TriniKing_CE]

Nice article [blog] Zed.D!