[Jack Sparrow]

There was a fight? Please tell me Pirlo hit someone... What is it with injuries man!! Not one game in this season has Carlo had a full team to call on...

[Fillipo Simone]

Win - Milan - 3 points!

But let's continue with the can't-do attitude. Oh, just wait a few more minutes till Ancelotti or Galliani speak their press conference so we can hammer them once again.

[Tennie]

One of the Cagliari players (Fini, I think) pushed Abbiati down. Beckham rushed to the defense of his teammate and, well, handbags commenced. Lots of players involved but, sadly, no Pirlo punches thrown.

[han2503]

Win - Milan - 3 points!

But let's continue with the can't-do attitude. Oh, just wait a few more minutes till Ancelotti or Galliani speak their press conference so we can hammer them once again.

Oh please like that was a game to be proud of... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

C'mon han.

One second we say Inter are doing it right..and that ugly wins are the way to the championship. Now we say Milan have to play Bella Calcio or lose...

You saw the lineup. We had one striker. And Viudez? A 5ft 4 inch striker in a lineup comprising people like Pirlo, Beckham, Janku and Seedorf? At least Inzaghi can jump a couple of feet higher. Viudez would be invisible. And then you could criticise how just like he did with Yoann, Viudez was put in a no-win situation where his confidence broke.

[han2503]

C'mon han.

One second we say Inter are doing it right..and that ugly wins are the way to the championship. Now we say Milan have to play Bella Calcio or lose...

You saw the lineup. We had one striker. And Viudez? A 5ft 4 inch striker in a lineup comprising people like Pirlo, Beckham, Janku and Seedorf? At least Inzaghi can jump a couple of feet higher. Viudez would be invisible. And then you could criticise how just like he did with Yoann, Viudez was put in a no-win situation where his confidence broke.

I don't care how we get the 3 points at the end of the day, and I'm not shouting for Bello Calcio, but the way we played was terrible, why does Carlo keep insisting on things that don't work? a 4-4-1-1 with Seedorf supporting Pippo as the lone striker? Really Carlo??? We should thank our lucky stars that the Cagliari defence fvcked up big time or we never would have scored today, we could have been playing for hours and still we wouldn't have scored with the way we're playing, we'de probably have conceeded a couple with the way we just left their players open to take shots at our goal, atleast if you're missing crucial players mix things up a bit not keep aplying the same tactics that barely even work when we're at full strength, let alone with most of our players missing.

Viudez getting the same treatment as Yoann? I don't think that would happen since Yoann was mostly put on the the dying minutes while most of us wanted Viudez to start, at least we would have had someone that could actually run with the ball out there instead of passing the ball from side to side without an end product.

And Pippo, I'm not going to get into it because I'll be attacked, but he cannot handle playing that l position anymore, especially with just Seedorf supporting him, even pushing Beckham higher would have been more fruitful then playing that flat 4 midfield, that has never really worked for us to begin with. Seedorf kept getting booed today and I felt sorry for him because it really was not his fault. He was isolated up there and getting triple teamed, and Pippo couldn't even bother to come down and help him out by holding up the ball for him.

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 22 2009, 05:36 PM

[acid911]

I don't care how we get the 3 points at the end of the day, and I'm not shouting for Bello Calcio, but the way we played was terrible, why does Carlo keep insisting on things that don't work? a 4-4-1-1 with Seedorf supporting Pippo as the lone striker? Really Carlo??? We should thank our lucky stars that the Cagliari defence fvcked up big time or we never would have scored today, we could have been playing for hours and still we wouldn't have scored with the way we're playing, we'de probably have conceeded a couple with the way we just left their players open to take shots at our goal, atleast if you're missing crucial players mix things up a bit not keep aplying the same tactics that barely even work when we're at full strength, let alone with most of our players missing.

Viudez getting the same treatment as Yoann? I don't think that would happen since Yoann was mostly put on the the dying minutes while most of us wanted Viudez to start, at least we would have had someone that could actually run with the ball out there instead of passing the ball from side to side without an end product.

And Pippo, I'm not going to get into it because I'll be attacked, but he cannot handle playing that l position anymore, especially with just Seedorf supporting him, even pushing Beckham higher would have been more fruitful then playing that flat 4 midfield, that has never really worked for us to begin with. Seedorf kept getting booed today and I felt sorry for him because it really was not his fault. He was isolated up there and getting triple teamed, and Pippo couldn't even bother to come down and help him out by holding up the ball for him.

+1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[Tennie]

Oy. More venom. yay.

Odd how nobody was slating Pippo when he scored against Bremen.

[han2503]

Oy. More venom. yay.

Odd how nobody was slating Pippo when he scored against Bremen.

It would have come off as harsh to criticise him , but still it was a bad game on his part, apart from the goal he missed countless chances that he would have scored with his eyes covered and feet bound a couple of years ago.

Also the fact the he's constantly offside or falling down was a big problem, at one point he would have gotten a tap-in today had he not fallen down in the box, atleast in the past when he used to dive he did it with more thought then he does these days.

Are you saying that Pippo should be applauded for his display today? Atleast if he's not scoring he should be able to do the simle task of holding up the ball and relieving an over-worked Seedorf of some of the pressure he was constantly put under by playing the position he played today. Imo, today's performance from Pippo was a really lazy one, even when there were chances where he could have stretched and reached the ball he didn't take those either

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 22 2009, 05:51 PM

[dst]

You saw the lineup. We had one striker. And Viudez? A 5ft 4 inch striker in a lineup comprising people like Pirlo, Beckham, Janku and Seedorf? At least Inzaghi can jump a couple of feet higher. Viudez would be invisible. And then you could criticise how just like he did with Yoann, Viudez was put in a no-win situation where his confidence broke.

Seedorf should have come off. He scored this time but he's lost us way too many points with such performances in the last few seasons. It's not that Carletto's starting formations but it's annoying that he does nothing to change the flow of the game. Of course Seedorf would start but when he's that bad (he was BAD) you have to take him off. Put Viudez in his place. Would we win? Maybe not but at least we'd know the coach had tried to change things. No, Viudez is not our savior but he has pace, he could have changed things. Had we conceded today we would have never won. It worked today but most of the time we pay the price when we play like this. The thing is, this little notion that as long as we win everything's fine is simplistic and silly to say the least.

The other annoying thins is that, you know it better than me, Seedorf is not going to be reprimanded for his awful display.

[Jack Sparrow]

I honestly don't recall the last time Pippo held the ball. Really..when was it? Must be the same match Kaka pulled a slide tackle when a striker was one-on-one with our GK.

Viudez run with the ball. We haven't even seen him in Serie A. I for one, am in no doubt, left to play on his own without someone strong alongside him, he'd be hammered by Serie defences. 5ft 4 inches yeesh!! If that doesn't say NOT-SOLE-STRIKER...I don't know what does.

Pairing him with Pippo? Who would we sacrifice? Beckham pushed up? That's trying something different. That's like saying Ambro should be pushed up to striker since he's good aerially and can do something with crosses. Of course when we tried that and failed...we were all like 'What was Carlo thinking!'

Same tactics. Today's game, was mostly about putting in crosses and long balls in. We only had the players to do that. The only striker who could deal with it was Pippo. Certainly not Viudez.

To see Viudez at his best, I'd put him in the trident...

--------Marco------
---Pato---------Tabarez

Then his pace down the right would be deadly. You said Pippo and Seedorf was being triple teamed and couldn't do anything. You can imagine what Serie A teaming would do to Viudez.

My point was Viudez was not the person to play this match, in this formation, with the type of players we had.

I honestly think we did well under the circumstances. Our first half was pretty decent...and if Pippo was more than 2 games old, we'd have a better scoreline.

[Tennie]

Fair enough, han. At the same time, I'll expect you not to come after ME if I criticize players you do like for future performances.

In general, there's an awful lot of negativity toward...just about everything here. This is not pointing fingers at any individual poster, just an observation. Milanfan seems to have become a place at which people vent all their negativity. It's not a lot of fun.

I've grown very tired of it.

[kurtsimonw]

Pato-Viudez would be too short a frontline. They'd boss over them. We should have got Heskey. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I hate you and your sly little comments towards me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I didn't see the game as I was forced to go out. I'm guessing by the comments made by some that the performance was hardly something to remember..

[han2503]

I honestly don't recall the last time Pippo held the ball. Really..when was it? Must be the same match Kaka pulled a slide tackle when a striker was one-on-one with our GK.

Viudez run with the ball. We haven't even seen him in Serie A. I for one, am in no doubt, left to play on his own without someone strong alongside him, he'd be hammered by Serie defences. 5ft 4 inches yeesh!! If that doesn't say NOT-SOLE-STRIKER...I don't know what does.

Pairing him with Pippo? Who would we sacrifice? Beckham pushed up? That's trying something different. That's like saying Ambro should be pushed up to striker since he's good aerially and can do something with crosses. Of course when we tried that and failed...we were all like 'What was Carlo thinking!'

Same tactics. Today's game, was mostly about putting in crosses and long balls in. We only had the players to do that. The only striker who could deal with it was Pippo. Certainly not Viudez.

To see Viudez at his best, I'd put him in the trident...

--------Marco------
---Pato---------Tabarez

Then his pace down the right would be deadly. You said Pippo and Seedorf was being triple teamed and couldn't do anything. You can imagine what Serie A teaming would do to Viudez.

My point was Viudez was not the person to play this match, in this formation, with the type of players we had.

I honestly think we did well under the circumstances. Our first half was pretty decent...and if Pippo was more than 2 games old, we'd have a better scoreline.

Uhm Jack, Viudez is not a striker, and I would have wanted him to play alongside Seedorf so that could play off of eachother instad of Seedorf having to deel with 3 - 4 players whenever he touched the ball.

And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what.

As I said I wouldn't have paired him with Pippo but had him supprt Seedorf in that Kaka role, atleast he would have provided an outlet for when we were counter attacking, and what does his height have to do with anything? Kaka is one of our tallest players yet when it comes to presence in the box he has zero. And I'm not saying that he would have lit the world on fire with a Messi style performance and running circles around the Cagliari defence but there were a lot of moments in the game when we were in desperate need of someone that could attack the spaces left behind with the ball at his feet, no one could do that, it usually resulted in Pirlo getting the ball trying to run with it and losing it or passing it back, or Seedorf doing the same thing. Had we had someone the could actually attack those spaces we could have seen a different game.

Had their been Viudez atleast the Cagliari players would have had someone else to focus on rather then just Seedorf and Pippo. And I don't think pushing Beckham a little further up would have been a mistake, and it's not like putting Ambro as a striker, that comparing apples with oranges Ambro is a DM that has one of the worst touches around, playing him as a striker is a terrible idea, yet it doesn't seem to deter Carlo from doing it, since he's done it in the past and today also (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Pushing up Becks a bit forward so that Seedorf could atleast get some help up there wouldn't have been something like putting Ambro as a striker that's a totally different thing

Fair enough, han. At the same time, I'll expect you not to come after ME if I criticize players you do like for future performances.

In general, there's an awful lot of negativity toward...just about everything here. This is not pointing fingers at any individual poster, just an observation. Milanfan seems to have become a place at which people vent all their negativity. It's not a lot of fun.

I've grown very tired of it.

I don't think I'm attacking Pippo, yes I'm criticising him for his display today and against Bremen but I also praised him for his usual displays just not the one he put on today.

And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what.

As for people being negative and coming on here to vent, what do you really expect when people are so frustrated with how the team plays and how it's being managed of course people are going to vent

[han2503]

Oops, can a mod edit my post and remove the codebox, because I put it in by mistake instaed of a quote and I f****d up the page. Plus my edit button seems to have disappeared (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 22 2009, 06:37 PM