[Tennie]

My objection to more Brazilians is pretty much encapsulated in vnata's comment:

It's no coincidence that Milan like Brazilians. The footballers from that country have EARNED their right to play in the club

This and the fact that there's so very much more stress put on everything having to do with the brazilian players than the italian and the fact that at times one is attacked for daring to suggest an Italian on the squad might actually be halfway decent and that maybe one of the Brazilians isn't playing well.

Seeng as that's where this particular discussion seems to be heading, this is going to be my last post in this thread.

[acid911]

Pirlo and Gattuso are the best in their position, picking anyone ahead of them is a matter of form or maybe tactics. I'd certainly love to have Aquilani and/or De Rossi in Milan though! Man, would that be great!!

Always look for the future! That's my motto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/graduated.gif) Pirlo and Gattuso still are the best, but will they be there ten years down the road? Five? I believe once an established player like them turns over 30, it's about ding-dang time to keep an eye out for the heirs.

It's called sarcasm and I use it regularly.

Of course it is, and I got it the first time (unlike ZD). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) But if you think I'd pass a half-decent chance of bashing Emerson when I had it, then you're wrong. Hehe. I used to like the player, but he's more a liability, in my opinion. A slightly younger mid would have been more welcome, someone who'd have given us more years in the future.

[Habitant]

i think we can all agree they team needs to be improved, especially with young players. also that if we have the choice between a equally good brazilian or italian, for the good of the team (the necessesity to have an italian core) the italian should be picked. but the most import thing is that we sign players that performed, and nationality is secondary.

and it seems that better foreign players are available right now...

This post has been edited by Habitant: Jan 5 2009, 06:39 PM

[dst]

Tennie, I think vnata's comment refers to the Brazilians that currently play for Milan. I personally don't think any one of them is at Milan because of his nationality and not because he's considered (by the management and coach) to be a good player. The fact that the club seem to prefer Brazilian to Italian (or any other nationality) in some cases does not mean they buy a book based on its cover and I think it would not be fair to say any one of them does not deserve to be in Milan judging based on their quality. Are there Italian choices just as good and maybe even better? Maybe there are but that does not mean what we got is not good enough. Your logic should then apply to all cases and you should have mentioned that there a few fullbacks out there, some of them Brazilians, that are significantly better than Zambrotta at the moment and so Milan should have looked at them, no? But Zambrotta is still a very good player and he was also a bargain... why can't the same be said about Ronaldinho?

This post has been edited by dst: Jan 5 2009, 06:43 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

i'm going to mark these words abt thiago silva. exactly how can you be so sure. have we seen him play? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Shortly, yes. You can anticipate the other comment which logically follow my answer.

Up till now I had no problem having the brazilian factor around. Kaka, Pato, Cafu, Serginho - all players i rate highly and think we're the most incredible representatives of their nationality. Also, they had exemptional personalities.

The thing is, I in generally don't think it's good to have a dominant foreign contingent. Any. So you understand, I'd be argueing the same points about too many Croatians, Germans, Austrians, Swedes or Liberians in the team. I'm not a racist, nor do I have anything against Brazil. I just don't think the brazilian way is a solution for a defense of AC Milan. And if we sign Alex, next season we'll be watching Alex-Silva for a good part of the season. Now let me ask, would you mind it?

[kurtsimonw]

I agree with Tennie/Fillipo that Milan should be buying Italian. Nothing to do with Brazilians, I just think it's always good to keep a strong core of homebased players - preferably with a few that came through the youth academy.

[Zed.D]

I'm not a racist, nor do I have anything against Brazil.

Now I understand why you typed 'puke' after the name of two Brazilians that were linked with us...

[Fillipo Simone]

Now I understand why you typed 'puke' after the name of two Brazilians that were linked with us...

I never ever doubted you'd understand.

[mishie]

I agree with Tennie/Fillipo/Kurt surely to understand and comprehend what it means to play for a club in any league it's better to come from the country of which the team is based. A sense of its history and statue no matter how big or small is only truely appriecated by a native. I support a Italian team i want to see Italians play for it, of course the foriegn influence will always be there but what upsets me is the fact that we but Silva another foriegner but i and several other members know full well that Darmain is more than capable of for-filling that position, is he world-class well my answer to that is not yet but maybe with the correct handling could well be. same as the LB position we have a natural left back already playing in the team with Antonini, again is he world-class again not yet but maybe.

This predicament that most coaches face nowadays of not enough time to wait for the youngsters to come good shouldn't be and isn't one that Carlo faces as he's been here since 2001 so its safe to say that Don Silvio has his trust and those who watched the Udinese game saw both Darmain,Antonini and the bonus of Strasser playing and none of them looked out of place indeed Strasser and Darmain looked perfect once they'd settled into the game so my theory is this yes we need established stars but lets not lose the sense of who we are and what we are.

After all every season we battle for Lo Scudetto not the Campeonato Brasileiro or La Liga etc etc. and as most fans would, i like to see home grown players make the majority of the team not the minority.

[dst]

The thing is, I in generally don't think it's good to have a dominant foreign contingent. Any. So you understand, I'd be argueing the same points about too many Croatians, Germans, Austrians, Swedes or Liberians in the team. I'm not a racist, nor do I have anything against Brazil. I just don't think the brazilian way is a solution for a defense of AC Milan. And if we sign Alex, next season we'll be watching Alex-Silva for a good part of the season. Now let me ask, would you mind it?

This answers my question.
Though I still don't get it how (for example) having in the squad 5 Brazilians is different to having 2 Brazilians, 1 French, 1 Portuguese and a Japanese.

I agree with Tennie/Fillipo that Milan should be buying Italian. Nothing to do with Brazilians, I just think it's always good to keep a strong core of homebased players - preferably with a few that came through the youth academy.

That would be ideal.

[Fillipo Simone]

HURTADO, Un difensore colombiano in prova

Un colpo per giugno, una scommessa dal Sudamerica, l'ennesima: arriva dalla Colombia la notizia per cui nei prossimi giorni sbarcherà a Milanello John Kennedy Hurtado, difensore del Deportivo Calì che affronterà un periodo di prova in rossonero. La notizia è stata confermata anche dall'osservatore in Colombia di via Turati Eddi Marlés che ha spiegato come sia un modo per "Dare un impulso positivo al calcio colombiano": nato il 16 maggio 1984, Hurtado è un centrale di buona esperienza, 181 centimetri per 74 kg che nell'ultima stagione ha giocato da titolare nel suo club. Resterà una settimana in cui verrà sottoposto a dei test fisici ed ad un vero e proprio provino tecnico-tattico, dopo cui verrà decisa la sua posizione: "Sono tranquillo e motivato e voglio dimostrare tutte le mie capacità in un club così grande". Arriverà dunque nei prossimi giorni, accompagnato dal suo procuratore Helmuth Wennin: nel tipo di gioco (e nel curriculum, perchè no) ricorda l'interista Nelson "Tyson" Rivas, essendo dotato di ottime doti atletiche ma anche di una buon capacità tecnica.

[Habitant]

so some colombian defender is on trial and we might sign him?

[dst]

He would only be signed in summer right? The article reads Giugno (June)...

[Tennie]

Yep. It's a trial for a potential summer signing.

[CrazyMilanFan]

is it official?