[Tennie]

I'm not biased against him. I just don't think he's the BEST YOUNG FOOTBALLER EVER and that MILAN HAS RUINED HIM as it appears others do think. I'm also heartily sick of being attacked for not following along with the rest of the sheep on the opinion of Gourcuff. Differing opinions should be welcome here.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Buy guillherme for 15 mil and let him adapt like pato. he'll make you forget about gourcuff in 5 minutes.

he is amazing for me in FM havent seen him reality

[Bluesummers]

guillherme is a much better dribbler than pato. Fast good skills great shot. He doesnt come cheap like pato but hes better than gourcuff. hes 19 too.

[dst]

I did not attack you... that's like saying I also attacked myself by admitting I'm biased against Seedorf. Everyone does it... and I think that when you try to defend the things you mentioned are being said, things that are certainly biased, you come out looking prejudiced. Again, I did not attack you in any sense and I'm sorry if that's how it looked.

[Bluesummers]

guilherme: link
Kerlon and Guilherme: link

both destroy gourcuff in talent both 19

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jan 28 2009, 10:38 PM

[Tennie]

Biased and prejudiced? Is that really how i look? Gosh.

[Fillipo Simone]

As biased as I am against Seedorf you and Tennie (not related to the part I quote) are against Gourcuff. I agree about Modric who has had some amazing games for Croatia at the biggest level but saying Kranjcar is better than Gourcuff and adding that "there is no question" about it is pretty unfair in my view.

Well, maybe you are right, maybe I am biased. But I last season I saw Kranjcar play top level football week after week after week. The season before, he was more then solid, the season before he played in a low-league like Croatia more then very good. That means at least 3 very good seasons behind him, still young, and in addition one of the backbone players of our NT who also played a good Euro and every qualifier match.

Why do I said all of this? Because I think this is the part that gives the advantage to Kranjcar. On the other side we have Gourcuff, which wonderfull clips flash us here every now and then and bombastic compliments are being spilled. While reality is - no one here has the silghtest interest in French league football and the matches (that I conclude by a single look at the "French league-others" section which really turns into a monolog between "myself" and "me the next week", with some notable exemptions). I just thing Gourcuff is overrated and being pushed to hard, while his week sides (which are to me repairable but obvious) are being just left aside. That I also don't count neither as fair nor realistic and unbiased.

[dst]

I just thing Gourcuff is overrated and being pushed to hard, while his week sides (which are to me repairable but obvious) are being just left aside. That I also don't count neither as fair nor realistic and unbiased.

I already said that these comments are also biased. And I hope you realize I'm not trying to get into an ill argument with you and Tennie, what I mean is that when you join a discussion and respond to pro-Gourcuff comments (some of which I've made myself) you tend to exaggerate towards the opposite direction. Just like when you added "there is no question" above... that is all I'm saying and I never said that others, or I, don't do it.

[Fillipo Simone]

I know. But I do it just because I feel or think that the majority of posters here exaggerate Gourcuff and his talent as well.

IMO he's a good player, and it would be good to bring him back. If not, I aint gonna morn about it.

But I don't think in general bias or exaggeration is related with "the last circle of hell". Fans are biased. Fans exaggerate. Italian football is about that! Day after day I have to deal with facts, murders, deaths, stats, migrations, battles, etc. etc. and always be calm, cold, rational, unbiased and objective. So, I may cross the line some times here, but...

This post has been edited by Fillipo Simone: Jan 29 2009, 12:44 AM

[Bluesummers]

I agree with alot of what you guys say and eventhough it is biased it has some true points and some false points.

Gourcuff is 22 and us just letting him go to another club when he has shown the potential to be a superstar is just plain stupid and is a result of poor decision making by the management. That is why alot of people on here are just plain angry. We may sell him for 15 million euro and he has one good season and gourcuff could be sold for 30 million.


When you guys say that oh it doesn't matter that he is being sold he was not that good anyways and so on... is just an ignorant statement because he is still young and was given no chance under our stupid coach. If he was given say 10 full matches then we could really look at his situation and say he is either hit or miss. But carlo put him on in games at the last 10 minutes; furthermore he showed no faith in him and pretty much didn't bother to develop him as a player. To me this puts a smack in the ethical code of a coach and I will never forgive carlo for this no matter how terrible the athelete is. Look at darmian, just being wasted but if he was given game time he could maybe develop into an amazing defender like sergio ramos but thats carlo for ya. The way carlo treated gourcuff shows that either he was never in carlo's plans from the start or carlo is a terrible and stupid coach and should not be sitting at the helm and his success has been due to staff around him and the club.


On the other hand losing him is stupid and a very poor decision by the management to put a cap on his head when he was being loaned for experience, but there is nothing we can do. The deed is done and we should have protested back when this deal was being hit like we did with kaka.

But in all honesty in my opinion whether we lose gourcuff or not, it really has no impact on our team. The only problem I have is with the way he was treated at our club.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jan 29 2009, 05:15 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

Yeah, that was shamefull. Ancelotti really is an idiot. Maybe he should have gone for Willy Aubameyang as well. He could be the next Samuel Eto'o.

[Jack Sparrow]

Don't talk to me about Aubameyang! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I knew he was something special, the moment I saw he looked (a little) like me. Damn you Carlo...daaaamnnnn you!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif)

[Tennie]

it's the last few days of the January window. Transfer negotiations in these days generally take place at a couple of hotels in Milan (the ATA Quark and the Hilton). Tuttomercatoweb stations reporters in each place to follow who's there, who's not, who's talking to who, etc.

Apaprently Milan's Braida is talking to Oscar Damiani. Damiani is a former Milan player who is currently working as an agent for various players, including Panucci. The guess is that Panucci is the subject of discussion.

[Bluesummers]

Yeah, that was shamefull. Ancelotti really is an idiot. Maybe he should have gone for Willy Aubameyang as well. He could be the next Samuel Eto'o.

Are you serious? If hes gonna play players like emerson/brocchi when aubamayang can go on and eventually develop into a good player you think thats smart on his part? And who are you to say Aub cant develop into eto? I bet you said the same thing when kaka came here.

If he doesnt use the youth we should just forget about our youth system. Thats a waste of money afterall according to your theory.

personally I dont care who the coach is, if they ruin a player through purposely neglecting him, he will never have my respect. Thats why I dont have respect for carlo. Great tactian but at this point i would rather have gaurdiola than him. The way hes giving oppurtunity to the youth talent can prove benefitical techincally and financially to the club.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jan 29 2009, 05:58 PM

[Bluesummers]

it's the last few days of the January window. Transfer negotiations in these days generally take place at a couple of hotels in Milan (the ATA Quark and the Hilton). Tuttomercatoweb stations reporters in each place to follow who's there, who's not, who's talking to who, etc.

Apaprently Milan's Braida is talking to Oscar Damiani. Damiani is a former Milan player who is currently working as an agent for various players, including Panucci. The guess is that Panucci is the subject of discussion.

LOL as soon as galliani came out and denied our linking with him that proves automatically that hes already probably our player. We'll probably sign him in the summer.