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Oct 8 2014, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 8 2014, 01:19 PM) Ok, for the third time you're putting incorrect words in my mouth and I'm getting absolutely sick of it. If you can quote where I have included Abate ANYWHERE in the request to Conte, then you're doing well. I expressely said THE CLUB. In other words, they hold the power, they made the request, they pay his wages, and if they have said to Conte to release him from NT duty, his OWN wishes are secondary.
Do you understand the words I am saying? Sorry if you feel misquoted. You're making this way more complicated then it should be. But I disagree. Not for a second to I believe Milan would decide this without Abate's consent or by placing his own wishes in the background. For me it's more plausible and logical that the player said he's not feeling up to it and wants more recuperation time, so therefore Milan backed him. But let's forget about it, it's beyond speculative. My point is, it's a strange precedent.
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Oct 8 2014, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2014, 11:50 AM) Sorry if you feel misquoted. You're making this way more complicated then it should be.
But I disagree. Not for a second to I believe Milan would decide this without Abate's consent or by placing his own wishes in the background. For me it's more plausible and logical that the player said he's not feeling up to it and wants more recuperation time, so therefore Milan backed him.
But let's forget about it, it's beyond speculative. My point is, it's a strange precedent. Far from it, many clubs withdraw their players from NT duty if there's even slightest doubt over their fitness, doubt that wouldn't stop the player playing for his club. These days playing for your country, sadly, has become less important than it once was. Arguably it's even a burden, even if the player himself feels honoured. And if a club thinks their player is even 1% doubtful, they have the power over the national FA to say no. Remember all those times Sir Alex would deny Man Utd players release to play for their countries? Giggs was a famous victim of this. It's just the way the game is nowadays.
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Oct 8 2014, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2014, 12:34 PM) Are you going to the stadium for the game? Jack's right I don't think I can free up space during that time slot (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Honestly though, I'm not sure yet, the stadium here is awful to go to, I think I'd be better off watching on TV
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Oct 17 2014, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE Juventus boss Massimiliano Allegri says he wants to manage in England one day and believes the Premier League is "more fascinating" than Serie A.
Allegri, 47, spent two months in London watching games after being dismissed by AC Milan in January.
"What particularly struck me was how good their infrastructures are and the huge enthusiasm that the crowd has," Allegri told BBC World Focus.
"I hope, in the future, to have the opportunity to coach in England."
Performed well at Cagliari but was surprisingly sacked by current Leeds owner Massimo Cellino in 2010
After a spell on the Udinese coaching staff, he was named Sassuolo boss before managing in Serie A for the first time at Cagliari Won Serie A at first attempt with AC Milan. Finished second and third in following seasons but sacked in January with side 30 points behind leaders Juventus
Allegri, who has also coached Cagliari, steered AC Milan to the Serie A title in his first season in charge in 2010-11.
Milan finished second and third in following seasons but Allegri was sacked in January with the side 30 points behind leaders Juventus.
He was appointed by Juventus in the summer and goes into Saturday's game away to his former club Sassuolo with his side three points clear at the top of Serie A.
Allegri says he would relish the opportunity to take charge of a team in England before he retires from management.
"I was in London for two months when I was dismissed by AC Milan," he said.
"I saw some games to try and better understand English football.
"It's different from the Italian football, it's more fascinating."
Manchester United have been linked with a move for Juventus and Chile midfielder Arturo Vidal.
But Allegri says the 27-year-old is staying in Turin.
"The club has been very clear on Vidal," he added.
"This season Vidal is a Juventus player and I think there's no possibility that in January he'll go to Manchester." I'd like Han and X's thoughts on Allegri at Juve. They fully expected the 'idiot' to melt them, instead they're at 100% win record (Beating us and Roma in the process) and have conceded 2 goals. Thoughts?
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Oct 17 2014, 03:30 PM
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I don't think anyone expected a meltdown. We always said: with the best squad Allegri can master the tasks ahead of him. He did it with Milan, he does it with Juventus. So far, so good.
The problem with him is the fine tuning. We'll see that not in a few days or months, but in time. I'm still convinced Juventus made the wrong decision by picking him, but he may prove me wrong.
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Oct 17 2014, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 17 2014, 03:22 PM) I'd like Han and X's thoughts on Allegri at Juve. They fully expected the 'idiot' to melt them, instead they're at 100% win record (Beating us and Roma in the process) and have conceded 2 goals.
Thoughts? I'll try to find the posts I made to you and kurt on this matter, but what I said is that if Juve maintain the core of the team (which they did) then they'll win the league no matter who's coaching them The win against us was mostly expected as we're nowhere near that level in terms of quality and the one against Roma although impressive was also one fraught with refereeing errors which helped Juve out. Since they did keep the core of their team intact (a record breaking team might I add) I can't see them not winning the league personally speaking, even if they were being coached by you or me. I'm mostly interested to see what he does with them in the CL because that's the area where Conte - imo - failed
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Oct 17 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 17 2014, 08:31 PM) Uh huh, just like Sir Alex's Man Utd won the league, kept the same core of players then crumbled under Moyes?
Your argument has no merit IMO. How can you compare that situation to this one?? Man U had a pretty average team bar one or 2 players when SAF retired, his ability as a manager was more than papering over the cracks. Moyes is a good coach imo but he's not a miracle worker, which SAF was doing imo with that squad in that particular league. Add to that the unrest within the group and all the ugly details that came out later on should tell you how you cannot even THINK about comparing the 2 situations Unlike Moyes, Allegri took over what is undoubtedly the best equipped and most talented squad in the league with a Roma side who have been choking for over a decade now as their only competition. Not saying this to put down Roma in any way, they have a very talented squad as well, but Juve are just better in pretty much every position on the pitch when comparing the squads man for man. Furthermore, you asked a very specific question which pertained to my thoughts now as opposed to the ones I had a few months ago. And therefore I pointed out to you that they remain the same as they've always been. I expect ed Allegri to win the league with this Juve side should their management be able to keep the group as is, which they did. I still expect him to win the title now, therefore, nothing has changed from what I thought then to what I think now about the situation
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Oct 17 2014, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2014, 09:17 PM) How can you compare that situation to this one??
Man U had a pretty average team bar one or 2 players when SAF retired, his ability as a manager was more than papering over the cracks. Moyes is a good coach imo but he's not a miracle worker, which SAF was doing imo with that squad in that particular league. Add to that the unrest within the group and all the ugly details that came out later on should tell you how you cannot even THINK about comparing the 2 situations
Unlike Moyes, Allegri took over what is undoubtedly the best equipped and most talented squad in the league with a Roma side who have been choking for over a decade now as their only competition. Not saying this to put down Roma in any way, they have a very talented squad as well, but Juve are just better in pretty much every position on the pitch when comparing the squads man for man.
Furthermore, you asked a very specific question which pertained to my thoughts now as opposed to the ones I had a few months ago. And therefore I pointed out to you that they remain the same as they've always been. I expected Allegri to win the league with this Juve side should their management be able to keep the group as is, which they did. I still expect him to win the title now, therefore, nothing has changed from what I thought then to what I think now about the situation Usual 'yeah but...' (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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