[Fillipo Simone]

^^

Unbelivable what a Parma match can cause????????? I can't belive it. What can we expect from the Inter derby then? OMG..

You all should cut off the personal level of this discussion. Mostly, 99%, we have true Milan fans here who don't need to prove themself befor anyone. Many of us can't be here for every match or depend on other things too. But that dose not give them any less reason to participate, discuss or talk freely. We reached a philosophical level of the question of liberty&democracy...but in a very unpurpose way.

Bottom line, stop pointing fingers on each others after a stupid Parma draw!

[KillerMax]

Yes, it's easy to get carried away when things are not going our way. But we can all help keep the situation calm and collected. If you feel like flaming someone, just go for a walk and chill. I do it. It works.

Just look how the likes of han, Misha and Tennie handle the situation. They are a good example to follow.

[Fillipo Simone]

Yes, it's easy to get carried away when things are not going our way. But we can all help keep the situation calm and collected. If you feel like flaming someone, just go for a walk and chill. I do it. It works.

Just look how the likes of han, Misha and Tennie handle the situation. They are a good example to follow.

Right. And this situation isn't that bad either. Inter drew with last place team Livorno, Roma and Juve split up their points. So we are on the exact same position as before the Parma match.

[kurtsimonw]

I agree that some are getting carried away. But the situation is a nightmare right now. 4 games, 1 win. Is that really good enough, or even close? Not at all.

[Jack Sparrow]

At least our draws have goals in them. Think of what the Barca fans must have gone through, the last couple of weeks. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And poor Inter....they really need Zlatan maybe even more than we need Kaka.

Ok dst so to talk of your formation issue...good question...but imo Carlo fielded the best 11 that was available to him.

Gila's waiting for Christmas ergo he put on the best striker available to him. We know Gila and Pippo are hopeless together, they can't even pull defenders off since they're running in the same areas.

But imo (you'll have to realize I'm at a handicap here, since what I know of the match is from what little non-inflammatory posts I could read...have I mentioned how pissed off I'am about that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) the turning point here was when Pirlo was marked down. The X-Mas tree is really a deadwood if Pirlo is ineffective. Last season we suffered the effects of his bad form, and this match coz he was marked down.

The problem with the 4-3-2-1 is since Kaka plays virtually as a second forward, it means unless service comes in from the deep mid-field(which in this case was not forthcoming) he's not gonna get the ball enough to give us that added thrust. When we played the diamond he was usually close enough to the action to drop back, making life easier for Pirlo.

So perhaps Seedorf and Ambro were required to combine and combine constructively(without Pirlo's influence) forcing Parma to counter that added threat. But then since we were playing with Brocchi, I guess Ambro was also too bothered playing DM to really do something constructive. But then he got the shot off right?? Actually this kind of scenario would have been ideal for Ballack(since we're talking about him)

If we'd played

Oddo----Bonera----Nesta----Janku
---------------Max--------------------
---------Pirlo--------Ballack----------
----------------Seedorf----------------
---------------------------Kaka--------
--------------Pippo/Gila---------------

Things would be different, we'd have Ballack performing his Leverkusen role. A holding mid who likes to go forward. Marking Pirlo down leaves Ballack wide open. At the same time you don't sacrifice on defence cover as you would if you'd play say a Gourcuff. Gourcuff can sub in for any of Pirlo/Ballack/Seedorf...depending on the tide of the match.

Right...so Chapter 1 dealt with how to make the X-Mas tree work when Pirlo is marked down, and the opposing team is looking to break Milan's plays rather than make one of their own.

So what am I saying. Sell/loan Brocchi, buy Ballack. Emerson can do anything and everything Brocchi does. Ballack takes place in the above formation. Would also come cheaper than Ronaldinho.


So what could we have done since we were without Ballack and have to make-do??

When it looked like we were not making much happen in the second half, and (if Parma's coach is to believed and Reginaldo was set to exploit Janku's open end)....

Oddo----Bonera----Nesta----Kaladze
Cafu-----Max------Andy P----Janku
--------------Kaka--------------------
----------------------Pippo/Gila-------

Switch to the 4-4-1-1 .
Kaladze on for Seedorf
Cafu on for Brocchi (or Brocchi could have stayed on since he has played RM before).

Since our initial wingbacks, can now focus on just being fullbacks, we have a little less pressure on the defence. So if you wanted you could even take Max out and plug in Yoann, in an all out attack. But then prudence being the better part of valour, let's stick with this.

Ideally instead of Janku, it would have to be Sergio, for reasons I'll explain in just a second.

So now before you all say 'We don't play wingers'...I don't require them to.

These guys are meant to crowd the mid-field, meaning cutting Pirlo's space doesn't reduce his avenues of distribution. In fact instead of playing them as wide-men...I would rather have Cafu and Janku charge(and boy they do it well!!) towards the middle of the field from their ends, basically opening up an entire 180 deg. angle of short passes for Andy....and Claude Makalele could be marking Andy but couldn't stop a short pass from our maestro.

Now presuming that Janku or Cafu has the ball, both of them have the skill and the speed to take it up to Kaka. Kaka also has the brains to run into open space. This means now there are double the sources of ball possession (Marek and Cafu) open to Kaka as opposed to the previous one (Seedorf).

Also assuming that Cafu can't cross, he can still dribble like a Brazillian and dart in and out really cleverly. It would be good enough for him to drift wide and cut in.

Janku would I guess do better going wide than cutting in (though he can do it), his ability to cross(and since he's playing from mid-field, cross often) means if we needed, You can have Pippo, Kaka and Ambro stroll into the box for ur theoretical box overload strategy, either ball comes loose to Pirlo for a shot or a new play or to one of our boys in the box or it miraculously is won by the Parma players who start a counterattack only to find they're heading into the arms of 4 of Milan's finest, since our defence is exactly where it is meant to be (defending).

Why I wanted Sergio was coz he could do both. Cut in and dribble through to Kaka or run wide and cross in. Marek is not the dribbler Sergio is, though he might be a better crosses(marginally).


Well tat's my (a lot more than) 2 cents. I'd be very surprised if you guys understood all of what I meant to do. So feel free to ask questions.

[Fillipo Simone]

^^^ (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Jack has it really,..

[Nova]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think you'll find that, like now, you got personal and tried to get me banned, pity it didn't work and I think you'l find it was you who disappeared (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
IMO the above is hypocrisy of the highest order, it's ok for you to bash a player low on confidence but anyone saying anything that disagrees with you is wrong (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
How pathetic.
And when anyone else criticises you start a war(which you usually lose (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )
I think you'll find the majority are here for every game, unlike some who ony return when we win the CL - plastic fans?
Funny how you were the one to return after we won the CL (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And as for enjoying Milan lose, it seeems like you're the one who has the 'oh well' attitude towards losing.

Now as far as I'm concerned I can't stand you and your pathetic immature ways so I will ignore anything else you have to say. For the sake of the other members here I suggest you do the same.

Hah !!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Why do you use the words "when anyone else criticises..."
It was always you & Nostradamus who did .

Oh no , I lost the war (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) anywho , im out

see you when we lose (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by Nova: Sep 23 2007, 09:03 PM

[Rossoneri7]

I don't understand this ... People r just too immature !!!

I am seriously finding it hard to believe that the forum has gotten to the extent of personal insults !!

For what it's worth, this forum is a means to get milanfans together. Sure we all have a different way of looking at things (which is only normal) therefore tolerance should be something we should all have!

Personally speaking .. I am on the forum approx. 4-5 hrs a day, and I enjoy contributing here. But that doesn't mean I don't have a life (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Why am I on ? Cuz none of my current friends like AC Milan, thus I look for insights and stuff in here ... But if this is the level of understanding between the members of this place, then I don't want to sink this low. IT IS A F2CKING INTERNET SITE !!!! People are taking this to another level, as if they have a reputation to uphold or something (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ok I had several arguments with certain members, but that doesn't mean I have to get personal with them ... I mean, sure I disagree, but that is as far as it goes. When someone gets personal, I just turn the other way ... Cuz there is no point in me striking insults to someone on the other side of the world (through a computer screen, c'mon get real (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) .. If u got a dispute you should deal with it face to face, in a manly way (unfortunately that isn't the case..), thus tolerance should be a mature way to deal with things IMO.

Many of the members on here some old and some new, I have disagreed with them on several occasions, but NEVER have I insulted them !! Why ? Because they are here for the same reason that I am on here. And IF I insult them (back) what would be the the outcome of such an action ?! Nothing really, I would just be confirming that I am a person of low self-esteem and thus need to get off by replying with insults for whatever reason (which in the end doesn't mean sh1t!!! cuz when you turn off ur pc screen you are back to reality and really haven't done much).

[mishie]

I don't understand this ... People r just too immature !!!

I am seriously finding it hard to believe that the forum has gotten to the extent of personal insults !!

For what it's worth, this forum is a means to get milanfans together. Sure we all have a different way of looking at things (which is only normal) therefore tolerance should be something we should all have!

Personally speaking .. I am on the forum approx. 4-5 hrs a day, and I enjoy contributing here. But that doesn't mean I don't have a life (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Why am I on ? Cuz none of my current friends like AC Milan, thus I look for insights and stuff in here ... But if this is the level of understanding between the members of this place, then I don't want to sink this low. IT IS A F2CKING INTERNET SITE !!!! People are taking this to another level, as if they have a reputation to uphold or something (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ok I had several arguments with certain members, but that doesn't mean I have to get personal with them ... I mean, sure I disagree, but that is as far as it goes. When someone gets personal, I just turn the other way ... Cuz there is no point in me striking insults to someone on the other side of the world (through a computer screen, c'mon get real (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) .. If u got a dispute you should deal with it face to face, in a manly way (unfortunately that isn't the case..), thus tolerance should be a mature way to deal with things IMO.

Many of the members on here some old and some new, I have disagreed with them on several occasions, but NEVER have I insulted them !! Why ? Because they are here for the same reason that I am on here. And IF I insult them (back) what would be the the outcome of such an action ?! Nothing really, I would just be confirming that I am a person of low self-esteem and thus need to get off by replying with insults for whatever reason (which in the end doesn't mean sh1t!!! cuz when you turn off ur pc screen you are back to reality and really haven't done much).

well said