[d'Arc.LP]

(When) Will the Summer Transfers 2016 thread open ?

Never mind, Ill post here on my thoughts about our next transfer window, if we sell the club.

Whoever buys Milan, should know already that the club is in deep crisis of identity and perfoming. It is not only the players who have lost their mentality, it is also the people around in the menagment who dont behave and work like should. I read rumors that some ex Milan players could be included in menagment (ie Maldini and Rivera) also Leonardo. I personally would welcome Leonardo back in the club, despite the things that have happen with him and the reason to do that is because the man knows how to do his job. The only problem is if he would agree to come back.

As for the team players, I only see Dounnarumma, Romanogli, Bacca as starters in our XI after the summer. Maybe giving Abate, Antonelli, Kucka, Bertolaci (only because we invested quite much in him), Bonaventura, Niang and Balotelli a chance to fight for their place also. As for the likes of Abbiati, Zapata, Mexes, Alex, Montolivo, Honda, Menez and Boateng they shouldnt be let to enter Milanello. Abbiati is past his time as a football player, regardles of the role he plays in. Same goes for Mexes and Alex (who would make a good backup if he was any good to rely on when you need him not to make a mistake), Zapata is someone who never stood up to expectations (based on the kind of performances he delivered when he played for Udinese), Montolivo is a Pirlo wanna be who never had and never will have the skills to perform even as 30% of Pirlo, even though he delivered some good matches when Mihajlovic put him into the fire. Boateng is just a bad recycled paper, we never should have gotten him and sooner we let him go the better. As for Honda and Menez, they have the abilities to pull some things but theyre just not what we need. Honda is no winger (even though he played better at the wing than he is playing now in the center) and Menez is just to selfish to play next to Bacca.

So, based on the above and knowing that we have some players loaned, I would like our team to build around:

First XI: Donnarumma, Romanogli and Bacca.

Chance to prove (Bench - First XI): Gabriel, Abate, Antonelli, Bertolaci, Bonaventura, Suso, Niang and Balotelli.

Back ups: Paletta, De Sciglio, Mauri, Kucka and Verdi.


As for the transfers, we really need someone experienced to play with Romanogli (who I strongly believe can be our second Nesta), someone like Thiago Silva (I read some months ago rumors that he might come back). Hummels would be good also. As for the full backs, I think we should go overseas and search, even though I heard we already signed a left back from Argentina.

The midfield is the most important segment we have to fix and invest on. Kovacic would not be very bad, knowing the kids potential. We also need someone like Witsel in order for us to iron the midfield. Granit Xhaka would be perfect, but the guy is already on his way to England. As for the wingers (supposing we will play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3) then there are plenty of good players we could look up. Shaqiri on the right, who would be eager to prove himself in higher level again after failing with Inter. He is still young and has some abilities that we could use. As for the left wing Im still not sure if I prefer El Shaarawy (heard that Roma is not willing to pay 13m for him) and Bonaventura split it, or I would like us to transfer someone else.

Bacca is a killer striker, he just needs someone to feed him asists. A very skilled dribbler and passer, but I cant think of anyone at the moment. An example would be someone like Menez but a less selfish.

So, my first and back up XI would look like this:

----------------Donnarumma
Abate - Th. Silva ------ Romanogli - Antonelli
------------Witsel --------Kovacic
--Shaqiri----------------------------El Sharawy
--------------Niang ---- Bacca

Back Up XI:

-----------------Gabriel
Calabria - R. Ely ----- Paletta - De Sciglio
-------Kucka/Mauri --- Bertolacci
--Suso ------------------------------- Bonaventura
------------- Adriano --- Balotelli


This would probably cost us at least 100-120m, from which 30-40m would be collected from selling the players left out, but Im sure it would bring us back to Champions Leauge, if not winning Scudetto right away. Sure we need a hell of a coach, I hear we could go after Pellegrini, someone I wouldnt mind at all. He has a lot of experience and skills.

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: May 1 2016, 08:00 PM

[han2503]

I hear you. But do a simple contrast between Niang last season and Niang this season. I see a simple parallel. One season at Genoa. Second season at Milan, where player shows huge improvement, but is clearly not a finished product. Third season, huge improvements and becomes a critical cog.

I mean, this is just contradicting our whole home-grown, youth yada yada nonsense, if we buy talented players for cheap and then refuse to play them saying they're not good enough-what's the point. In the end players need time to play within the team consistently to show progress and get better. If we say play the youth, and then consider only players who are Kaka and Donnarumma level right from the get-go it doesn't work.

Right now all of us think Pierre Aubameyang was a great player who we could have held onto. But he took 6 years to reach where he did. 6 years of consistent game time playing around 20+ games a season.

Suso is being shown a lot of confidence by Montella. In fact the Milan youth are being shown a lot of confidence by Montella. More than anything else, this is what I've liked the most about the new coach. Let it continue. We have to build a new generation team and I think in two or three years we'll end up with a solid side. Short terms results will be average though. But it's fine. At least there's progress.

I think some players have it and others simply don't. Niang and Suso, I would put into the latter category. Niang, like I said, is able to make it work some because he is a beast in terms of his physique, but the fact that at this point in his development he still looks as clumsy as he did 3 years ago when trying to dribble and still has basically very little end product says a lot. I'm not discounting him completely, but moving forward, he certainly not the guy that can help us reach elite status, which is where the management (hopefully) are aiming to get to.

Suso on the other hand hasn't really improved all that much since we sent him on loan. He struggles with the physicality of the league, especially when we're the ones trying to break down defences and not counter attacking, he's not exceptionally fast either, has very little to offer in terms of vision and creativity. Honestly, the only reason I think he's getting the nod from Montella is because he's our only other winger and he wants to use a 4-3-3.

As for youth development, I agree with you about it, but it has to be a balanced project. And I'd say we're doing well in that department without either Suso or Niang, just look at our defensive line. I don't think we've seen that many players all so talented and establishing themselves in the first team since the days of Paolo and Baresi.

Now this is not to say that any of the current drop compare to those 2. But it's very obvious we're moving in the right direction in terms of nurturing talent. But there has to be a good blend. It's why I think we should sign a top quality CB who's already at his peak to partner Romagnoli for example, we need leadership at the back. It's why I think Monto should be replaced with someone who's top quality but also experienced (Cesc would be ideal here, don't know what Montella is going on about there) and why I think we should have someone besides Bacca who's established in attack as well, someone who can create things out of nothing. Maybe we can tempt Zlatan next summer...

I read that Montella has vetoed Fabregas. He wants a proper regista and doesn't see Cesc performing that role. I'd say pick Mikel from Chelsea and Isco from Real Madrid. Buy one and loan the other.

Mikel for me is not the answer, Cesc is. We need a creator who is capable of directing play in midfield, Cesc can do that. Honestly, I don't know wtf Montella is on about here. Waxing lyrical about Monto like he wasn't on the verge of perma-benching him just a couple of weeks ago. Obviously all the praise is mostly just a result of the sympathy due to the injury.

We'd be lucky if esc even considers coming here considering the state of affairs, and he would instantly elevate our midfield from terrible to pretty good. So I don't get why he's saying he doesn't have the right characteristics. Plus Cesc has played in a double pivot at Chelsea to great success (his first season there) something Monto isn't capable of doing.

Montella: "We need someone with Montolivo's characteristics. Fabregas? He doesn't have those characteristics."

What are Monto's characteristics these days exactly? walking aroung the pitch for 90 minutes looking like he's about to keel over and die? I get that he's putting a lot of positive sound bytes out there because Monto must be crushed atm, but come on man. We need someone with characteristics exactly like Cesc's and we also need a dynamic midfielder ala Matuidi/Kante/Sissoko/Vidal to play next to him, not another Monto that's for sure. Any slow, labouring type player who's only there to mop up is useless for us.

Conte wants Donnarumma in Chelsea. Chelsea have requested information from Milan. But the valuation of Donnarumma according to Raiola is €170m. #CorSport


Haha, I would actually not mind selling Donnarumma for 170m or even for 150m.

Sell him, buy Perin for 15-20m and invest the rest in a world class CB, RB, CM and a Winger.

Why sell? We're supposed to have cash and we're supposed to be ambitious now. Any attempts to sell our star players or young high potential players would just show that nothing has changed from when B&G were running this club into the ground

[d'Arc.LP]

What are Monto's characteristics these days exactly? walking aroung the pitch for 90 minutes looking like he's about to keel over and die? I get that he's putting a lot of positive sound bytes out there because Monto must be crushed atm, but come on man. We need someone with characteristics exactly like Cesc's and we also need a dynamic midfielder ala Matuidi/Kante/Sissoko/Vidal to play next to him, not another Monto that's for sure. Any slow, labouring type player who's only there to mop up is useless for us.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I agree with you though. If we are going to play a 2 man midfield we surely need Cesc and a dynamic box to box player next to him.

Why sell? We're supposed to have cash and we're supposed to be ambitious now. Any attempts to sell our star players or young high potential players would just show that nothing has changed from when B&G were running this club into the ground

You have a point, but if someone gives you 170m for a player, you sell, no matter who that player is, even if it is Ronaldo (except for Messi).

Donnarumma is very good, has potential to be the best, but it is not a player that can not be replaced. If we sold Donnarumma and got De Gea, Curtois or a keeper like them instead of him for 30-40m then that would mean that we made a good deal. I am sure that the Chinese have money to invest, but not that much as to refuse a 170m offer for a keeper, when they could use those money and the rest of 300m (as the clause in the contract of selling the club says) to buy some really good players.
I am saying this only if we are offered +100m for him. Under that, there is no point in selling with your argument as proof.

BTW: Han should you open a Winter Transfers topic ?

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Oct 12 2016, 08:30 PM

[han2503]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I agree with you though. If we are going to play a 2 man midfield we surely need Cesc and a dynamic box to box player next to him.

You have a point, but if someone gives you 170m for a player, you sell, no matter who that player is, even if it is Ronaldo (except for Messi).

Donnarumma is very good, has potential to be the best, but it is not a player that can not be replaced. If we sold Donnarumma and got De Gea, Curtois or a keeper like them instead of him for 30-40m then that would mean that we made a good deal. I am sure that the Chinese have money to invest, but not that much as to refuse a 170m offer for a keeper, when they could use those money and the rest of 300m (as the clause in the contract of selling the club says) to buy some really good players.
I am saying this only if we are offered +100m for him. Under that, there is no point in selling with your argument as proof.

BTW: Han should you open a Winter Transfers topic ?

I honestly don't know if this is some sort of way for Montella to quiet Cesc talk so fans don't get their hopes up or to not completely crush Monto's hopes and dreams of ever returning to the team

First off, I don't see ANY club offering us that kind of money for Donna. Not even players who are atm better than him are worth that much. Raiola is just being his usual @sshole self and trying to get the best wage out of us for Donna. No club would offer that for him

And as I've said many times now, I think it's essential that we keep those 4 players (Donna, DS, Calabria and Romagnoli) intact. They are the way forward for us, they can be flag bearers for this Club in the future, why should we sell any one of them? I personally would think long and hard if an offer like that came for him. It's a lot of cash sure, but Donna is a once in a generation sort of player.

Would you give up on having the (potentially) next Buffon?

Also, I've read up a bit on another kid from our Primavera, Plizzarri (I think he's already being used as our 3rd choice) and he's also supposed to be another great talent