i was under the impression that the conversation was about club finances not treatment of former players

It was about our management. Financials are a crucial part, but not the only one that counts.

obviously, but like i said i was under the impression without trawling through page upon page that the conversation was about the fiscal side of the club.

This post has been edited by mishie: Jun 8 2014, 04:42 PM

Clearly we do not have the buying power we had in the past, so it has become harder for us to compete at an international level. However, that should not stop us from trying. In addition, there is no excuse for us not to be successful in Serie A, as our revenues are higher than most other Italian teams. Yet we are failing there as well. Hence my dissatisfaction with management, as they are under-performing, AFAIAC.

FFP and financial crisis are in the past, there should have been enough time for us to adjust and come up with new strategies. Instead, there have been a lot of questionable choices, and we appear to make decisions for short term objectives rather than planning for the future. Unfortunately, it does not look like Berlu wants to sell the team, nor does it look like he will sack Galliani any time soon. And while there have been some positive signs in the last couple of weeks, that is not nearly enough, we need some more sweeping changes and a change in strategy, I think.

What? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) When did we ever spend €100 million? Yes, we could spend around €25-30 million every now and then for a top player (Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Rui Costa, Gilardino, Pato, Ibrahimovic, Balotelli), but €100 million? Never.

Anyway, about the financials argument, I think R7 tries to be too "fair'" in his assessments, always putting too much emphasis on FFP and treating Silvio and Galliani as saviors. But the truth is, in today's football you can get your hands dirty and still get away with it. Look at PSG and City. They've sh*t all over FFP hardcore and at the end they only got away with a fine which doesn't really influence their activities that much. If we overspend and make a loss, it's not the end of the world. At least we'd be building a capable enough team that would pay off in the long term. Otherwise, I don't see a solution to the issue of us becoming big again.

But as Fillipo and many others have said (Forza Milan! has stressed it multiple times), it's not only a problem of not having money, but also a problem of mis-spending those few economic resources we have. So really, it all boils down to mis-management at the end of the day. Berlusconi and Galliani are long overdue their stay in this club. It's time to find someone who's willing to invest and return this club to where it belongs. Roma have done it, and it paid off. Inter are doing it and will eventually pay off. Why can't we do it?

This says we are seriously after Mandzukic. His asking price is 30M, but we will try to get Bayern to drop to 22-25M. To accomplish this we will sacrifice Mexes, Robinho, possibly Kaká (to save on salaries), plus we will sell Balo and possibly DS, and we will not buy Taarabt (we are getting Menez instead).

Have mixed feelings about this. Some of the moves listed above need to happen anyway (in particular, we need to reduce our salary burden). However, I would rather not lose DS, and I am still somewhat lukewarm on Mandzukic. I realize we cannot go after top talent, but I feel we should go after players with promise rather than established players.

Balo: I will win the WC and become a legend

Well, reading the full text what he said is not quite as egocentric, but he does seem motivated to do well. If is successful, are we better off selling him and caching in, or should we try to get him to perform more consistently?

This post has been edited by Forza Milan!: Jun 8 2014, 06:02 PM

My main problem with Mandzukic is his age. Is it really worth it spending €25 million on a 28-year-old? He's not even world class for that matter, just a very good striker. Same argument can be made about Negredo.

Problem is, I don't think Berlu wants to sell, and he does not want to invest either.

Agreed. Feels like we are better off investing some other way.

Indeed, that's my biggest concern as well.

25m+ on Mandzukic is seriously counter productive. And anyway, I read he didn't want to come to Milan, and in all honesty, why would he?

I honestly believe the main reason he doesn't want to sell is Barbara. I think she's managed to convince daddy that she's the right person to lead this club when Silvio kicks the bucket. She's a businesswoman, entering her 30s and ready to give a direction to her life and career. She obviously sees the current Milan as a challenge, but also as an opportunity to build a successfully managed enterprise. Hence why she's always so eager to expand the club's business (Casa Milan, new stadium project, marketing, trips and meetings with potential investors etc.)

I know this is just me shooting in the dark, but I truly believe that's the case.

I like the theory, and to be fair Casa Milan was a very successful project.
Is she up to running the club and making the decisions necessary to move the project forward who knows, guess there's only 1 way to find out

The theory makes sense. I guess we will find out how good Barbara is (though for now Galliani is still in charge with Silvio's support).