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 Jan 16 2015, 02:52 PM
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Allievi Nazionali  Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730  |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2015, 01:44 AM)  Mediocre? Nah, too early to tell. Btw. where do you know a bunch of Croats? I know a bunch of Americans, Aussies, English, Dutch, South American and just about everyone in the Middle & Far East. Twitter is a marvellous thing. |
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Jan 16 2015, 05:48 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 04:50 PM) Odd that. There was me thinking Oscar, Willian, Hazard, and Shurrle could give him service at Chelsea... But Chelsea is quite a different thing. They have Remy and Costa plus Drogba. It's only natural that Torres comes as a surplus. |
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Jan 16 2015, 07:10 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Saponara to Empoli on loan is official.
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Jan 16 2015, 08:33 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,640 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 02:50 PM) Odd that. There was me thinking Oscar, Willian, Hazard, and Shurrle could give him service at Chelsea... The environment at Chelsea wasn't really all that good for Torres, he needed a fresh start as he wasn't working there and that was the case for him from day 1. But the problem is that he switched to one of the most sterile teams anyone could pick. Give me one other top side that plays such a flat, slow, lethargic game as we do. Obviously one game does not erase years of bad form, but I do believe that he's still a good striker with good instincts, you give him service and he will score, maybe not a lot like he used to but a decent return, he wasn't even getting that with us. It's not like we have other prolific scorers that do debunk my theory on this. Our top scorer is Menez and the majority of his goals were scored from the spot. Every CF we've snared in during these last few years (Ibra aside but he's a completely different beast as he can create his own opportunities) has failed miserably with us, no matter how good or bad he was |
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Jan 16 2015, 11:18 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
Must admit your reasoning for his failure at Chelsea is clutching at straws.
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Jan 17 2015, 10:35 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,640 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 11:18 PM) Must admit your reasoning for his failure at Chelsea is clutching at straws. Could be... But when you have a situation like that you have to look at everything, not just the player himself. There are many players who do great things with one team then switch over to another and are complete failures with that team. Usually it's a conflict of styles and/or personalities. Sure Torres declined but I do think that both of those issues came into play for his failure at Chelsea, add in the huge transfer fee and it was a recipe for disaster. Think of Sheva for example, I'm pretty confident that had he stayed with us, he'd have continued to do great things with us, and his decline would have been more gradual and natural. He was still as prolific as ever before the move. But factor in the injury, moving to a new league and club who had a coach that never really wanted him and never made space for him and you have the massive plummet that Sheva went through |
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Jan 17 2015, 02:06 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
Suso confirmed. He's here now.
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Jan 17 2015, 02:06 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Suso is official. He will join the team on Monday.
SUSO | Goals, Skills, Assists | Almería | 2013/2014 He's got talent, can't deny that. |
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Jan 17 2015, 02:54 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
Did we really need another Menez/Cerci though?
I never for one second reckoned Suso can't play, I just didn't feel we needed to sign him. |
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Jan 17 2015, 06:19 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 17 2015, 02:54 PM) Did we really need another Menez/Cerci though? I never for one second reckoned Suso can't play, I just didn't feel we needed to sign him. He's free. Nothing else matters. You should know that by now. |
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Jan 17 2015, 07:37 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
That's not it.
He's an investment for the future. Now he'll be the backup option with talent. Maybe he'll turn into the next Grimi or Saponara, but anyway, why shouldn't we give him a fair chance? Don't get why the negativity is necessary, unless you guys are preparing for another round of "I told you so". |
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Jan 17 2015, 07:59 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
"Investment for the future" is not exactly a term that's very popular around here, you know. He was free, and we took the opportunity. That's all there is to it. The kid should get a chance to prove his worth, no doubt. That's another matter entirely.
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Jan 17 2015, 08:10 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2015, 09:59 PM) "Investment for the future" is not exactly a term that's very popular around here, you know. He was free, and we took the opportunity. That's all there is to it. The kid should get a chance to prove his worth, no doubt. That's another matter entirely. So what's the point? We are cheap and sing free players? At least the paradigm changed and we didn't sing a 33 year old has been. I don't see how Suso isn't an investment for the future. |
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Jan 17 2015, 08:28 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 17 2015, 08:10 PM) So what's the point? We are cheap and sing free players? At least the paradigm changed and we didn't sing a 33 year old has been. I don't see how Suso isn't an investment for the future. Yes, because one signing is enough to "change the paradigm". Don't get me wrong, it is an investment for the future if taken per se, but such investments are made by following a specific plan, which we do not have. We saw his was free, made an offer and took him. Just like we did with Essien, Torres, Lopez, Alex, not exactly "promising youngsters". If you wanna talk about investments, then consider Saponara, who was taken with a clear goal in mind, yet we just loaned him out. Same story with the various Grimi, Cardacio, Viudez, Mattioni, Didac Vilà etc. All our "real" investments turn out crap because we sign players because they're cheap or free, not because we follow them to decide whether they're worth it and whether they suit our plans. It's plain as day. A few isolated examples like Kaká, Pato and El Shaarawy don't prove anything. |
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Jan 18 2015, 01:09 PM
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