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May 20 2012, 09:53 AM
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Prima Squadra
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 20 2012, 07:21 AM) Times are changing ... Honestly speaking, this new crop of players don't show any sign of belonging as did the old crop. Hence I have this gut feeling that Silva's move (if at all) would be easier than that of Sheva or Kaka's moves. And (something I do believe in) why would he stay? So fans can chastise him ala Seedorf and Gattuso in their final seasons for Milan? Especially after such successful careers.
I believe he will be more successful somewhere else, let alone appreciated more (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I find this bit very funny! Go somewhere else where he's more appreciated?? LOL Madrid or Barca? Some of the worst clubs when it comes to their fans. Messi scored his gagilliont goal for Barca this season, their fans barely blinked at it. Real? Where fans are famous for booing their players when they don't play "nice" football, even though they're winning? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Just ridiculous that you would say this because some have gotten tired of watching players who were once great and now can barely even be called players because they have physically deteriorated too much to play football in one of the top leagues. Oh and the top of the lot woud be City, where Silva would be just another number to them earning £400k per week. It's just ridiculous to try to make this point so that we feel bad over the entire Seedorf thing. Silva is a greatly appreciated player at Milan and the fans love him. Also, I'm sure the fans who made the farewell for Rino, Pippo and Nesta so great also had moments where they criticised one of them for mistakes, but that does not mean that in the end they were not given a proper send off or that they won't be missed
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May 20 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 20 2012, 09:55 AM) That's not a given and you know it. look at what happened to Zlatan. and besides, Barca's winning cycle may have well come to an end. Another great point. Last night's final was the biggest in your face to the Spanish teams, Bayern and UEFA. You canot predict where one will be succesful, who would have thought, after the last 16 games that Chelsea would in the end become Champions
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May 20 2012, 10:18 AM
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News says Milan close to sign Brazil U20 goalkeeper, Gabriel Vasconcellos Ferreira. Gabriel Vasconcellos Ferreira, known as Gabriel (born September 27, 1992 in Unaí), is a Brazilian goalkeeper formed in the Cruzeiro youth team, and was promoted to the professional team 2010. He currently plays for A.C. Milan and Brazil U-20. Wikipedia already stated that its Milan player.
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May 20 2012, 10:27 AM
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It seems odd to have a young goalkeeper as third choice. Usually they're loaned out so they get to play more matches.
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May 20 2012, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 20 2012, 12:55 PM) To be honest Zed, we have very little say in this .. Players turning down lucrative moves to (ala Gattuso to United) to stay at Milan (this was in 06 or 07). And it is not like Gattuso just popped in and said play me now or I will eat you .. The coaches selected him, for whatever reason ... His form was not good? ok, but that does not erase the history. Or warrant excess rants and slurs against a LEGEND! Then turn a blind eye on Pippo Inzaghi ... Why should Silva stay? For the same treatment? Why not go seek other fortunes. At least he will win more, earn more, if not Barca then Madrid .. If not Madrid then City. Milanfan.com is the perfect place for these players to come and see how legends are treated and remembered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif) Let me just quote this bit from han's post: Also, I'm sure the fans who made the farewell for Rino, Pippo and Nesta so great also had moments where they criticised one of them for mistakes, but that does not mean that in the end they were not given a proper send off or that they won't be missedWhy should Silva stay? because he's still too young to be treated like an ex-player and well, he wants to stay. I don't know why we're having this argument. Inzaghi and Gattuso got the farewell they deserve as legends. both at the stadium and over the internet! I don't know what bad treatment/remembrance you're talking about.
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May 20 2012, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 20 2012, 09:25 AM) To be honest Zed, we have very little say in this .. Players turning down lucrative moves to (ala Gattuso to United) to stay at Milan (this was in 06 or 07). And it is not like Gattuso just popped in and said play me now or I will eat you .. The coaches selected him, for whatever reason ... His form was not good? ok, but that does not erase the history. Or warrant excess rants and slurs against a LEGEND! Then turn a blind eye on Pippo Inzaghi ... Why should Silva stay? For the same treatment? Why not go seek other fortunes. At least he will win more, earn more, if not Barca then Madrid .. If not Madrid then City. Milanfan.com is the perfect place for these players to come and see how legends are treated and remembered (IMG: style_emoticons/default/96.gif) Funny how you chose to ignore my posts... And you can't be sure that he'll win more with City or any other team for that matter. It's just ridiculous to say something like that. Players like Kaka and Sheva who left for better pastures learnt that the hard way
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May 20 2012, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 20 2012, 10:11 AM) han .. Not ignoring your post .. The matter is subjective, and you can skew it to your liking.
My honest opinion is that I don't want Silva to be chastised 5 years down the line, because he is not fast enough or an injury of sorts .. Then people (as they always do on MF) call for their retirement.
I'd rather he goes and wins somewhere else and then get chastised, instead of devoting his remaining career for a fan base that will not forgive him once he slips. Kinda like a 'your damned if you do and damned if you don't'.
Heck some even wanted Maldini to retire 3 years before he eventually did ... Right here on MF ... Forget about two decades of service for this shirt, short-term success is what this forum is turning into. That's very noble but still does not make sense on any level from a fan of the club and not just the players. Everyone wants what's best for the team, and whether you like it or not, keeping players who barely even qualify as such, who earn around 3 to 4m per year is just no good for a club who is financially barely scraping through. I'd have loved it if Rino stayed on as part of the back room staff but he wants to play on. Sadly, he's just no where near the physical level which is demanded of someone when playing in a top league. He wants to keep on playing? Fair enough it's his choice when to hang up his boots, but he cannot do so at Milan anymore, not in the capacity he wanted to. And it would be selfish on their parts to expect the Club to not only give them a lucrative deal but to assure them a central role in the team. And I think you're generalising things way too much. People here don't criticise just because we look at their age on paper and say he's old and therefore not good enough anymore. I personally would have wanted the Club to convince Nesta and VB to stay at all cost, simply because they're still great and would have still been able to give a lot to the team. I don't care if they're 35 or 25, what matters to me is if they're still capable of giving a contribution to this team.
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May 20 2012, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 20 2012, 01:19 PM) That's very noble but still does not make sense on any level from a fan of the club and not just the players.
Everyone wants what's best for the team, and whether you like it or not, keeping players who barely even qualify as such, who earn around 3 to 4m per year is just no good for a club who is financially barely scraping through. I'd have loved it if Rino stayed on as part of the back room staff but he wants to play on. Sadly, he's just no where near the physical level which is demanded of someone when playing in a top league. He wants to keep on playing? Fair enough it's his choice when to hang up his boots, but he cannot do so at Milan anymore, not in the capacity he wanted to. And it would be selfish on their parts to expect the Club to not only give them a lucrative deal but to assure them a central role in the team.
And I think you're generalising things way too much. People here don't criticise just because we look at their age on paper and say he's old and therefore not good enough anymore. I personally would have wanted the Club to convince Nesta and VB to stay at all cost, simply because they're still great and would have still been able to give a lot to the team. I don't care if they're 35 or 25, what matters to me is if they're still capable of giving a contribution to this team. I think you will find more correlation with what I am saying once you convince yourself that Gattuso and Seedorf don't sneak onto the pitch and stay there to guarantee a first team spot. They actually go train with 30+ players of the squad and are chosen by the coach to start, or coaches if you will. I do understand that there is a peak and decline to every player's career and that all those that have left us (or leaving) are on a decline. However, when the club renews their agreements and lets them stay for another 2 years, does that mean Seedorf or Gattuso is at fault? Hence we have to go and chastise them for staying? That is what I am talking about.
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