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post Jun 8 2009, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 8 2009, 04:19 AM) *
You have no idea what's going on at all.


From acmilan.com

Obviously people will believe this, not you.


exactly, +1.


Its clearly written all over. Galliani has been honest with his statements while berlu bulls*** thinking the fans will buy it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

@ nova;
Oh ofcourse it was kaka's decision to leave (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Right after Paolo retires and he is arguably the next in line for his throne.

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post Jun 8 2009, 11:31 AM
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Some people don't even deserve to be Milan fans. talking about a player who's been key player in all the success we had in the past 6 seasons like this when everything indicates it's the club that wants to sell him...

It was so disgusting.
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post Jun 8 2009, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 8 2009, 12:31 PM) *
Some people don't even deserve to be Milan fans. talking about a player who's been key player in all the success we had in the past 6 seasons like this when everything indicates it's the club that wants to sell him...

It was so disgusting.


Now I dont deserve to be a milan fan , good one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well you go ahead and talk about whatever you like , i still say Kaka wants to leave himself . And whether you tacticians like it or not , his departure is up to him . Now you can go ahead and trash people like galliani or berlusconi , but my respect towards them is far greater then just Kaka.



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post Jun 8 2009, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 8 2009, 12:26 PM) *
@ nova;
Oh ofcourse it was kaka's decision to leave (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Right after Paolo retires and he is arguably the next in line for his throne.


so ? Ambro would be captain anyway.

Do you really think that if kaka really wants to stay that Berlusconi will sell him ? Offcourse not .
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post Jun 8 2009, 11:51 AM
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http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun8b.html

Berlusconi does all he can to push Kaka to Madrid....(((
What fot he says this way now? Ke might say that Kaka is our key-player, but instead of it....(((
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post Jun 8 2009, 11:52 AM
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@ Nova

If you think that way it's alright as it's your own opinion and not necessarily the fact, but I think the guy has done more than that for the club to be greeted with comments like "the hell with him" and "greedy" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out".

Not comparing Kaka with Maldini, but this is no different than what those tisofi did to Maldini on his goodbye game. you're of the same mould as those two-faced fans.

I'm done with this argument.

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post Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 8 2009, 12:52 PM) *
@ Nova

If you think that way it's alright as it's your own opinion and not necessarily the fact, but I think the guy's has done more than that for the club to be greeted with comments like "the hell with him" and "greedy" and "don't let the door hit you on the way out".

Not comparing Kaka with Maldini, but this is no different than what those tisofi did to Maldini on his goodbye game. you're of the same mould as those two-faced fans.

I'm done with this argument.


Well Berlusconi and galliani did more for this club then Kaka , far more actually. Yet you hold no respects towards them and constantly bash them like they never did anything for this club , while in the end , they were the ones that signed Kaka in the first place .

Judging me ? dude ... just who do you think you are ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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I said I'm done. it will be a pointless argument, let's not waste our time.
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post Jun 8 2009, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 8 2009, 12:01 PM) *
I said I'm done. it will be a pointless argument, let's not waste our time.




Where's the fishdoll??? i wanna hear know her thoughts on this whole Kaka saga...
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post Jun 8 2009, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 8 2009, 01:01 PM) *
I said I'm done. it will be a pointless argument, let's not waste our time.



I just made the biggest point and now you walk out ?


Without berlusconi , you and I wouldnt even be talking about this very club at this very moment.


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post Jun 8 2009, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (Nova @ Jun 8 2009, 04:50 AM) *
so ? Ambro would be captain anyway.

Do you really think that if kaka really wants to stay that Berlusconi will sell him ? Offcourse not .

Ambrosini would be labeled captain, and gattuso vice. But out of Kaka, Gattuso, Ambrosini; who plays all games if they are fit?

Exactly... Kaka.... so there is a chance that he would be captain for majority of the games while I could see ambro and rinho benched for flamini/ronaldinho and other players, while you know Kaka would never see the bench.




Berlu obviously wants to sell him. Galliani has come out and said they had no choice but to sell him. Our club is iin huge debt, we have spent crazy over the past year and something needs to be done in order for our club to keep functioning. Berlu doensn't want to spend anymore than he has to, so someone has to be sold and that someone is Kaka. Berlu just says that its kaka's choice in order for him to save some face from the very pissed off fans but in reality its not his at all. Berlu had wanted to sell him to city in January but Kaka said no and he'll wait for the summer so madrid could bid for him. Berlu bought Ronaldinho with the intention of selling Kaka all along. The only thing that went wrong in his plan is that Ronaldinho did not succeed so its much harder now for him to save face with the club supporters. Had Ronaldinho succeeded nobody would have problems with him selling kaka. You can't beso naive as to think that its the kaka's choice to leave when all sources clearly prove its not.


Kaka is the symbol of our club and has always said he didn't want to leave and has rejected Madrid many times before. If he didn't care about Milan He would have left earlier for the money or bigger fame Madrid offered when he was at the height of his game. Now that he is on his decline and his value is still high, it provides the perfect chance for berlu to cash in on him before its too late. If Kaka really cared for the club right now he would leave as his sale benefits us in so many ways. If we can wipe our club debt with the sale of one player, who wouldn't do that. I dont blame berlu for it what hes doing, I just blame him for lying and making it seem like hes the hero in this situation.


Remember when we were linked with Ronaldinho. We were originally going to offer them 60 million euros + for Ronaldinho. Had Barca sold him then, they would have made huge profits but they gambled on the player and lost. We waited a year and guess what, we got him for 20 million. Now regarding Kaka we dont' want to gamble on his value like barca had with Dinho, that is why he is being sold now and not at 29/30 years old.

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post Jun 8 2009, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Nova @ Jun 8 2009, 05:14 AM) *
Without berlusconi , you and I wouldnt even be talking about this very club at this very moment.

Berlu is a great man but anyone with a big chequebook could have done the same. Arabs are gonna do the same to city. Abramo has done the same to chelsea.
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post Jun 8 2009, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE (Nova @ Jun 8 2009, 10:32 AM) *
Milan is bigger then Kaka , so if he wants to leave , the hell with him .

I really dont believe Milan have to sell him to straighten out the finances , I would rather think he wants to leave himself.

A very good player for Milan , but like sheva , his greedy departure will take his future legend status away. Not to mention his captaincy.

So off you go Kaka , dont let the door hit you on the way out and Forza Milan !!!

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I'm just left stunned at what I read here.

I mean it cannot be anymore obvious that the club want to sell Kaka for the money. Kaka has said over and over again that he wants to stay. If he really wanted to leave he's had countles opportunities to do what Sheva did but he's always said that he want's to stay, even during the calciopoli trails and UEFA Cup football he's always said he's wanted to stay.

Galliani himself has made it pretty clear that it's the club's choice and not Kaka. Even going as far as to say that Kaka has never himself asked for raises or better conditions.

You can say what you want and you can think want you want about Berlusconi, but everyone knows what he is, he's a classic politician, he lies, he's steeped in controversy, etc. Silvio is coming out and saying that it will be Kaka's final decision, of course he says that, he's got elections coming up, and when Kaka does leave he wants to have his hands clean of all this. He's already prepared the fans that it was not his fault, he's already made Kaka to be the bad guy in all of this. It's just disgusting how he's spinning this whole thing, and if I were Kaka I would have already told him to p!ss of, flipped him the bird and signed with Real.

As if the whole Man City charade was not enough. Kaka was used in that whole thing as well. Again, if I was Kaka, after all that I've done and all the loyality I've showed for this club I would be more then hurt with how they've treated me. First he was used as somesort of political tool in January and to make it clear that he's for sale, then he's being offered to the first club willing to pay in order to pay off the depth that they brought on themselves by not investing in the club in the first place.

I just find your comments utterly disgusting, offensive and hurtful. Our management are not all they're cracked up to be, let's not kid oursleves, first and foremost our dear president, who's not the most honest of men out there. has always seen Milan as a platform for himself more then anything else.

QUOTE (Nova @ Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM) *
Well Berlusconi and galliani did more for this club then Kaka , far more actually. Yet you hold no respects towards them and constantly bash them like they never did anything for this club , while in the end , they were the ones that signed Kaka in the first place .

Judging me ? dude ... just who do you think you are ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Galliani has nothing to do with this, he's the puppit that has his strings pulled. He's the one that has to show his face when things are going badly, but when it's time to celebrate and there's a photo op you'll see Silvio nudging his way though to be front and center.

Again, you can tell me all you want about what Silvio has done for Milan, but don't kid yourself, all that he's done for Milan was firstly thought out about how it would effect him first and not the club. All the money he invested in Milan to begin with was invested to boost his image first and foremost, not for the well being of the club.
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post Jun 8 2009, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 8 2009, 02:05 PM) *
Ambrosini would be labeled captain, and gattuso vice. But out of Kaka, Gattuso, Ambrosini; who plays all games if they are fit?

Exactly... Kaka.... so there is a chance that he would be captain for majority of the games while I could see ambro and rinho benched for flamini/ronaldinho and other players, while you know Kaka would never see the bench.




Berlu obviously wants to sell him. Galliani has come out and said they had no choice but to sell him. Our club is iin huge debt, we have spent crazy over the past year and something needs to be done in order for our club to keep functioning. Berlu doensn't want to spend anymore than he has to, so someone has to be sold and that someone is Kaka. Berlu just says that its kaka's choice in order for him to save some face from the very pissed off fans but in reality its not his at all. Berlu had wanted to sell him to city in January but Kaka said no and he'll wait for the summer so madrid could bid for him. Berlu bought Ronaldinho with the intention of selling Kaka all along. The only thing that went wrong in his plan is that Ronaldinho did not succeed so its much harder now for him to save face with the club supporters. Had Ronaldinho succeeded nobody would have problems with him selling kaka. You can't beso naive as to think that its the kaka's choice to leave when all sources clearly prove its not.


Kaka is the symbol of our club and has always said he didn't want to leave and has rejected Madrid many times before. If he didn't care about Milan He would have left earlier for the money or bigger fame Madrid offered when he was at the height of his game. Now that he is on his decline and his value is still high, it provides the perfect chance for berlu to cash in on him before its too late. If Kaka really cared for the club right now he would leave as his sale benefits us in so many ways. If we can wipe our club debt with the sale of one player, who wouldn't do that. I dont blame berlu for it what hes doing, I just blame him for lying and making it seem like hes the hero in this situation.


Remember when we were linked with Ronaldinho. We were originally going to offer them 60 million euros + for Ronaldinho. Had Barca sold him then, they would have made huge profits but they gambled on the player and lost. We waited a year and guess what, we got him for 20 million. Now regarding Kaka we dont' want to gamble on his value like barca had with Dinho, that is why he is being sold now and not at 29/30 years old.



nice post , even tough i dont agree with it.

Kaka first of all isnt the symbol of milan , imo . Maldini always was. And since kaka is leaving , he wont be either.It isnt about who is the better player , its about who wears the rossoneri colours in his heart and is a leader.

Offcourse Milan is thinking about selling him , but if Kaka really wanted to stay , he wouldnt be going nowhere. In the end , its his decission. Otherwise there wouldnt be a talk this evening and milan would have sold him to manchester city for much more money.

Milan has and will always be bigger then the players
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 8 2009, 01:05 PM) *
Remember when we were linked with Ronaldinho. We were originally going to offer them 60 million euros + for Ronaldinho. Had Barca sold him then, they would have made huge profits but they gambled on the player and lost. We waited a year and guess what, we got him for 20 million. Now regarding Kaka we dont' want to gamble on his value like barca had with Dinho, that is why he is being sold now and not at 29/30 years old.

You're comparing apples with oranges here.

Kaka and Dinho are 2 different situations all together. Dinho is a player that chose to waste all that he had, he could have stayed great at Barca, but chose to p!ss all of that away, and we were the club stupid enough to buy into it.

Kaka, is not as great as he was just a couple of months ago because of injuries. He's still a hard working player, that is a great asset to have for any team. He's the kind of player anyone would want on their team, and not just for his abilities on the pitch...
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