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post May 5 2017, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 5 2017, 07:06 PM) *
Couldn't disagree more, Danny. Saying Monaco's players are on the same level as Juve's is a baffling thing to say, but then again Juve proved otherwise two nights ago so there's not much to discuss. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Now you know how I feel when you and Han talk absolute shite about Allegri (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post May 6 2017, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2017, 11:17 AM) *
Juve have mostly inferior players to Monaco and Barca yet have dominated both teams. It's not just down to the players. There's a unity, a 'die for each other' mentality in there - they've grown from the Conte underachievers into Europe's dominant team.

I mean let's not forget, it's not a massively different squad to what Conte had, and he is an exceptional manager. But couldn't take them past the last 16 in Europe. Or was it the quarters.

Really? You say this and then don't want to get into discussions about Allegri. I mean honestly Danny, you're being way too transparent here

Barca have been p!ss poor this season and they're no where near their best, and no where near the efficient machine they were when they wiped Juve's sorry @sses in the final a couple years ago.

Their trashing against PSG showed this and them miraculously getting through thanks to a couple of soft pens and a Neymar free-kick really says it all about how Barca have fallen this year.

We'll see what they do in the final, but you're kidding yourself if you're trying to paint Allegri to be some genius mastermind behind the underdog's success. Juve have one of the best teams in Europe, their defence is better than either Real's or Barca's probably better than Bayern's as well considering how difficult Carlo has founf it to consistently field the same 4 at the back this season. Their midfield is also still great despite losing Pogba and Pirlo, and they have the 90m guy in Higuain. If you think that's underdog status then I don't know what else to say

Monaco have always been the dark horse here. They have a splendidly talented young side, but their inexperience showed against a clever old side like Juve.

Allegri might have learned from some of his serious errors at Milan, but he's no coaching genius. He's working with the best team in the league (by a country mile) and one of the best teams in Europe, he is where he should be and anything less atm would be a failure
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post May 6 2017, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 5 2017, 10:20 AM) *
This is why Juve have been a huge success. It's not about individual quality as much any more, but about tactics and team effort. One thing I will say that they have over both Barca and Monaco is physical strength. They're big lads - only wee players I can think of at Juve are Dybala and maybe Pjanic. Rest are all mountains.

That's always been the case with Juve, it's what Conte built and Allegri has been smart enough to carry that on, unlike when he was with us and we were all about the individual talent.

Juve, from their first successful season under Conte (especially that one) have always been about the collective and not the individuals. That's why I've always said that Allegri lost that Scudetto to a group of players far more inferior to the ones he had but to an incredibly strong collective, which he was never able to build himself while with us, no matter all the talent he had at his disposal

Having said that, the Juve of today is still an incredibly strong collective thanks to all the work done by Conte, but they're also a strong collective of great individual talent, and that's why they're so great. The foundation built by Conte has stayed there, but they have also added players which imo or top class and some are the best in their respective positions. I think this is the area in which Allegri has had success at Juve, he incorporated the new players, who are all top class into the foundation that was already there very seamlessly

Like I ssaid last week, if Juve win this CL, I will give Allegri the credit he deserves, but that still does not erase what he did with us, which is nothing short of a massive failure, and when he was with us, he also showed us how ugly his teams could play if he doesn't have the resources
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post May 6 2017, 07:45 PM
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Coaches evolve with the exposure and experience. Allegri took Milan and learned Serie A and CL (He had access to training and game plan regiments of his predecessors at Milan). When he moved to Juve they had an excellent team and he morphed it into what it is today. I wouldn't discredit Allegri by stating he took where Conti left off, on the contrary I find his playing style different to that of Conti.

Ancelotti, the greatest tactician alive IMHO. He left Milan and won everything worthy of winning. But that all came with exposure and experience.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Coaches evolve with the exposure and experience. Allegri took Milan and learned Serie A and CL (He had access to training and game plan regiments of his predecessors at Milan). When he moved to Juve they had an excellent team and he morphed it into what it is today. I wouldn't discredit Allegri by stating he took where Conti left off, on the contrary I find his playing style different to that of Conti.

Ancelotti, the greatest tactician alive IMHO. He left Milan and won everything worthy of winning. But that all came with exposure and experience.

Like I said, I think his best success has come by being able to integrate the big name players with the foundation built by Conte. So I agree that to an extent he has done well at Juve, but I still believe that is all thanks to the work Conte did with that team.

Answer me this, do you think that had Allegri gone to Juve instead of Milan back in 2010 instead of Conte that he would be as successful with them as he is now? For me, that's a big fat no.

Without Conte, Juve would have never gotten to where they are now, at least not anytime soon

As for playing style, of course it's different, Conte's Juve was beautiful to watch but ruthless at the same time, I don't think they have that edge now that they did back under Conte.
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I hoped this place would have changed, still some weird obsession with Allegri.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 21 2017, 06:40 PM) *
I hoped this place would have changed, still some weird obsession with Allegri.



Haha. Well it's the fag end of a season, that although not too bad hasn't really set us up with a renaissance has it? So this was bound to happen. All the pet peeves coming out.
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post May 21 2017, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 21 2017, 12:10 PM) *
I hoped this place would have changed, still some weird obsession with Allegri.


Don't even MENTION Zapata (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 23 2017, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 21 2017, 10:46 PM) *
Don't even MENTION Zapata (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I prefer Zapata over Allegri...
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post May 23 2017, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 23 2017, 07:10 AM) *
I prefer Zapata over Allegri...


Don't even MENTION Muntari (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 24 2017, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2017, 03:18 PM) *
Don't even MENTION Muntari (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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But he was one of Allegri's faves, so that's a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) combo
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