[Zed.D]

When he took corners for Milan, zeddie, Gourcuff would place the ball outside the little corner area, clearly visible on telly.

Ah...

But it's not illegal, is it? many players do that from time to time. I wonder how that's worse than diving...

I totally fail to see how the former is worse personally. By doing that you only place the ball in a place more suitable to you and don't really earn anything from it while the ref and linesman have all the time in the world to spot it and make you place the ball inside the little area. By diving you cheat and can earn a lot while disrespecting your opponents and football itself... anyway...

+1

I don't know why everything weirdly changes when Yoann is involved! placing the ball a few centimeters outside the corner area becomes worse than diving...

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This post has been edited by Zed.D: Feb 7 2009, 12:35 AM

[Tennie]

It's illegal.

And, well, surely it can't be all bad because the sainted Gourcuff does it. whereas the evil inzaghi is the one who dives so clearly that's worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Zed.D]

And, well, surely it can't be all bad because the sainted Gourcuff does it. whereas the evil inzaghi is the one who dives so clearly that's worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Ah, there you go again... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[han2503]

Han, you're conveniently forgetting the many times you've jumped on others for trying to say positive things about ancelotti, about pippo, about...someone you don't like. And the many times that others have jumped on the pippo fans, the ancelotti fans, the zambrotta fans, etc. the only people one can safely be a fan of are pato, kaka, maldini and maybe nesta.

And again...you're showing contempt for my opinion and assuming yours is 100% correct. (I'm not saying mine is, but I'm tired of the fighting and the constant attacks for daring to step outside the milanfan box).

So it would seem that your reasoning is valid and mine is not. If that's what you think, fine with me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm done with the venom on this place.

Jumped on people for saying positive things about Zambro, Pippo and Carlo? I only speak negatively of certain people after it's deserved, bad game, bad tactics etc.

I don't think it's jumping on people when I disagree with someone regarding a player. I don't understand what you mean when you say, 'someone says positive things about player A and player B' Is it positive things in general or positive things after a performance. Becuase when it's in the general sense of it I usally agree with people who are pointing out the positives because I'm looking at the whole picture instead of an isolated game. But when it's after a performance and the player in question played badly yes I usually criticise them, and yes sometimes I come off harsh, but it's only because I'm p!ssed off about losing points, everyone does it.

If you think me by that, I responded to the direct "Pippo retire" post, and that I belive wasn't your's.


Tennie stated the same reasons Gourcuff didn't impress that I did. I still belive stealing millimeters from corner kicks is below Milan level (it's worse then the dives Pippo or Gila made IMO, just to avoid a paralel). His moves were not usefull, his touch was good but always a trick to much. Does "small" signs signalled me that he's mentally not ready to play with Milan and on Milan level (yes, even on the dreadfull/last season level). I never said he's bad or he's a mistake, and I think Tennie also didn't. I just responded to the sudden rise of Gourcuff's popularity and put a couple of question marks. That's all, and that's all Tennie made.

It was mine and someone else (don't remeber who said it) that agreed on the Pippo should retire thing.

I'm going to reply to your Gourcuff post by quoting dst

I totally fail to see how the former is worse personally. By doing that you only place the ball in a place more suitable to you and don't really earn anything from it while the ref and linesman have all the time in the world to spot it and make you place the ball inside the little area. By diving you cheat and can earn a lot while disrespecting your opponents and football itself... anyway...

Couldnt't have said it better myself...

You say you're not biased, yet it's ok for Pippo and Gila to dive but it's not ok for Yoann to place the ball a few centimeters out of the angle? Sorry but I don't understand the logic in this...

It's illegal.

And, well, surely it can't be all bad because the sainted Gourcuff does it. whereas the evil inzaghi is the one who dives so clearly that's worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And diving is ok? Imo it's a lot worse then placing the ball a few centimeters out of the angle. Placing the ball there doesn't help the player gain advantage by doing it, yet diving on the other hand is blatant cheating that not only gives the player a bad name but also the club he's playing for, let's not forget the fiascos that happened in Glasgow, both with Gila and Dida

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 7 2009, 09:25 AM

[Rivaldo]

He's 35 years old!! He should retire this summer both for his sake and ours.

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We need Pippo next year in CL! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

Couldnt't have said it better myself...

You say you're not biased, yet it's ok for Pippo and Gila to dive but it's not ok for Yoann to place the ball a few centimeters out of the angle? Sorry but I don't understand the logic in this...

You're doing it again han. You're quoting me on things I never said. Did I say it's ok to dive? Where?
I said "it's worse", and if "it's worse" is a comparative of the word okay, then I admit my english failed me.

I agree, stealing isn't as bad as making a dive. But what matters that it's very rare to see such things in professional football. Did Bojan do it? Messi? Pato? For me, it was a sign something's wrong. On the other hand, if Gourcuff would have dived I wouldn't make a big story out of it cause, well, every attacker dived once in his life. The same cannot be said for about 5 corner kicks.

[han2503]

You're doing it again han. You're quoting me on things I never said. Did I say it's ok to dive? Where?
I said "it's worse", and if "it's worse" is a comparative of the word okay, then I admit my english failed me.

I agree, stealing isn't as bad as making a dive. But what matters that it's very rare to see such things in professional football. Did Bojan do it? Messi? Pato? For me, it was a sign something's wrong. On the other hand, if Gourcuff would have dived I wouldn't make a big story out of it cause, well, every attacker dived once in his life. The same cannot be said for about 5 corner kicks.

To me saying it's worse that he did something like steel 5 centimeters off a corner then diving is like you're brushing off the fact that Pippo dives an everage of 20 times in every match and saying it's not a big deal, yet something like Gourcuff not taking the corner like he's supposed to is a big crime.

And I don't think that it reflects his mental strength, maybe he's more comfortable taking the corner from there rather then having it placed on the angle. A lot of players do it, I've seen it and personally don't think much of it, since there is no gain of doing it, at least I don't think so, you don't put in a better corner by moving the ball a bit forward. On the other hand diving is something that turns me off, no matter who I see doing it. I even criticise for Kaka for doing it occasionally, and other players who I know are better then that and don't need to do it.

[Zed.D]

stealing millimeters from corner kicks is below Milan level (it's worse then the dives Pippo or Gila made IMO

stealing isn't as bad as making a dive.

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[Fillipo Simone]

After reading posts I changed my mind and accepted that saying stealing is worse then making a dive doesn't make sense. I know you're confused zd, after all it's not that often that someone here accepts his mistake, or god for sake changes his opinion after reading other posts.

I have nothing to talk about Gourcuff any more. Han your post is correct and it could be, but your opinion is a biased as mine and Tennies and the rest.
I'll puke next time I see the word bias cause no one here understands it. We attack people for being biased, but respect or let rude insults, offensive words or swearing go just like that. That's what I call double-standards. And yes, with my tone and behaviour I accepted being part of it. But at least I can admit it and not act like I'm above all that.