[Zed.D]

Guti is Real's Ambrosini. Real's Gila is Robinho. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Guti is far more creative than Ambrosini and has a far better technique. Amro is only better physically. Robinho... he needs a little time. if consistent and at his best, he is unstoppable.

[bigmacmtl]

They don't have to compete for a starting place ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) All the teams in the world dream of having anyone of our players !! Chelsea wanted Kakha so bad (i.e. Mourinho)! And we are talking about a player whom is considered a sub at Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

that was 2 years ago when he played great with nesta, since then he's played as good as pascal cygan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[KillerMax]

Guti is far more creative than Ambrosini and has a far better technique. Amro is only better physically. Robinho... he needs a little time. if consistent and at his best, he is unstoppable.

Ambrosini is far better defensively and is far better in the air. Gilardino... he needs a little time. if consistent and at his best, he is unstoppable.

There is no end to this conversation. We do need new signings, but more like Saviola and Sneijder signings. Which Real madrid did and didn't get rid of Robinho or Guti either. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

@dst .. No ? yes i agree they don't, but do you understand why they don't ? Cuz they would be considered starters in any team in the world.

We have a great XI but we have no bench... our starters have no competition for their place, no matter how bad they play in one game, they are going to play in the next one too! That's bad for the team... everyone needs motivation, if one knows he can be benched, he's going to try harder! Imagine if Ancelotti replaced Nesta with Bonera, Pirlo with Emerson and Seedorf with Gourcuff for the Sampdoria game... even Nova would say "sack Carlo, sack Galliani!"...

Real have Michel Salgado (no comments), Baptista (he is even worse than Brocchi) and Robinho (if Gila is only scoring when we're a couple goals up, then that joke of a player has made a name for himself doing that! He's just funny...) in their team... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Every team have some sorry-@ss players that should not be there... United have O'Shea and Fletcher (they even had Phil Neville... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ), Barcelona have Valdes, Edmilson and Sylvinho, Liverpool have Arbeloa, Kuyt and Crouch, Chelsea with Sinclair, Belletti and Bridge... the difference is most of these players rarely get a chance for their respective teams while Brocchi and Kaladze are considered vital members for us!

This post has been edited by dst: Oct 30 2007, 08:45 AM

[Nova]

Imagine if Ancelotti replaced Nesta with Bonera, Pirlo with Emerson and Seedorf with Gourcuff for the Sampdoria game... even Nova would say "sack Carlo, sack Galliani!"...

No Nova wouldn't say that ! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Only if they replace Kaladze (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Every team have some sorry-@ss players that should not be there... United have O'Shea and Fletcher (they even had Phil Neville... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ), Barcelona have Valdes, Edmilson and Sylvinho, Liverpool have Arbeloa, Kuyt and Crouch, Chelsea with Sinclair, Belletti and Bridge... the difference is most of these players rarely get a chance for their respective teams while Brocchi and Kaladze are considered vital members for us!

So what's your point? We seem to do better with what we've got.

Actually I wouldn't say that about O Shea. Yes he's nothing compared to their first teamers. But in him SAF has got a loyal guy, who thinks nothing of sitting on the bench. Who can come out and put up a half-decent performance anywhere on the pitch, and can even keep if need be.

I think Benitez is just stupid about Crouch. He's I'd say a quite skilled player for all his seeming awkwardness.

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 30 2007, 07:25 AM

[Rossoneri7]

@dst ... Madrid nearly 'came' when they got Baptista and Robinho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.

If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.

If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..


The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..

[KillerMax]

@dst ... Madrid nearly 'came' when they got Baptista and Robinho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.

If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.

If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..
The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..

Well the oilin' is going great I must say...

[dst]

@dst ... Madrid nearly 'came' when they got Baptista and Robinho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.

If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.

If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..
The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..

What have I done to you?? Why do you punish me?? I got your bloody point did you read my reply to it??

For God's sake man... I believe you didn't even take the time to read it so I'm not going to say it all over again!!

[BrigateRossonere]

Frankly we are paying the price for our off season ennui. Our performance in Serie A should come as no surprise to anyone & lets face it if Carlo hadn't have won the UCL he would find himself on the unemployment queue by now.

[Nova]

Well the oilin' is going great I must say...

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[weeeow]

I cannot belive what we are talking about here,...

I mean,...crisis? Yes, we are in a crisis, in a crisis of results. Nothing more nothing less. Talking about the salary of our players and questioning their earnings is irrelevant. I don't give a damn how much they earn or how much they should earn.

We are playing very poor right now and have some motivation problems. But in 24 years we had some pretty tuff seasons, when we finished 10th or 11th. This is not one of them, simply because the Serie A is much weeker then in the 90-ties. We can finish at least 4th and secure another CL season.

This season clearly there will be no Italian trophies, and probably no CL success, but that's still an open topic. But we've won the Super cup, we also can win the CWC and finish a mediocre bad season. In more then 8 years one season had to be bad, and this is the one probably. But why make such a big thing about it? Milan, Berlusconi and Ancelotti spoiled us a bit. Cause we treat this situation as a real big crisis. We say all those big words after a Roma loss, but in the end, it really wasn't such a humiliation. It wasn't such an embarassment either. It's just a lost match...and a bad form. We've won the Cl last year. That joyful feeling covers me still up and it will last till the seasons end, no matter what happens.

We have won everything possible, except maybe the CWC. So we can afford a bad season if we do at least the minimum - CL qualification and CL 1/4 final. My recommendation is - lean back, put a Donnie Hathaway song on, lean back and watch the season relaxed without further any expectations and without any bad feelings. Every team must reach his lowpoint, and sure, this is one of them. There's nothing we can do. 

Transfers? Oh, they will buy us some nice players and some others will go, I'm pretty sure. 2 years without big names (except Ronaldo maybe)...that's a long time. But eventually they 'll come. Drogba, Kanoute, someone will show up, others will follow, soon we'll have new a pillar. Till then, we'll have time to shout at Gila, cry about Pippo and glare at Kaka's magic.

The only real sad thing about all that is that Paolo will end his career after such a bad season. But it really does not matter to him I suppose. And one other thing - the fact that Inter is pretty close to us now when it comes to Serie A titles. Damn it, I want us to have the second star before them,... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

thankoo! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

What have I done to you?? Why do you punish me?? I got your bloody point did you read my reply to it??

For God's sake man... I believe you didn't even take the time to read it so I'm not going to say it all over again!!

No i read ur post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And i got ur point .. i.e. rotation is the best motivation. But that is a different case to ours. Look all around Europe and if you can find one team that has as much cohesion and understand as our team, u can hold it against me. With that said, even with the understanding in the team .. our players are of the highest quality .. No team in the world has a Pirlo, nor a Kaka', nor a Maldini, nor a Nesta, nor a Pippo, nor a Gattuso .. I mean they might have something of a lesser quality, but they don't have the real deal. This is what i am saying.

Yes we don't have a bench as good as Chelsea or Barca, but we have hard workers on our bench who give 100% when they are on (not counting the Gourcuff and Pato in Jan). Problem is, dst, people are judging too early. In a month or so, I doubt this will be the case (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This team has done it before, when the same critics were out to laminate on issues like the team is old and lack of motivation ( the usual BS ).

[kurtsimonw]

nor a Pippo, nor a Gattuso .. I mean they might have something of a lesser quality, but they don't have the real deal. This is what i am saying.

No offense to him, I love the guy. But there's a tonne of strikers better than Pippo. You can't honestly say he IS one of the best in the World?

[Rossoneri7]

No offense to him, I love the guy. But there's a tonne of strikers better than Pippo. You can't honestly say he IS one of the best in the World?

Who doesn't love Pippo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As a box striker ? They didn't call him Super Pippo Inzaghi for nothing .. And I don't know for how long you have watched Pippo play, but there are several Gkeepers who get weak knees (till this day) when they see him in that 18-yard box.

Pippo is the striker that never chokes in a BIG match. He is the decisive man .. He is a point of reference when you talk about top caliber strikers ... U know what, i am not even complementing him enough with all this, people say he is lucky and all that cr@p ... But go talk to Del Piero, he'll tell you what I mean (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

p.s. he made the scousers cry .. Not even Drogba could do that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Oct 30 2007, 10:53 PM