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post Jun 14 2012, 07:18 AM
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I don't think he does really. Everyone has bad games but has Ronaldo ever not scored in a tournament? Over a 50 game season a game in which he can't finish doesn't matter when he follows it up with a hat-trick. At the Euros where there aren't any bad teams and you only play 3/4 games it's going to stand out more of course.

RvP, Robben, Ribery, etc have all had awful tournaments so far - it happens. Just like players like Bendtner, Gomez, Lescott are doing well despite not really being great players at all.
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post Jun 14 2012, 08:50 AM
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I understand what you're saying, but you have to agree not living up to his potential in the Euros could hurt his chances of winning Ballon d'Or. there's pressure on him to perform in these important games and so far he hasn't.
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post Jun 14 2012, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (rip @ Jun 14 2012, 08:55 AM) *
How does Arsene or Holland coach not see this? Van Persie is much better in an SS role than a pure striker..

+1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) At least the Holland coach will find this out at his own expense it seems. Unless they qualify.
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post Jun 14 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2012, 08:18 AM) *
RvP, Robben, Ribery, etc have all had awful tournaments so far - it happens. Just like players like Bendtner, Gomez, Lescott are doing well despite not really being great players at all.

What I can't understand is that you put two average or mediocre players in the same box with Gomez? You're really biased against German players; otherwise you'd already looked at his ratio and stats (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:12 PM
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So Italy Croatia today...

Nervous about this one, especially if Prandelli goes with the same line up as he did against Spain. Spain were toothless while something tells me that Croatia will be roothless if the Azzurri put in the same defensive display.

At least if he wants to insist on a 3 man defense, play a proper left wing back, not Giaccherini

Also, Thiago Motta has to come out for Nocerino, he's just too blah to make any impact
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:37 PM
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Croatia has won the last 4 or 5 matches against Italy, so there is a bit of hope. Otherwise, I'd say Italy is the clear favorite.
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 14 2012, 11:37 AM) *
Croatia has won the last 4 or 5 matches against Italy, so there is a bit of hope. Otherwise, I'd say Italy is the clear favorite.

What?

No way are they the clear favourites. I think Croatia atm are a far more cohesive unit then Italy.

I think Italy have the better overall quality on paper, but I think I've learnt my lesson about judging things based on paper.
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 14 2012, 12:37 PM) *
Croatia has won the last 4 or 5 matches against Italy, so there is a bit of hope. Otherwise, I'd say Italy is the clear favorite.


Come on Croatia!
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:36 PM
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So Greece can still go through... I'm sure Santos is already making up a plan! Maybe we can boot the ball from all around the field more... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

we're going down! I just hope we play decently no matter the result... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 14 2012, 08:50 AM) *
I understand what you're saying, but you have to agree not living up to his potential in the Euros could hurt his chances of winning Ballon d'Or. there's pressure on him to perform in these important games and so far he hasn't.

Messi's not showed up in any International competition and it doesn't seem to hurt his chances.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 14 2012, 10:49 AM) *
What I can't understand is that you put two average or mediocre players in the same box with Gomez? You're really biased against German players; otherwise you'd already looked at his ratio and stats (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

He plays in a team he completely dominates. I don't exactly think Lewandowski is World class, but he's the front man in a team which dominates and scores lots as a result.
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 14 2012, 02:49 PM) *
What I can't understand is that you put two average or mediocre players in the same box with Gomez? You're really biased against German players; otherwise you'd already looked at his ratio and stats

Ha, for a second I seriously thought it was some other Gomez. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Not the Mario one, he's been an absolute beast these past few years and that's practically hard to deny for anyone. I mean, forget the ratio and stats, even if we see that he is the main striker of the German national team, who starts every match, come on!

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2012, 04:12 PM) *
Nervous about this one, especially if Prandelli goes with the same line up as he did against Spain. Spain were toothless while something tells me that Croatia will be roothless if the Azzurri put in the same defensive display.

Haha, toothless and ruthless, nice one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Wait a minute. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2012, 05:52 PM) *
Messi's not showed up in any International competition and it doesn't seem to hurt his chances.

True that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The Sneijder snub still gives me shivers. He was the absolute beast of a player that season.
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 14 2012, 03:32 PM) *
Haha, toothless and ruthless, nice one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Wait a minute. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I was going for the alliteration there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:53 PM
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Prandelli to play the same XI that started the Spain game seems to be the general opinion.
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2012, 07:49 PM) *
I was going for the alliteration there

Yup, that's why I couldn't say it was a typo, mistake or grammatical error. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/graduated.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2012, 02:52 PM) *
He plays in a team he completely dominates. I don't exactly think Lewandowski is World class, but he's the front man in a team which dominates and scores lots as a result.

Lewandowski at BVB/Poland = Gomez at Stuttgart. So your theory is incorrect.
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