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Feb 17 2015, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2015, 05:52 PM) Suso and Menez behind Destro with De Jong, Bona and Poli in midfield would be ideal. Even so, we have no game, so these things come into second consideration. I'd prefer a midfield 3 of De Jong, Bona and Suso behind Destro flanked by Menez and Cerci. Don't think Poli has enough to be considered part of our best potential team, but then, I am assuming Suso has!
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Feb 19 2015, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 17 2015, 11:18 PM) Yes, hence I'd have him behind Destro in that DM/CM/AM combo I like. Meaning what me and x-off call a creative CM?
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Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 10:35 AM) A player that barely plays and is given the chance in a couple of games will tend to act a bit individualistic in order to impress the coach. Van Ginkel didn't v Empoli? He was excellent till his 30th minute injury. Played for the team, looked composed. Armero didn't v Lazio in January. He was rubbish but he wasn't selfish. QUOTE Even so, I never got that feeling from Suso. Unlike Menez, it was fairly obvious he was playing for the team and not for himself. Wasn't obvious to me. Versus Udinese, where he started, the only three players to manage less passes in the match for us (24) than him were Lopez (23), Paletta (14) and Pazzo (11). Of all the mids and creative players, Suso ranked bottom in terms of team play. Even Menez managed more, 48. His success rate of those passes was also the lowest in the whole team - 62.5%. He improved against Inter, with the highest number of passes of all the attackers (36 - not by a lot, Pazzo was 33), and the highest % in attack, but v Sassuolo, before his red card, he managed the lowest overall again (20), and even if it had doubled for the second half, he would have remained among the lowest passing players. This is my issue - I see talent here, potential - but in three appearances he was too just selfish with the ball, not looking up, and wanting the glory for himself. It goes one of two ways. Either he goes the way of Menez, playing for himself, ball hogging, wanting to be the match winner, or, at his young age he gets the time to mature his game, pass more, look up and work harder off the ball. Even Niang has learned to play as a team player, so Suso certainly has time, and we see what happens when that isn't knocked out of a player at an early age (Menez). It's in his hands, and hopefully Sini can get that side out of his game and turn him into a serious talent. If, he sees him as part of his plans, that is.
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Jul 5 2015, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM) Van Ginkel didn't v Empoli? He was excellent till his 30th minute injury. Played for the team, looked composed.
Armero didn't v Lazio in January. He was rubbish but he wasn't selfish. You can't really compare a LB and a CM to an attacker in that regard. And besides, the game against Empoli was early in the season. Suso was signed in January but was not given a proper chance until mid-April when we played Inter, where he was arguably one of the better players in that horrendous match. Then a bad game where everyone was crap and bam, relegated on the bench for the rest of the season. QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM) Wasn't obvious to me. Versus Udinese, where he started, the only three players to manage less passes in the match for us (24) than him were Lopez (23), Paletta (14) and Pazzo (11). Of all the mids and creative players, Suso ranked bottom in terms of team play. Even Menez managed more, 48. His success rate of those passes was also the lowest in the whole team - 62.5%.
He improved against Inter, with the highest number of passes of all the attackers (36 - not by a lot, Pazzo was 33), and the highest % in attack, but v Sassuolo, before his red card, he managed the lowest overall again (20), and even if it had doubled for the second half, he would have remained among the lowest passing players.
This is my issue - I see talent here, potential - but in three appearances he was too just selfish with the ball, not looking up, and wanting the glory for himself.
It goes one of two ways. Either he goes the way of Menez, playing for himself, ball hogging, wanting to be the match winner, or, at his young age he gets the time to mature his game, pass more, look up and work harder off the ball.
Even Niang has learned to play as a team player, so Suso certainly has time, and we see what happens when that isn't knocked out of a player at an early age (Menez).
It's in his hands, and hopefully Sini can get that side out of his game and turn him into a serious talent. If, he sees him as part of his plans, that is. Give him time, dear. Judging him on those few scraps of games he's played is way too immature. And speaking of the devil, according to Corriere, Suso has been the real surprise in these first two days of training. He's really impressed Mihajlovic, who wants him to stay at this point. Link (IMG: style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)
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Jul 6 2015, 12:48 PM
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Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you.
I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common
Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches
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Jul 6 2015, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 6 2015, 11:48 AM) Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you. Name a single example! For me, and this is key; you're only as good as your last match. I judge in real time. If someone has 3 bad matches and one good one I say they had three bad matches and one good one. And I do rate Suso as a player, but he's immature like Niang was and plays like he did. Menez is what happens when that isn't coached out of a player. QUOTE I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common
Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches Even SES excelled in our last few matches. Even Pippo looked like a manager.
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Jul 6 2015, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 6 2015, 01:55 PM) Name a single example! For me, and this is key; you're only as good as your last match. I judge in real time. If someone has 3 bad matches and one good one I say they had three bad matches and one good one.
And I do rate Suso as a player, but he's immature like Niang was and plays like he did. Menez is what happens when that isn't coached out of a player. You mean just players from this season? Armero, Bocchetti (not saying you're wrong there, but as soon as he had a bad game you turned on him completely), DS is suddenly sh!t to you after a couple of bad matches and months out injured, same with SES, Destro, Cerci, Suso, who you were all about and then suddenly, nah he's not good enough, etc. My point is, that you can be right about certain players. But I prefer to give them a longer chance then suddenly decalring them a joke or bad after one bad or really terrible performance. It's not like I don't agree with you about certain players from that list, but the quickness of your decision about them is a bit unfair. Have we really seen enough of Suso to make any sort of logical assessment? No imo, far from it. Are Bocchetti, Armero and Cerci terrible? Yes, I didn't want any of them in the first place. But I still gave them a chance, I gave Cerci even more than that before I completely threw in the towel and this coming from someone who was adamant about how average he is and his season at Torino was nothing but a fluke for a player who's pretty much failed in any decent side he's played for. For me, I judge a player on a wider span of games than just 2 or 3, especially if they're new to the side. QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 6 2015, 01:55 PM) Even SES excelled in our last few matches. Even Pippo looked like a manager. Van Ginkel had been consistently good for the last 2 months though, he took a bit of time to get into a rhythm once Pippo started playing him regularly after February, but the last 2 months or so were very good from him. We only looked decent in the last 2 or 3 games, which is not what I meant for Van Ginkel
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Jul 8 2015, 09:16 PM
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I think if we're looking for someone to play the "Di Maria" role, Suso is the only guy that can be realistically considered. This SES nonsense for that position is just laughable and makes you think, do these people ever watch these players play?
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Jul 8 2015, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 8 2015, 09:25 PM) There's no such thing as the 'Di Maria' role. There's only a player called Di Maria who plays the way he does. That's what they're saying they'll be trying SES at though, which is just baffling. At least Suso comes closer to what is needed to play in that position in the way that Di Maria does. I think playing an attacking mid/winger there can be a "thing". But Carlo is the master of doing that, just like he's the one who created a position for Pirlo to occupy. But this is something that can only happen in very specific situations. I'm not advocating that we try it. I've actually been on my knees begging for a proper creative CM for a while now, I don't want to see SES or Suso or anyone else trying to fill that role. But if it really came down to it, Suso is the only one in our squad who can be tried out there, and maybe Honda
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Aug 8 2016, 05:49 PM
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Bumped. Back from loan and will most likely be staying as Montella has been impressed. Hopefully he'll be a dependable option for next season.
I'll be bumping up the players' thread and updating it with the current roster.
Abbiati, Menez, Nocerino, Agazzi, Alex, Mexes and Balotelli all moved to the past players section
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