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post Jun 27 2014, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 26 2014, 10:05 PM) *
Punched Stefano Mauri in a game against Lazio.

Almost injured Chiellini this season and got red.

Stupid dive against Paraguay in 2010 WC.

And that's just a few moments I clearly remember. Sure, Totti is even worse. Don't get me wrong, I like De Rossi, he's a fighter. But he can be dirty.


Honestly, I don't remember the first one, but the rest seem quite trivial to me. And the fact that you can't think of any more probably means there actually aren't. I don't think of De Rossi as a dirty player. Rough, sure, like Gattuso and Ambro, but not dirty.
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post Jun 27 2014, 01:58 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 26 2014, 09:55 PM) *
Honestly, I don't remember the first one, but the rest seem quite trivial to me. And the fact that you can't think of any more probably means there actually aren't. I don't think of De Rossi as a dirty player. Rough, sure, like Gattuso and Ambro, but not dirty.

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post Jun 27 2014, 02:13 PM
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This says that since we are unlikely to get offers for Balo, we will "sacrifice" DS and Pazzo.

Also:
- We are still after either Mandzukic or Dzeko
- Kaką and Robinho are on their way out, so we will save on their salary [hmm - I have seen no news about Robinho, if true this is good news]
- We are still after Iturbe, and he has chosen Milan, apparently Inzaghi is the one that convinced him
- It is quite possible that Pazzini and Matri will be gone. Of the two, Pazzo is likely to get us more money (8-10M) and may be heading to Napoli.
- If we sell Pazzo, counting on Balo + Matri would be risky, which is why we may try to get Dzeco for 20M
- To pay for Dzeco we will probably need to sell DS, and apparently we are still talking to Real Madrid. We are asking for 18M.
- We are after Davide Zappacosta, 22 year right fullback, owned by Atalanta, spent last year on loan to Avellino

Not sure what to make about all of this, assuming it is correct. In particular, not happy to lose DS.
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post Jun 27 2014, 02:36 PM
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DS can go. Absolutely horrible season last year. tbh based on last season I'd probably only keep De Jong of the entire team.
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post Jun 27 2014, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 27 2014, 03:13 PM) *
This says that since we are unlikely to get offers for Balo, we will "sacrifice" DS and Pazzo.

Also:
- We are still after either Mandzukic or Dzeko
- Kaką and Robinho are on their way out, so we will save on their salary [hmm - I have seen no news about Robinho, if true this is good news]
- We are still after Iturbe, and he has chosen Milan, apparently Inzaghi is the one that convinced him
- It is quite possible that Pazzini and Matri will be gone. Of the two, Pazzo is likely to get us more money (8-10M) and may be heading to Napoli.
- If we sell Pazzo, counting on Balo + Matri would be risky, which is why we may try to get Dzeco for 20M
- To pay for Dzeco we will probably need to sell DS, and apparently we are still talking to Real Madrid. We are asking for 18M.
- We are after Davide Zappacosta, 22 year right fullback, owned by Atalanta, spent last year on loan to Avellino

Not sure what to make about all of this, assuming it is correct. In particular, not happy to lose DS.

OTOH, Kaka may stay with Milan after all (link), in which case our ability to get new players may be greatly reduced.
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post Jun 27 2014, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 27 2014, 10:13 AM) *
This says that since we are unlikely to get offers for Balo, we will "sacrifice" DS and Pazzo.

Also:
A- We are still after either Mandzukic or Dzeko
B- Kaką and Robinho are on their way out, so we will save on their salary [hmm - I have seen no news about Robinho, if true this is good news]
C- We are still after Iturbe, and he has chosen Milan, apparently Inzaghi is the one that convinced him
D- It is quite possible that Pazzini and Matri will be gone. Of the two, Pazzo is likely to get us more money (8-10M) and may be heading to Napoli.
E- If we sell Pazzo, counting on Balo + Matri would be risky, which is why we may try to get Dzeco for 20M
F- To pay for Dzeco we will probably need to sell DS, and apparently we are still talking to Real Madrid. We are asking for 18M.
G- We are after Davide Zappacosta, 22 year right fullback, owned by Atalanta, spent last year on loan to Avellino

Not sure what to make about all of this, assuming it is correct. In particular, not happy to lose DS.

A) No chance, without Balotelli leaving, there's no need whatever to get a CF for a 4-3-3...

B)Supporting Milan has allowed me to feel almost happier at the prospect of players leaving then players coming in, This is one such case. They are both earning 7+M after taxes and this both stupefies me and depresses our treasury

C)I've read that Juve already got him to agree to terms...if so i think that's the end of the race, Even if it's a player + cash deal, I feel both Iturbe and Hellas would be much happier with Juve then us...Added to that is the fact that we are talking about hypothetical money as neither Mexes, Abate, Balo or MDS have been sold....

D)Palermo were looking at Matri, Chievo just lost Thereau, Atalanta might lose Denis. Surely (even if on loan) we can get rid of him... I'd welcome a sale of Pazzo to the likes of a team like Lazio. Quags has loaffed on them 2 mercatos in a row and Pazzo is a like-for-like replacement for Klose. Even with their recent signing of Djorgevic. DO it!! Besides, Considering the dead wages we have on our bench, Losing Pazzo and Matri would free up Petagna, who played wonderfully for Pippo the last few years.

E-F)Even if we don't go for Dzeko, I think MDS should be sold. Considering Constant's late season form, I wouldn't be too terrified if we have him with Albertazzi behind him. It's far from sexy but we need to maximize our liquidity and this should do just fine...

G) Why not go for a U-21 italian RB? i can't see him costing too much and he seems, from the little i've seen to have a little more versatility then Abate...Obviously, with all these saved wages, we should be looking at Darmian/Santon/Vrsalko but FAWK Zappacosta could be pretty good

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post Jun 27 2014, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 27 2014, 04:36 PM) *
DS can go. Absolutely horrible season last year. tbh based on last season I'd probably only keep De Jong of the entire team.

I couldn't disagree more on DS, he's shown good promise and he's only 21, quite young for a defender so I wouldn't let him go.
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post Jun 27 2014, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jun 27 2014, 06:35 PM) *
I couldn't disagree more on DS, he's shown good promise and he's only 21, quite young for a defender so I wouldn't let him go.

Not a chance. He's got everything to be a great leftback.
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post Jun 27 2014, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 27 2014, 09:33 PM) *
Not a chance. He's got everything to be a great leftback.


Almost everything. but I'm not sure he's very fast.

It's too bad Milan is having such awful years. we've already managed to ruin some good talents, I don't want El Sha and DS to be the next ones because I think under the right circumstances they both can grow into very good players and the faces of the future Milan (especially MDS).
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post Jun 27 2014, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 27 2014, 03:55 AM) *
Honestly, I don't remember the first one, but the rest seem quite trivial to me. And the fact that you can't think of any more probably means there actually aren't. I don't think of De Rossi as a dirty player. Rough, sure, like Gattuso and Ambro, but not dirty.

Really? How about punching Icardi this season, hmh? Or the embarrassing simulation against Chievo? Sorry man, you mention Ambrosini and Gattuso - putting them in the same sentence also doesn't make sense. Now you can call me pedantic or more sensitive, but I regard Gattuso as a brute who's always inclined to incidents, but Milan held him back. That's the same category I have for De Rossi, a dirty player, but without the grace of playing for Milan.

Ambrosini? Man, he was English-like hard, though, strong, every now and then lost his nerves or made a stupid dangerous tackle. But that's about it. He was not in De Rossi's or Gattuso's category.
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post Jun 27 2014, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jun 27 2014, 03:35 PM) *
I couldn't disagree more on DS, he's shown good promise and he's only 21, quite young for a defender so I wouldn't let him go.


Sorry, but he was absolutely rubbish last season. All the promise was gone and he was dire. My tolerance for giving players 'a chance' is next to nothing now, because 12 months for me is a 'chance'.

I'd be quite happy if we sell him for a good price and get in Cole, Marcello or Santon.
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post Jun 27 2014, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 27 2014, 11:18 PM) *
Sorry, but he was absolutely rubbish last season. All the promise was gone and he was dire. My tolerance for giving players 'a chance' is next to nothing now, because 12 months for me is a 'chance'.

I'd be quite happy if we sell him for a good price and get in Cole, Marcello or Santon.

DS was injured for a large part of the season, and played on the wrong side. Not surprising he has under-performed. If played correctly, he has the potential of being a great player for us for a long time (which is why Carletto is after him).

If we get enough money and a suitable replacement, maybe. But it feels wrong ...
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post Jun 27 2014, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 28 2014, 12:18 AM) *
Sorry, but he was absolutely rubbish last season. All the promise was gone and he was dire. My tolerance for giving players 'a chance' is next to nothing now, because 12 months for me is a 'chance'.

I'd be quite happy if we sell him for a good price and get in Cole, Marcello or Santon.

Hey, wait a minute. DS is still young, this was his first true full season, yet it ended up being plagued by injuries. Also, he got played - for the most part of his season - on the right, which everyone agrees isn't his preferable side.

And now you mention Marcelo and Santon? Both of them played horrible for more then just 12 months in the past, so why ain't they crossed off for you?
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post Jun 28 2014, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 27 2014, 09:57 PM) *
Really? How about punching Icardi this season, hmh? Or the embarrassing simulation against Chievo? Sorry man, you mention Ambrosini and Gattuso - putting them in the same sentence also doesn't make sense. Now you can call me pedantic or more sensitive, but I regard Gattuso as a brute who's always inclined to incidents, but Milan held him back. That's the same category I have for De Rossi, a dirty player, but without the grace of playing for Milan.

Ambrosini? Man, he was English-like hard, though, strong, every now and then lost his nerves or made a stupid dangerous tackle. But that's about it. He was not in De Rossi's or Gattuso's category.


OK, maybe he's thrown a couple of punches due to the heat of the moment, but does that really make him a dirty player? For me a dirty player is someone like Materazzi or Chiellini, who incorporate shenanigans and dirty tackles in their way of playing. I don't think De Rossi makes it into that category, at least not for me.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 27 2014, 10:31 PM) *
Hey, wait a minute. DS is still young, this was his first true full season, yet it ended up being plagued by injuries. Also, he got played - for the most part of his season - on the right, which everyone agrees isn't his preferable side.

And now you mention Marcelo and Santon? Both of them played horrible for more then just 12 months in the past, so why ain't they crossed off for you?


Because they proved themselves already. DS hasn't. Overall he's given us 6 bright (ish) months since he broke through, and my patience has worn thin.

Not just with him, but the whole team. De Jong is the only player we have who walks away from last season with any credibility at all.

If we hold onto him we've done astoundingly well.
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