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post Aug 5 2014, 10:59 PM
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Robinho gone on loan
no news regarding Perin (don't think it's real)
Diego Lopez's agent has stated he hasnt spoken to milan as of a few hours ago
Udinese have confirmed that Milan are Interested in Armero, but no negotiations have begun

Wake me up when this **** is over
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post Aug 6 2014, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 4 2014, 12:43 PM) *
1-And who's then to blame for singing players like Matri?


2-I know very well how the Bundesliga functioned and how it reformed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) On the other hand we have Italy, as you mention, the government (which was for most years in recent time under Berlusconi) and the FIGC with the candidate we backed. Now tell me the Milan management stays in line of progress?


3-But now our wage burden does include Essien, Muntari and a couple of other players. Like you said it, we've gotta sell and release players in order to sign new ones. All I'm asking is, who gave Robinho a new contract, or Muntari? You think their contracts are a good thing for us?

Well that is another matter right there. Like for example Allegri liked Muntari and signed him, Seedorf liked Muntari too. Inzaghi gave him the arm band in a friendly recently. Isn't that enough justification for the fans? When the coach actually is satisfied with a player?


4-No, Galliani is surely not solely responsible. But the way he behaves and the moves he's doing - they make him into a prime candidate for all the bad things around Milan.


1-Who's to blame for Gilardino? Gourcuff? Who at Chelsea was responsible for Shevchenko? - This is where things are generalized to the bottom-line of an assumption, otherwise Matri did well for Juventus and the coach wanted him (Pazzini was injured at the time). The club agreed and Galliani took action.

2-How can one vote amongst all other Italian professional football teams be so decisive in the direction of the FIGC? Berlusconi owns the club, the club does not own Berlusconi. It is better for Berlusconi if Serie A was the EPL of world football. His investment in Milan would be of better value. But unfortunately football is not the hottest topic in the Italian government's agenda, considering its a sovereign nation obviously.

3-So now we have a wage issue because of Essien, Muntari and a couple of other players we do not like? Muntari was requested by Allegri and Essien was requested by Seedorf. That is where the foundations for a decision to sign them came from, as such they were accommodated for. Inzaghi gave Muntari the arm band in one of the friendlies, does not that signify that the player is actually good in the eyes of his coaches? Good in the type of game he brings?
If we have Muntari and Essian and Robinho, it could have been far worse my friend, like those players do not want to play for Milan for 3M, 2.5M and 2.5M respectively? That combined is 8M(16M), the salary you paid to Zlatan without tax. Not bad considering Milan's lack of european grade experienced players. Regardless of how shitty we consider them to be.

But look Pippo, If you go as far back as 2008 I have been posting about the financial situation at Milan and that every team we ever had was a wage issue for us! All the Maldinis Nestas Shevchenkos Seedorfs Van Bastens all those players you loved and adored Milan could not afford, the Milan that won CL finals and Scudettos and WCC and all the other irrelevant titles world-wide at the height of its success could not afford their wages. This is not an issue of recent years, this is a legacy issue at the club. We Milanfans are not as big in terms of worldfan base, hence the same is portrayed by our complete reliance on a rich benefactor rather than benefiting from a demand for our product.

Like this discussion fans are having on this forum 'are you a fan or not' ... Its easy to switch allegiance in football right? And our attendances at San Siro didn't decline because of Allegri or recent years, its been on a declining trend since the turn of the century. What Galliani is doing is not easy, yet sitting here at the comfort of our homes passing judgements based on our understanding of situations that frankly is fueled by bias is super easy no? So since we all know how easy it is to be the CEO of Milan why does Galliani still have the job after 28 years?

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post Aug 6 2014, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 6 2014, 01:45 AM) *
1-Who's to blame for Gilardino? Gourcuff? Who at Chelsea was responsible for Shevchenko? - This is where things are generalized to the bottom-line of an assumption, otherwise Pazzini did well for Juventus and the coach wanted him (Pazzini was injured at the time). The club agreed and Galliani took action.

2-How can one vote amongst all other Italian professional football teams be so decisive in the direction of the FIGC? Berlusconi owns the club, the club does not own Berlusconi. It is better for Berlusconi if Serie A was the EPL of world football. His investment in Milan would be of better value. But unfortunately football is not the hottest topic in the Italian government's agenda, considering its a sovereign nation obviously.

3-So now we have a wage issue because of Essien, Muntari and a couple of other players we do not like? Muntari was requested by Allegri and Essien was requested by Seedorf. That is where the foundations for a decision to sign them came from, as such they were accommodated for. Inzaghi gave Muntari the arm band in one of the friendlies, does not that signify that the player is actually good in the eyes of his coaches? Good in the type of game he brings?
If we have Muntari and Essian and Robinho, it could have been far worse my friend, like those players do not want to play for Milan for 3M, 2.5M and 2.5M respectively? That combined is 8M(16M), the salary you paid to Zlatan without tax. Not bad considering Milan's lack of european grade experienced players. Regardless of how shitty we consider them to be.

But look Pippo, If you go as far back as 2008 I have been posting about the financial situation at Milan and that every team we ever had was a wage issue for us! All the Maldinis Nestas Shevchenkos Seedorfs Van Bastens all those players you loved and adored Milan could not afford, the Milan that won CL finals and Scudettos and WCC and all the other irrelevant titles world-wide at the height of its success could not afford their wages. This is not an issue of recent years, this is a legacy issue at the club. We Milanfans are not as big in terms of worldfan base, hence the same is portrayed by our complete reliance on a rich benefactor rather than benefiting from a demand for our product.

Like this discussion fans are having on this forum 'are you a fan or not' ... Its easy to switch allegiance in football right? And our attendances at San Siro didn't decline because of Allegri or recent years, its been on a declining trend since the turn of the century. What Galliani is doing is not easy, yet sitting here at the comfort of our homes passing judgements based on our understanding of situations that frankly is fueled by bias is super easy no? So since we all know how easy it is to be the CEO of Milan why does Galliani still have the job after 28 years?

Easy. Galliani has not been sacked because Berlu is stuck in the last century same as Galliani or because his severance package would cost Berlu too much (or both). Limited on time in my reply, but in any case this argument seems to be going nowhere. Reality is that it is that Milan could have been managed much more effectively these last decade. To defend Galliani and Berlu you have to resort to a number of excuses that feel rather weak.

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post Aug 6 2014, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 6 2014, 04:04 AM) *
Easy. Galliani has not been sacked because Berlu is stuck in the last century same as Galliani or because his severance package would cost Berlu too much (or both). Limited on time in my reply, but in any case this argument seems to be going nowhere. Reality is that it is that Milan could have been managed much more effectively these last decade. To defend Galliani and Berlu you have to resort to a number of excuses that feel rather weak.


Quit frankly Berlusconi is the president by ownership and not election. I don't have to resort to anything, neither does Berlusconi have to justify anything to us fans.
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post Aug 6 2014, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 5 2014, 04:40 PM) *
Well everyone appreciates a little consistency in life, Trini. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Steady, stable, continuous going, who would say no to that. Oh you were talking about the player? I'm glad he's gone too. Wouldn't mind seeing the back of Zapata too, provided we can get someone better. He's more mediocrity, just like the chap who left.

I see what you did there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 5 2014, 05:24 PM) *

indeed...
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post Aug 6 2014, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 6 2014, 02:24 AM) *
Vintage Acid!

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QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 6 2014, 02:24 AM) *
Meh, I'm fine with Zapata. He has certain qualities in a defender that I like, but yes..too many odd mistakes come along usually.

Exactly, it is his fairly odd mistakes that kill it for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Not the worst defender of all time, but man what a fall from grace to have the likes of him patrolling our goal space. I think had we focused on only one aspect primarily with our youth system, producing good to great defenders only, our recent troubles would have been halved.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 6 2014, 11:26 AM) *
I see what you did there!

Well you did it first, brother. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Couldn't resist.

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Aug 6 2014, 11:26 AM) *
indeed...

Indubitably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 5 2014, 09:28 PM) *
Hopefully. But knowing our situation, one cannot be sure such a sound deal will actually happen.

True, I was just wearing my hopeful hat yesterday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 5 2014, 09:34 PM) *
Robinho to Santos is confirmed. The announcement should arrive soon.

Sources: Mediaset, Gazzetta

Are we still paying his wages? Because I'm assuming this is just a loan for this season right?
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post Aug 6 2014, 10:34 AM
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Diego Lopez looks to be on his way, we're negotiating over Armero. Why do we need Armero when we have MDS?

Does this mean he'll get shoved back to RB, and Abate will be benched again?
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QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 6 2014, 10:34 AM) *
Diego Lopez looks to be on his way, we're negotiating over Armero. Why do we need Armero when we have MDS?

Does this mean he'll get shoved back to RB, and Abate will be benched again?

I hope not, Armero imo is just a faster version of Constant
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post Aug 6 2014, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 08:09 AM) *
True, I was just wearing my hopeful hat yesterday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Are we still paying his wages? Because I'm assuming this is just a loan for this season right?


No, we're not. Santos president today said negotiations are going well, hopefully everything will be sealed soon.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 6 2014, 10:34 AM) *
Diego Lopez looks to be on his way, we're negotiating over Armero. Why do we need Armero when we have MDS?

Does this mean he'll get shoved back to RB, and Abate will be benched again?


We need Armero because with Urby and Constant gone we have zero alternatives on the flanks. Unless you wanna see Bonera play as LB... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 11:01 AM) *
I hope not, Armero imo is just a faster version of Constant


No way, man. Armero is way above Constant.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 6 2014, 11:27 AM) *
No, we're not. Santos president today said negotiations are going well, hopefully everything will be sealed soon.



We need Armero because with Urby and Constant gone we have zero alternatives on the flanks. Unless you wanna see Bonera play as LB... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)



No way, man. Armero is way above Constant.

He's fast, he's a good attacker, but he's pretty average in the defensive department. He's not better than either DS or Abate either.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 04:55 PM) *
He's fast, he's a good attacker, but he's pretty average in the defensive department. He's not better than either DS or Abate either.

Yup. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Nothing special, really. An improvement on Constant, though, which is just about right, considering what we have been reduced to. But he is nowhere near Abate or The Scig.
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Anyway, there's been nothing solid on Armero as of yet, it's pointless to discuss it into great detail as we probably won't get him anyway.

Constant's departure isn't official either
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Looks like we're very close to signing Lopez, with the switch most likely being a permanent one (sky saying that it's for 3 years worth 2.5m a year).

I think it's pretty good, he's not too old for a keeper (32 I think). He's still got a good few years left in him and imo, with the defence we have it's better to go after someone with experience rather than someone like Perin who's still learning the trade. We need someone who'll marshal our defence properly from the back, we haven't had a keeper that does that properly for years now
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 11:55 AM) *
He's fast, he's a good attacker, but he's pretty average in the defensive department. He's not better than either DS or Abate either.


He was a beast at Udinese. I agree he's not exceptional defensively, but I'll take him.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 12:49 PM) *
Constant's departure isn't official either


I thought it was official. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 6 2014, 03:54 PM) *
Looks like we're very close to signing Lopez, with the switch most likely being a permanent one (sky saying that it's for 3 years worth 2.5m a year).

I think it's pretty good, he's not too old for a keeper (32 I think). He's still got a good few years left in him and imo, with the defence we have it's better to go after someone with experience rather than someone like Perin who's still learning the trade. We need someone who'll marshal our defence properly from the back, we haven't had a keeper that does that properly for years now


He's 33. I agree, he'd be a good addition, even though I was looking forward to getting Perin.
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