[Rossoneri7]

But u know what han .... The sad thing is, Gilardino is a striker ... and no goals.


Like a car without gas ... pointless. We can admire everything about the car and all, but will it take us anywhere ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Come on han, give me a break here .. I'm not bashing him .. I'm speaking the truth and u know it

[dst]

Imagine we play without Kaka ... Gilardino would be just a shadow my friend (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

To be honest, didn't Gila score in the league in that game where Kaka was absent?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

To be honest, didn't Gila score in the league in that game where Kaka was absent??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

U again !!!Where's my stash (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)







(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Yeah give him his stash...make him shut up (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

He goes on like this and he'll convert me to his anti-Gila faith. And where would that leave han?

[dst]

You can't touch me!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

You can't touch me!!!!!!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Why would I ?! .......... I aint that happy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Locke Lamora]

You know what wer'e becoming?
One of those teams like Real Madrid or Ajax, playing below average and living on old titles.
This team needs change.
New players, we should start bringing up some real talents, instead of buying famous players who are past their peak.
Why do we keep Inzaghi anyway, and I'm starting to wonder whether Maldini and Nesta's injuries are ever going to heal.

This is getting too bad...

This post has been edited by Locke Lamora: Feb 28 2007, 08:07 PM

[han2503]

Why is it that u r backing Gilardino ?!

Kaka is one million times better than Gilardino, if Kaka has a bad day, he'll produce a performance that is 10x better than Gilardino's good day.

On that note, Kaka isn't a striker .. He is a midfielder. And because of his quality we have an attacking unit worthy of consideration. Imagine we play without Kaka ... Gilardino would be just a shadow my friend (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I am not criticising Gilardino ... I'm saying that is his limits. U think I was expecting something from him ?! No I was expecting it from Kaka, R99, hell even Gattuso .. But I would never play with fire and expect Gila to score. He scores good, but I know it would be a one-off, as it always has been (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I’m backing him because of posts like this one. Kaka is Kaka and when you see him get all those clear cut chances he got today you expect him to score, especially when it’s a penalty. Now don’t tell me you didn’t expect him to score because he is simply a midfielder so there is no shame in him missing those chances, because we all know that that’s not the case.

Gila is a poacher, if you expect him to run at defenders, dribble past them and score 30 yard bullets then I’m sorry my friend because that’s never going to happen. And from what you said in your post I know you don’t expect this which is good to hear since I’ve read quite a few people here expecting him to do just that.

If anything Gila is more then your average goal poacher because he is actually smart, he can make assists and not just stand there in the last line of defence getting caught offside every 2 minutes, he can score the occasional wonder goal now and then, the ones he scored for Parma show this perfectly.

I’m only defending him because I can see the potential in him, and also because him getting blasted every game even when he has a good one just because he didn’t score, tonight he had a decent game, he was holding up the ball brilliantly and linking up very well with Kaka, the chances didn’t come to him but they all mostly fell to Kaka, so I can’t see why you would take a dig at him. As I said when Gila missed the pen against Torina everyone was crying bloody murder and there was another hundred Gila threads opened, but now that it’s Kaka it’s ok. That’s what irritates me.

But u know what han .... The sad thing is, Gilardino is a striker ... and no goals.
Like a car without gas ... pointless. We can admire everything about the car and all, but will it take us anywhere ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Come on han, give me a break here .. I'm not bashing him .. I'm speaking the truth and u know it

Yes Gila is a striker that’s why he is currently the club’s top scorer (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I never said you where bashing him but it’s clear you like to take digs at him at every given opportunity. I’m speaking the truth and you know it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

I’m backing him because of posts like this one. Kaka is Kaka and when you see him get all those clear cut chances he got today you expect him to score, especially when it’s a penalty. Now don’t tell me you didn’t expect him to score because he is simply a midfielder so there is no shame in him missing those chances, because we all know that that’s not the case.

With that reasoning, u should be backing every average player this forum has ever taken a rift at.

Yes Kaka is a midfielder, not a second punta or the clubs leading goal scorer ..

Kaka is Kaka. There is no point in discussing this any further .. Unless, u rate Gila over Kaka, then for the first time, I would have to disagree with u.

Gila is a poacher, if you expect him to run at defenders, dribble past them and score 30 yard bullets then I’m sorry my friend because that’s never going to happen. And from what you said in your post I know you don’t expect this which is good to hear since I’ve read quite a few people here expecting him to do just that.

If anything Gila is more then your average goal poacher because he is actually smart, he can make assists and not just stand there in the last line of defence getting caught offside every 2 minutes, he can score the occasional wonder goal now and then, the ones he scored for Parma show this perfectly.

Ur contradicting urself there

I’m only defending him because I can see the potential in him, and also because him getting blasted every game even when he has a good one just because he didn’t score, tonight he had a decent game, he was holding up the ball brilliantly and linking up very well with Kaka, the chances didn’t come to him but they all mostly fell to Kaka, so I can’t see why you would take a dig at him. As I said when Gila missed the pen against Torina everyone was crying bloody murder and there was another hundred Gila threads opened, but now that it’s Kaka it’s ok. That’s what irritates me.

Kaka isnt our striker ... Gilardino is our striker, therefore, he should be the one scoring .. Simple as that. Kaka does his work in midfield, runs all round the place, passes everybody and places the ball on Gilardino's foot .. He does all that and u say he doesnt score ?! He is a midfielder not a striker, Gila should score.

Even with that, Kaka scores for us. He was the one who got us out of the group stages of the CL. he has 5 goals and his goals were crucial for us. But that wasnt part of his job ... But seeing as our strikers couldnt score he had to take the situation into his own hands.

Yes Gila is a striker that’s why he is currently the club’s top scorer (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I never said you where bashing him but it’s clear you like to take digs at him at every given opportunity. I’m speaking the truth and you know it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I dont like to take digs at anyone ?!

Is there a problem with u understanding me ?! Gilardino has 7 goals in Serie A, now he can take those 7 goals and shove them .. Cuz thats all they are worth. He wants to impress me ??

Let him act like a Milan striker and prove why he is worth 17 Million on the field of play .. Let him prove why he was who he was in Parma on the field .. Let him handle the pressure and score.

han .. I dont like arguing with u,on this matter, and I shut up till christmas, but come on now ... I am not trying to frustrate u .. I am speaking my mind and I think I have the right to my own opinion, not u nor my father could convince me Gilardino is better than average. ONLY Gilardino can do that by proving himself on the field. That he isnt doing

[KillerMax]

Gila is a flop. He was brought here to do great things, he hasn't done any of that...

Now there are a million explanations for it, but at the end of the day, Gila disappointed. Just looking at his CL scoring record says it all.

Oliveira flopped too.

You know who didn't flop? (when bought)

Weah

Bierhoff

Sheva

Inzaghi

[han2503]

With that reasoning, u should be backing every average player this forum has ever taken a rift at.

I only back the players that I see something special in, and I see that in Gila, no matter if you or anyone else here think he is average, I see that he has potential in him that's why I back him. i will never force you to agree with me on this, you are free to your oppinion (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes Kaka is a midfielder, not a second punta or the clubs leading goal scorer ..
Kaka is Kaka. There is no point in discussing this any further .. Unless, u rate Gila over Kaka, then for the first time, I would have to disagree with u.

I never said that Kaka is better then Gila, I know I defend him but I'm no fan boy that would even go as far as that, as I said I just see that something special in him and that's why I feel like I need to defend him at times. But I will never go as far as say that he is better then Kaka.

Kaka has a better scoring rate then some strikers, so you would expect him to put the chances he had today away. I don't expect him to notch up 20+ goals per season but I would expect him to finish off chances like the ones he had today. Kaka is the one that has set these high standards we expect of him, that's why we all need to recognise that Kaka can do badly at times and not always look at him through rose tinted glasses. Like today.

Ur contradicting urself there

It came out that way, but what I mean is even though Gila is a goal poacher he has that something extra that others like him don't have. There is a difference to expecting him to run with the ball and score 30 yarders and making assists, Gila can make assists and can make the odd brilliant pass here and there. You wouldn't expect Pippo to do that or any other goal poacher for that matter.

Kaka isnt our striker ... Gilardino is our striker, therefore, he should be the one scoring .. Simple as that. Kaka does his work in midfield, runs all round the place, passes everybody and places the ball on Gilardino's foot .. He does all that and u say he doesnt score ?! He is a midfielder not a striker, Gila should score.

Even with that, Kaka scores for us. He was the one who got us out of the group stages of the CL. he has 5 goals and his goals were crucial for us. But that wasnt part of his job ... But seeing as our strikers couldnt score he had to take the situation into his own hands.

And what are Oli and Pippo, our bench warmers? Gila shouldn't be the one taking all the cr@p for us misfiring badly all season. The team was playing bad, our strikers where all off form including Gila, so I can't see why he should be the one taking all the heat for our scoring inabilities.

As for your mention of Kaka's CL goals, yes we all expect Kaka to score, because these are the high standards he's set.

You can't tell me you don't expect Kaka to score just because he is a midfielder.

I dont like to take digs at anyone ?!

Is there a problem with u understanding me ?! Gilardino has 7 goals in Serie A, now he can take those 7 goals and shove them .. Cuz thats all they are worth. He wants to impress me ??

Let him act like a Milan striker and prove why he is worth 17 Million on the field of play .. Let him prove why he was who he was in Parma on the field .. Let him handle the pressure and score.

Man, the digs thing was a joke!

But seriously, how can you blame him for this season?? We've been cr@p all season from FRONT to BACK. It's not just him, Pippo has been much worse and Oli hasn't fared well either.

Let's just forget about how much we've spent on him, because really, that's not our money so we shoudn't care about how much Milan spent on him. And no he isn't carrying milan on his shoulders like he did with Parma, but Milan is not Parma, Milan is a huge club and he came with high expectations here, of course he felt the pressure especially last season but he still managed to score 19 goals for us.

Today he was more of a hold up man, to lay off the ball to Kaka, I could count the HALF chances he had today on one hand. Fact is the chances fell to Kaka and he didn't take them, they didn't fall to Gila.

han .. I dont like arguing with u,on this matter, and I shut up till christmas, but come on now ... I am not trying to frustrate u .. I am speaking my mind and I think I have the right to my own opinion, not u nor my father could convince me Gilardino is better than average. ONLY Gilardino can do that by proving himself on the field. That he isnt doing

Never said you don't have the right to your own oppinion, but I just find it frustrating that you only pinpointed the flaws in Gila's game today, despite some others having worse performances then him. Try to understand me here, I've never told you to agree with me or anything like that but try to understand where I'm coming from with this.

And of course only Gila can prove to you what he can do, no amount of posts I make will change your mind, but I'm confident he WILL change your mind, because as I said I see that something special in him. If I didn't see it there would be no way in hell I would be backing him especially after some of the performances he put out this season (yes I still criticise him, but only when he really deserves it)

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 28 2007, 09:11 PM

[Rossoneri7]

I only back the players that I see something special in, and I see that in Gila, no matter if you or anyone else here think he is average, I see that he has potential in him that's why I back him. i will never force you to agree with me on this,, you are free to your oppinion  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Good to know that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I never said that Kaka is better then Gila, I know I defend him but I'm no fan boy that would even go as far as that, as I said I just see that something special in him and that's why I feel like I need to defend him at times. But I will never go as far as say that he is better then Kaka.

Thanks for confirming ur sain (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Kaka has a better scoring rate then some strikers, so you would expect him to put the chances he had today away. I don't expect him to notch up 20+ goals per season but I would expect him to finish off chances like the ones he had today. Kaka is the one that has set these high standards we expect of him, that's why we all need to recognise that Kaka can do badly at times and not always look at him through rose tinted glasses. Like today.

Kaka set a standard .. Which is there is no 2 like him. Unlike Gila, there is a million strikers out there that are of his quality and believe it or not, there is even better than Gila out there (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It came out that way, but what I mean is even though Gila is a goal pocher he has that something extra that other like him don't have. There is a difference to expecting him to run with the ball and score 30 yarders and making assists, Gila can make assists and can make the odd brilliant pass here and there. You wouldn't expect Pippo to do that or any other goal pacher for that matter.

Something extra ?! Like what ?

Pippo ? U r questioning Pippo ?! Pippo Inzaghi is a firm favourite of this club because of what he has done for the team ... i.e. goals, by the dozen. Maybe at 33 he cant do what he used to do ... But comparing Gilardino to Inzaghi, there is nothing to compare ..

And what are Oli and Pippo our bench warmers? Gila shouldn't be the one taking all the cr@p for us misfiring badly all season. The team was playing bad, our strikers where all off form including Gila, so I can't see why he should be the one taking the heat for our scoring inabilities.

Oliviera (i dont really think much of him btw)... It's his first season with Milan. Since we ALL gave Gila a chance, we should leave Oliviera out of this, cuz there is no point .. Though I want Oli out faster than I would want Gilardino .. I think Oli is the one who deserves the chance this time around

As for your mention of his CL goals, yes we all expect Kaka to score, because these are the high standards he's set.

You can't tell me you don't expect Kaka to score just because he is a midfielder. 

Kaka has exceptional talent .. With a player like Kaka, Gilardino should have no problems scoring (especially since u see something special in him..) he should smash every assist Kaka passes to his feet into the goal. Shevchenko never complained .. Niether did Pippo, Tomasson, or Crespo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Apart from that Kaka scores, but he isn't a striker .. So, I wouldnt expect him to score. If he does, I would be overjoyed, cuz after all it's Kaka (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

But seriously, how can you blame him for this season?? We've been cr@p all season from FRONT to BACK. It's not just him, Pippo has been much worse and Oli hasn't fared well either.

Let's just forget about how much we've spent on him, because really, that's not our money so we shoudn't care about how much Milan spent on him. And no he isn't carrying milan on his shoulders like he did with Parma, but Milan is not Parma, Milan is a huge club and he came with high exoectations here, of course he felt the pressure especially last season but he still managed to score 19 goals for us.

Our attack was lacking Shevchenko, if u want the truth, that is it. A hard dry fact han. Oliviera, I mean even if I put him into this mix, there is no point, cuz he wasnt given as much a chance as Gila has had with Milan

The team has been doing great, in respect to what the team has been through .. we only conceeded 21 goals this season our midfield has been solid (possesion wise) .. And our flaw lies in the attack. Pippo Inzaghi hasnt been the same Super Pippo that he usually is, but he is 33 yrs old and cant play every 3 days. That is why the burden rests on this player called Gilardino. Who isn't living up to expectation .. at all. U give Inzaghi the same chances Gilardino had today and I'm sure he'd have scored at least 2.

Today he was more of a hold up man, to lay off the ball to Kaka, I could count the HaLF chances he has today on one hand. Fact is the chances fell to Kaka and he didn't take them, they didn't fall to Gila.
Never said you don't have the right to your won oppinion, but I just find it frustrating that you only pinpointed that flaws in Gila's game today, despite some others having worse performances then him.  Try to understand me here, I've never told you to agree with me or anything like that but try to understand where I'm coming from with this.

Gilardino was more of a hold up man ? So was Vieri last season ... I don't see that as a good sign han (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Gilardino should score not hold up the ball for others to score. It's a team game ? Yes, the team is doing its part, he should be doing his .. That is why he is placed in the 18 yard box.

And of course only Gila can prove to you what he can do, no amount of posts I make will change your mind, but I'm confident he WILL change your mind, because as I said I see that something special in him. If I didn't see it there would be no way in hell I would be backing him especially after some of the performances he put out this season (yes I can still criticise him, but only when he really deserves it)

han ... I admire how much time u invest in defending a player that has done nothing to help u prove ur point. His past with Parma, even I was thrilled that he joined. In anycase, we are just going back and forth with all this ...

There is not much left to say ... I say he doesnt score, u say he will

[han2503]

In anycase, we are just going back and forth with all this ...

Yep, I think we should leave it as it is. Because we could keep hoing on like this forever and a day.

Let's just agree to disagree on the Gila matter. But if in 2 years he doesn't deliver I will admit that I was wrong, but if he doesn deliver you will have to do the same. I think that's the fairest option we have (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Let's just be happy aboput Inter's draw for now (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[agenth]

Although Kaka was denied by goalkeeper Alberto Fontana early in the first half, the Brazil international put on an inspirational performance up front.

"Kaka played his best first half since he joined AC Milan," said Ancelotti.

"He was amazing, he created so many goalscoring opportunities.

"The penalty miss can happen, he hadn't missed a penalty before and he took it and will continue to take them."

Ancelotti had hoped for a better result but it was not to be as the Rossoneri saw their four-game winning streak brought to an end.

The result left Milan three points behind fourth-placed Lazio with 12 games left to play.

"We should have put the game beyond Palermo's reach in the opening 45 minutes," Ancelotti added.

"But I'm nevertheless satisfied with my team's performance."

Milan must brace themselves for a challenge in the Champions League qualifying race with Lazio determined to hold onto their current position.

Lazio coach Delio Rossi should have been all smiles after his team struck three times in the second half to clinch a come-from-behind victory against Catania in Rome.

However, the Biancoceleste boss was less than pleased with his team's lack of focus in the opening 45 minutes.

"This is an important win but it should also serve as a lesson to us," said Rossi.

"We failed to come out of first gear in the first half and in the end my players won because they wanted to.

"But we took unnecessary risks and we didn't play as we could or should have.

"I reiterate that as long as we play as we know we can, we will do well.

"The battle is within us, we depend on ourselves."

Meanwhile, Fiorentina coach Cesare Prandelli praised his players after they fought back to earn a 1-1 draw at Reggina thanks to Adrian Mutu's late penalty.

"It has been a difficult game," admitted Prandelli.

"My players did well to react and to surge forward and in the end our efforts paid off. We take home an important point."

The result left the Champions League hopefuls trailing eight points behind Lazio.

This weekend, Fiorentina take on Torino while Milan host Chievo and Lazio entertain Sampdoria.

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...1950409,00.html

was this true? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Yep, I think we should leave it as it is. Because we could keep hoing on like this forever and a day.

Let's just agree to disagree on the Gila matter. But if in 2 years he doesn't deliver I will admit that I was wrong, but if he doesn deliver you will have to do the same. I think that's the fairest option we have  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Let's just be happy aboput Inter's draw for now  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

In two years ?? Man, he'll be dead before that, u see the tifosi brain washed me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)