[han2503]

This is really bad, we should have killed off the game in the first half, end of story. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

@Porto, the xmas tree wasn't the problem, the finishing was, a missed penalty, Kaka having practically 3 chances begging him to put them away and he missed them all, credit to the Palermo keeper for having such an amazing game but we really should have done better.

Let's hope the missed penalty is a turnaround for Kaka, like the one for Gila when he missed against Torino

This post has been edited by han2503: Feb 28 2007, 05:20 PM

[jefri91]

in about 2 or 3 matches we are going to play Inter and are going to get killed

[X-Offender]

I've never blamed Carlo for our results before, but this time he really f@cked up. Ronaldo for Gila? Dammit, did he watch Milan-Samp or not? Ronnie can't play as a lone forward, he's too slow. He should have dropped Ambro instead of Gila, and played with 2 strikers. Seedorf was also having a very good match, he didn't deserve to be benched. Man, what a drag...

[Portman]

This is really bad, we should have killed off the game in the first half, edng of story.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

@Porto, the xmas tree wasn't the problem, the finishing was, a missed penalty, Kaka having practically 3 chances begging him to put them away and he missed them all, credit to the Palermo keeper for having such an amazing game but we really should have done better.

Let's hope the missed penalty is a turnaround for Kaka, like the one for Gila when he missed against Torino

We've to say the things like they're - the reality. We use the x-mas because we're a feckin' lazy prima-donna and old team. So old that Carletto changed the 4-4-2 diamond that we used in 95% of the matches on the past years to adapt a new tactic to the "oldies" (more behind, less to run back, more safe, etc).

Carletto must go in the end of the season. Tired of this _nt tactics. Milan must play like every big team should play - with 2 fowards. And this has nothing to do with Berlusconi.

[Portman]

in about 2 or 3 matches we are going to play Inter and are going to get killed

I'm waiting for another humiliation. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[han2503]

I've never blamed Carlo for our results before, but this time he really f@cked up. Ronaldo for Gila? Dammit, did he watch Milan-Samp or not? Ronnie can't play as a lone forward, he's too slow. He should have dropped Ambro instead of Gila, and played with 2 strikers. Seedorf was also having a very good match, he didn't deserve to be benched. Man, what a drag...

Yep, 1 of Ambro or Rino had to come off for Oli. And expecting Oli and R9 to make an impact in the last 15 minutes is insane. They should have come on at the beginning of the first half and we should have switch to a 4-3-1-2.

Seedorf was having one of his best games in months and he takes him off??!!!!

We've to say the things like they're - the reality. We use the x-mas because we're a feckin' lazy prima-donna and old team. So old that Carletto changed the 4-4-2 diamond that we used in 95% of the matches on the past years to adapt a new tactic to the "oldies" (more behind, less to run back, more safe, etc).

Carletto must go in the end of the season. Tired of this _nt tactics. Milan must play like every big team should play - with 2 fowards. And this has nothing to do with Berlusconi.

Porto as I said the xmas tree wasn’t the problem in THIS match, we needed that extra cover or our defence would have gotten ripped apart. But when we where heading for the end of the match and we really needed to win we should have definitely switched. It seems like lately we would much rather draw then try to win. And I hate that.

But not all big teams play with 2 strikers, Chelsea for the previous 2 rampant seasons only played with one striker, and Barca also only play with one striker.

What really makes me mad though is the fact that we should have won the game by half time, all those missed chances remind me of the early part of our season and we can't fall back into that rethm once again. We could have taken forurth spot tonight or at least stayed just 1 point away from it now we have to track back after falling back 3 points.

At this rate we probably won't make it

[weeeow]

just came home from school. Good match then but same comments from same people at the end 'We played cr@p' (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) . I am a bit piccef off as Kaka goes the same way with his penalties every time - I saw his first against Chievo last year AND guess what - HE WENT LEFT (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) !

Hopefully as someone said Kaka will have the same turnaround that Gila had after he missed his penalty (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

FORZA MILAN!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

[han2503]

Palermo 0 - 0 Milan

Stadio Barbera

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Alberto Fontana saved Kaka's debatable penalty to earn Palermo a point and halt injury-hit Milan's march on the Champions League places.

The Rossoneri had a real crisis on their hands, as eight defenders were out of action for one reason or another. Marek Jankulovski, Alessandro Nesta, Marcos Cafu, Serginho, Paolo Maldini, Kahka Kaladze, Alessandro Costacurta and the suspended Massimo Oddo left Carlo Ancelotti with precious few alternatives.

Palermo weren't exactly jumping for joy either, as Andrea Barzagli and Alberto Fontana were injured and Mattia Cassani sat out a ban, though David Di Michele and Eugenio Corini returned from suspension. The Rosanero were without a win in three.

Alberto Gilardino's shot was charged down and soon after the ex-Parma man ran on to an Andrea Pirlo through ball, but was brought down by Alberto Fontana, although contact appeared to be minimal. The former Inter goalkeeper was also booked, but he made up for it moments later with a save on Kaka's penalty.

There was a blow for the Rosanero, who lost Corini to injury, but Milan kept pushing and Fontana parried Kaka's long-range strike. The Brazilian then nutmegged World Cup winner Andrea Barzagli and drilled wide of the near post.

Roberto Guana performed a decisive tackle on Kaka as he ran into the area with only the goalkeeper to beat, then Mark Bresciano struck the side-netting.

Kaka was inspired and again burst into the area to force Fontana into a brave stop and the 'keeper also parried Clarence Seedorf's solo effort. Aimo Diana drilled a good Palermo chance wide of the near post from eight yards.

Palermo really should have taken the lead straight after the restart, as Diana's wayward shot fell straight into the path of David Di Michele, but he incredibly scuffed the ball with only Dida to beat.

Carlo Ancelotti threw on Ronaldo and Yoann Gourcuff, roundly booed by the Palermo fans. Within minutes Il Fenomeno nearly scored a bizarre goal, as Giuseppe Biava's clearance from his effort thumped the Brazilian's forehead and ricochete on to the crossbar!

Gourcuff fired just over with a free kick, Fabio Simplicio's curler was deflected off target and in stoppages Di Michele wasted a very promising opportunity for Palermo.


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Palermo: Fontana; Zaccardo, Barzagli, Biava, Pisano; Diana, Corini (Simplicio 9), Guana; Bresciano (Tedesco 70), Di Michele; Caracciolo (Matusiak 69)

Milan: Dida; Brocchi, Simic, Bonera, Favalli; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf (Gourcuff 71); Kakà; Gilardino (Ronaldo 71)

Ref: Trefoloni

Missed penalty: Kaka 9 (M)

[KillerMax]

This was an important game and although I really think Kaka f@cked up today, I think Ancelotti didn't have the balls to go for a win... I mean I'd rather lose trying than draw like wussies... We missed Oddo and Janku very much and I have to say again, Kaka was very bad today... A couple nice moves in the first half and that was it... He pretty much cost us the 2 points... But the whole team played like crap in the second half, but that was to be expected after playing so many games in such short period.

We'll come back stronger, that I'm sure of.

This post has been edited by pKillerMax: Feb 28 2007, 06:22 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

Darn...

This was not quite the result i expected, in fact rather disappointing. I know about the match only from ur posts so...here's my 2 cents.

Obviously the X-Mas tree wasn't the problem here.

We went into a match with what looks to me like the makeshiftiest of makeshift defenses. So I don't blame the extra defensive mids.

I can't blame Carlo one bit, in fact. The 'best player' in the world and on his team, scuffs up chances, and MISSED a penalty.

The second half as I see it, Palermo played a lot better, and were coming more in front. In such a phase, I don't see how it makes sense to take off a defensive mid to play Yoann. That's the kind of thing I'd expect a cr@p Dutch manager to do.( I don't necessarily mean Rijkaard, but this comment is directed at Porty). We saw Barca try something similar against Liverpool didn't we.

I think Carlo knew exactly, what the limitations of our defence was, more than we realize. We have the luxury to sit back and criticise. But if we had taken Rino/Ambro off and played in Yoann and those b!tches had scored, we would also have had the luxury of sitting back and cussing Carlo for being so naive. Unfortunately, we are in a position on the table where we can't throw caution to the wind. You think a draw is bad, I think a defeat would have been devastating.

Everyone likes a win sure, and I understand the sentiments here, but there are other things to consider. Like our very cr@p defence, without Oddo, requiring all the help we need.

As for Ronaldo playing as a sole striker, I don't think at any point it was supposed to be a 4-5-1. I think it was supposed to be a 4-4-1-1.

I don't really know about R99's limitations, but I do think he has played this formation in Real, with Raul behind him in the hole. And I think Raul<<<<Kaka. As much as I think he's(Raul) a decent player.

In retrospect, I'd say the reason for the draw was more like not taking the opportunities we got, rather than anything else. As for tactics, from what I've read I can't fault much. But keep in mind I haven't seen the match.

It's just my philosophy that if a player who excels at a function, doesn't perform it, it's not the coach's fault.

As for Oli. I already mentioned it, and I'm convinced,it would be stupid to play Oli as sole striker. He has the strengths needed for that role, but also too many weaknesses. Let me see him hold the ball, one time fluently under pressure and we'll see.

Too bad there was no Pippo. Woulda been somewhere around to distract Fontana when Kaka shot.

As for Gila...I'll give you one more season, biaatch, you're starting to bug me. Don't EVER dive. It's bad karma. Pippo is the devil himself, he exists outside the realm of karma.

P.S: I forgot to mention, the toll all the matches might have taken. Thanks fatboy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
P.P.S: What about Andy??? Don't tell me he's started to suck again!

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Feb 28 2007, 06:26 PM

[han2503]

This was an important game and although I really think Kaka f@cked up today, I think Ancelotti didn't have the balls to go for a win... I mean I'd rather lose trying than draw like wussies... We missed Oddo and Janku very much and I have to say again, Kaka was very bad today... A couple nice moves in the first half and that was it... He pretty much cost us the 2 points... But the whole team played like crap in the second half, but that was to be expected after playing so many games in such short period.

We'll come back stronger, that I'm sure of.

Let's hope so man. We got another game this Saturday, then we're back to the CL on wednesday and another game in the weekend. It's really hectic and you could see that the players where running on empty during the second half.

I still can't believe Kaka missed that penalty and the other 1 on 1 chances he got, he usually would have scored at least twice from the chances he had plus the penalty.

The tempo just dropped completely in the second half and we might lose even more points if Carlo decides to rest some players against Chievo on Saturday ahead of the CL clash, because some of the players really look waisted atm.

But we really should have tried to go for the win, as you said we didn't even look like we where trying, Carlo should have had some balls at half time to change the game and go out for the win. We needed to put on another striker and take off a DMF and put in Yoann.

The defence held up again but the wings where a mess especially the left side.

[HasanHasanly]

As for Gila...I'll give you one more season, biaatch, you're starting to bug me. Don't EVER dive. It's bad karma. Pippo is the devil himself, he exists outside the realm of karma.

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[Rossoneri7]

This is really bad, we should have killed off the game in the first half, end of story.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

@Porto, the xmas tree wasn't the problem, the finishing was, a missed penalty, Kaka having practically 3 chances begging him to put them away and he missed them all, credit to the Palermo keeper for having such an amazing game but we really should have done better.

Let's hope the missed penalty is a turnaround for Kaka, like the one for Gila when he missed against Torino

I think Carlo was spot on with his tactics ... a draw wasnt a fair result, Gila should have scored in the first half. Kaka had his chances as did R99 .. But their defence was intact and were always 2 steps ahead of us.

The x-tree helped us in releaving the pressure from our make shift defence .. But in the dying minutes, Carlo should have exchanged Seedorf with R99 ... That would have changed the out look of the game. Keep the pressure pilled on them.

In the end, we got a point out of this tie which is rather good compared when we played them at the San Siro ... Well, all eyes on our next fixture and I hope for a win (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[dst]

Carletto must go in the end of the season. Tired of this _nt tactics. Milan must play like every big team should play - with 2 fowards. And this has nothing to do with Berlusconi.

I really can't get this and you seem to repeat it every once in a while...

What the f@ck has playing with 2 forwards got to do with being a big team?? This is retarded... maybe we should play with 5 up front... that would make us the all time greatest team of the whole universe that shouldn't even bother wasting their time against the minors?? Please... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

We're the only damn team in the world that plays with 3 bloody #10's!! The one and only!! Now Carletto may be dumb, I agree, I don't think he's a good coach but saying it's his fault and the fact that we played the X-tree when we created so many chances is at least like playing blind man's buff!

Kaka should have scored, period! If I should be blame someone (which is NOT necessary to do in every single match) I'd blame Kaka, no doubt!! Had he scored we wouldn't be seeing all these posts here tonight. Maybe Carlo should have taken the penalty himself!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[han2503]

I think Carlo was spot on with his tactics ... a draw wasnt a fair result, Gila should have scored in the first half. Kaka had his chances as did R99 .. But their defence was intact and were always 2 steps ahead of us.

The x-tree helped us in releaving the pressure from our make shift defence .. But in the dying minutes, Carlo should have exchanged Seedorf with R99 ... That would have changed the out look of the game. Keep the pressure pilled on them.

In the end, we got a point out of this tie which is rather good compared when we played them at the San Siro ... Well, all eyes on our next fixture and I hope for a win (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

I think his tactics where good at the start of the game, but he really should have put on R9 in the game at least 15 minutes after half time, bringing on Oli and R9 to try and pull something in 10 minutes is insane.

I think Carlo got it right but again making his subs at least 20 minutes late.

Kaka in the end cost us this match because he really should have scored from all the chances he had (and I'm even forgetting the penalty here)

Gila didn't have any clear cut chance as far as I remember, he did hold the ball up well, but I still think that we need 2 strikers for any of our forwards to work well.

If you look at all of our games this season we have either drawn or lost all the games we started with the xmas tree or the 4-4-1-1 thing (this one is the one that I don't like the most, because it clearly doesn't work with playing central mids in the wide areas)