[William405]

High Five #ParmaMilan

http://youtu.be/MI6sYlfM1TE?list=UUKcx1uK38H4AOkmfv4ywlrg

[Fillipo Simone]

Very good compilation. So many memories...Pirlo's last goal for us, Maurizio Ganz and his stunner for our comeback...

And I love how they've included Dida's save into this one as well. Usually it's only goals.

[han2503]

It's a dangerous formation to simply jump into when you've not really worked on it in competitive matches before.

I'd rather stick with our 4.

Agreed

Very good compilation. So many memories...Pirlo's last goal for us, Maurizio Ganz and his stunner for our comeback...

And I love how they've included Dida's save into this one as well. Usually it's only goals.

I think they included saves in the Lazio compilation as well. Milan channel trying to get creative (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

And they are. Good job really.

[X-Offender]

To paraphrase yourself, 'what's the obsession over Honda' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I don't know, maybe because I've actually seen Honda play on a constant basis, and I know how good he can be.

[Jack Sparrow]

I must be one of the few here who think he cannot play in the mid three. Our formation hasn't allowed for a pure creator in the mid three for a long time. And truth be told we can't.

Not since Rino lost his legs, did we have the freedom of playing both Seedorf and Pirlo in the midfield three. If you remember once Rino lost his legs, we immediately put in Ambrosini and pushed Zee up while taking off an additional striker.

I wonder if we're making the mistake of thinking De Jong is a Gattuso type who can do the work of two people in midfield. Because he absolutely isn't.

For me I think Honda in his current position is fine. He 'starts in position' on that right wing, but the system has allowed him a lot of freedom to make runs at will, and run in to the centre. I notice that is very different from Zee who had a very rigid implementation of the 4-2-3-1.

Probably to get his 'best' which is to say to get the best position he has played in from past record, we'd have to go to an X-Mas tree or a Pyramid/Diamond 4-3-1-2.

I don't like that personally, because to play Honda in position we often end up having to play 2 players out of their favoured position. I'm more hopeful Honda will be able to stylise his play to become more effective where he is.

[Danny]

I don't know, maybe because I've actually seen Honda play on a constant basis, and I know how good he can be.

As AM, perhaps, not CM.

[Danny]

I must be one of the few here who think he cannot play in the mid three. Our formation hasn't allowed for a pure creator in the mid three for a long time. And truth be told we can't.

Not since Rino lost his legs, did we have the freedom of playing both Seedorf and Pirlo in the midfield three. If you remember once Rino lost his legs, we immediately put in Ambrosini and pushed Zee up while taking off an additional striker.

I wonder if we're making the mistake of thinking De Jong is a Gattuso type who can do the work of two people in midfield. Because he absolutely isn't.

For me I think Honda in his current position is fine. He 'starts in position' on that right wing, but the system has allowed him a lot of freedom to make runs at will, and run in to the centre. I notice that is very different from Zee who had a very rigid implementation of the 4-2-3-1.

Probably to get his 'best' which is to say to get the best position he has played in from past record, we'd have to go to an X-Mas tree or a Pyramid/Diamond 4-3-1-2.

I don't like that personally, because to play Honda in position we often end up having to play 2 players out of their favoured position. I'm more hopeful Honda will be able to stylise his play to become more effective where he is.

I think it's X Off that's the only one who wants Honda as CM rather than the majority.

[Jack Sparrow]

Well to make a tl;dr I would say that I think it would be easier for Honda to learn to play starting from the right and moving around from there, as opposed to learning how to defend a right flank in our porous midfield.

Besides, it might actually be advantageous that way, since they can't place a CDM to man mark Honda out of a game.

[X-Offender]

Not since Rino lost his legs, did we have the freedom of playing both Seedorf and Pirlo in the midfield three. If you remember once Rino lost his legs, we immediately put in Ambrosini and pushed Zee up while taking off an additional striker.

What? No way did Rino lose his legs by 2006/2007. He was in top form then. And he kept paying great until he was injured in 2008 and then kept out by Leonardo. Rino lost his legs, if we wanna put it that way, by 2010/11, the year of the scudetto.

As AM, perhaps, not CM.

Bonaventura has never played as CM either for that matter, always as AM/LW.

I think it's X Off that's the only one who wants Honda as CM rather than the majority.

Pretty sure I'm not the only one.

[Jack Sparrow]

Bonaventura has never played as CM either for that matter, always as AM/LW.

Oh? Because I believe he has played as a LM? In the leftmost position of the 4-4-2. Most important thing with Jack Bonaventura is he gives us cover for either of our wingers.

[Danny]

Bonaventura has never played as CM either for that matter, always as AM/LW.

He could possibly adapt to that slot but I'm explicitly NOT advocating him for CM. Only as AM. CM would be MvG, and DM De Jong.

It doesn't strengthen your case for Honda as CM when I didn't propose Bona for that slot either.

[han2503]

I must be one of the few here who think he cannot play in the mid three. Our formation hasn't allowed for a pure creator in the mid three for a long time. And truth be told we can't.

Not since Rino lost his legs, did we have the freedom of playing both Seedorf and Pirlo in the midfield three. If you remember once Rino lost his legs, we immediately put in Ambrosini and pushed Zee up while taking off an additional striker.

I wonder if we're making the mistake of thinking De Jong is a Gattuso type who can do the work of two people in midfield. Because he absolutely isn't.

For me I think Honda in his current position is fine. He 'starts in position' on that right wing, but the system has allowed him a lot of freedom to make runs at will, and run in to the centre. I notice that is very different from Zee who had a very rigid implementation of the 4-2-3-1.

Probably to get his 'best' which is to say to get the best position he has played in from past record, we'd have to go to an X-Mas tree or a Pyramid/Diamond 4-3-1-2.

I don't like that personally, because to play Honda in position we often end up having to play 2 players out of their favoured position. I'm more hopeful Honda will be able to stylise his play to become more effective where he is.

Simply cannot disagree more Jack!

"Our formation hasn't allowed for a pure creator in the mid three for a long time." No, that's our coaches, Allegri was the one who didn't like having a pure creator in the midfield, he used f@cking Boateng as a trequartista FFS!! That's how allergic he was to playing a creator in midfield. He ousted Pirlo and mostly relied on Seedorf who I wouldn't call a pure creator like Pirlo or Kaka were under Carlo. He even used 3 DMs at times.

It is actually the complete opposite of that, our midfield is absolutely DESPERATE for a creator, someone who can actually use the ball smartly and not pass it sideways/backwards or lump it forward. This mentality was only introduced by Allegri.

Carlo reverted to using both Ambro and Rino when we sold Sheva and started using the xmas tree. He pushed Seedorf up and played Kaka as a SS behind the poacher (Pippo/Gila). And that's why we started struggling a lot in Serie A because we just couldn't break down opposing teams when they parked the bus.

With Seedorf we're talking a completely different system so he shouldn't factor in the discussion. Pippo is going to be using a 3-man midfield, just like what Carlo did and what Allegri did.

The Rino type of player is extinct these days, and no top team can afford to have someone who's just in there to break down the plays, they want all rounders, players who are great on both sides of the ball. Look at Barca, they have Busquets, every other pure DM they ever had they used in the defence, Real have Khedira, Chelsea have Matic or Ramires, etc, etc.

This obsession we have with DMs is incredibly ridiculous, we have De Jong, who's a pure anchor player, no need for any other player who does the dirty work and makes the simple pass. Ideally our midfield should be De Jong, 1 pure creative CM (Monto, Honda, Jack) and 1 two-way player who's good on both sides of the ball, that obviously MvG for me and Poli his immediate sub with Muntari being able to sub for all 3 when needed.

Any combination that involves De Jong and Muntari or Essien is just over kill, especially for Serie A, when you need your midfield to be fast and fluid to break stubborn teams down

I think it's X Off that's the only one who wants Honda as CM rather than the majority.

Actually I'm all for it.

He's a relatively slow player who is pure shite at dribbling imo. He absolutely shouldn't be used on the wing. Yes in an ideal world he'd be used in the traditional AM/trequartista role, but we're not going to be playing with a system that makes use of that position this season, so imo, if we want to get the best out of him he needs to be in an area where his best attributes can be put on show, and imo, he'd be great at CM. He's capable of tracking back, probably even better than that lazy @ss Muntari. And he'd be in a position where his passing and vision can be of great use to the squad, because I do think he's probably our best passer and creative mind in the side

[Jack Bauer]

http://www.football-italia.net/55777/milan...-torres-trident

Stephan El Shaarawy suffered an ankle problem on international duty with Italy and has still not fully recovered

[han2503]

http://www.football-italia.net/55777/milan...-torres-trident

They said he could be ready for the Norway game... How come they're now saying that he's a doubt for Sunday? I seriously hope this is not going to be a Pato type situation with SES.