[Jack Sparrow]

Exactly. It's tough for me coz I loved both of them in our colours. But as a person I would think Pippo would just be the nicer person.

Zee is cerebral. He'd be a great coach I think.

What would be great is if both of them were willing to work together as coach and assistant without any egos.

[dst]

What would be great is if both of them were willing to work together as coach and assistant without any egos.

Hahahaha!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[servbot]

What's he talking about? Phil Jackson doesn't meditate, he smokes weed! Unless that what he means.

I think he does both. (maybe at the same time?) He's well known, at least here in Chicago, for his practice of Zen Buddhism. He's written several books, but the one I've read, called Sacred Hoops, talks especially about the first Bulls years, and how he got the players to buy into some of his Zen Buddhist practices. Fascinating book, well worth the read even for those who aren't basketball fans.

If Seedorf wants to pick his brain for ideas, that tells me good things about the effort Seedorf plans to put into his coaching career.

[Fillipo Simone]

So, yesterday was the last week of the Brazilian Serie A. Botafogo managed to win 3-0 and qualify for next season's Libertadores Cup. Seedorf scored the third goal, and after the game started crying.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last game as a football player. Given his previous declarations, the guy wants to become a coach, and he's Berlusconi's first choice for Milan's bench next season. The guy has about 6-7 months to get the coach's license and prepare.

Why do you keep referring to him as 'the guy'? Some sort of protest or?

He needs to work with the youth setup. But then there is Pippo already. Can two tigers live on the same mountain?

If we move Zee directly to head coach, what message does it send to Pippo?

The 'right thing' to do would be to promote Pippo to head coach and Zee into Pippo's place. Screw what Brocchi thinks. But then where is the future for Zee. He won't accept anything less than head coach position.

But didn't Pippo say he just doesn't feel ready to be our main coach? I think this is why he never comes up as a solution.

And what the hell has Brocchi to do with any of that?

[acid911]

Hahahaha!!

Absolutely. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And that's why I don't want either of them around. Find an outsider, that is a real coach. And then get him the require players, give him time, and we should be back to where we were. Heck, I'd rather see Ancelotti as coach than both Seedorf and Inzaghi. Both were immense players, but both were full of themselves.

Seedorf the bigger culprit here, and the last thing we need is sticky situations on our hand due to the coach.

[X-Offender]

Why do you keep referring to him as 'the guy'? Some sort of protest or?

Hahaha, no man, I mean nothing by it at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[acid911]

Hahaha, no man, I mean nothing by it at all.

Hey, I asked Fillipo to read between the lines, he's just acting on my friendly advice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[X-Offender]

Hey, I asked Fillipo to read between the lines, he's just acting on my friendly advice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

What? What's that link for?

[acid911]

What? What's that link for?

My advice? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) You'll have to click the original post to get the whole picture. There was a discussion about Allegri, where me and Fillipo were discussing whether Allegri was one of your favorite player. And I talked about how Allegri is a master of destruction, and reading between the lines.

With your Seedorf 'the guy' post, Fillipo is just trying to find whether you have a grudge with him or not. To be honest, Seedorf did make a few people unhappy about needless extending his stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Out of all our senior, only Nesta earned it every time, and Ambrosini more often than not.

Inzaghi, Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso all overstayed their welcome by one, two or three seasons.

[X-Offender]

My advice? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) You'll have to click the original post to get the whole picture. There was a discussion about Allegri, where me and Fillipo were discussing whether Allegri was one of your favorite player. And I talked about how Allegri is a master of destruction, and reading between the lines.

With your Seedorf 'the guy' post, Fillipo is just trying to find whether you have a grudge with him or not.

Ah, you have to click the little arrow to go to your post. Didn't know that. And yeah, I get it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

To be honest, Seedorf did make a few people unhappy about needless extending his stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Out of all our senior, only Nesta earned it every time, and Ambrosini more often than not.

Inzaghi, Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso all overstayed their welcome by one, two or three seasons.

Totally agreed.

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[acid911]

Ah, you have to click the little arrow to go to your post. Didn't know that. And yeah, I get it.

Cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Totally agreed.

Cooler. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

To be quite uncool, I'll say Pippo surely didn't overstay. Bar his constant injuries, he still was a menace; just remember the Real Madrid encounter.

But anyway, I think both Pippo and Clarence would shots in the dark. But since there ain't many experienced coaches who'd likely move to Milan, I'm all for it. I'm really not for outsiders: Allegri, Terim, Zaccheroni, Tabarez - all failed.

[acid911]

To be quite uncool, I'll say Pippo surely didn't overstay. Bar his constant injuries, he still was a menace; just remember the Real Madrid encounter.

I know where you are coming from. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But he had that sight on goal for his last couple of seasons, particularly the last season when he knew things weren't going well with him and Allegri. We surely could have (probably) groomed a younger player in his place.

But compared to Seedorf, Gattuso and Pirlo, yeah Inzaghi did little wrong. Playing in the attack meant that he was nearly not exposed as much as these other guys who had midfield duties. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I still remember just how much of a disservice these three did to their names and legacy, but just being clumsy, slow, or stupid during play.

I am not doubting their determination or will to give it there all. It's just that there all came in at 5/10.

But anyway, I think both Pippo and Clarence would shots in the dark. But since there ain't many experienced coaches who'd likely move to Milan, I'm all for it. I'm really not for outsiders: Allegri, Terim, Zaccheroni, Tabarez - all failed.

Yeah, well not outsiders like these. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I just want a proven name, someone that can be classified as a proper coach, a true man manager, team builder, someone that has an identity and give it to the club. Because, well, signing a nobody (even Van Basten) would just be akin to shooting another arrow in the dark.

And that is an experiment, a risk, we can't afford now. No sirree, it may do wonders for us, but there is less than a 10% change of that happening. The team environment, management, lack of seniors, abundance of punks, all these factors combined means it could well be another three four years going in circles.

The best coach is the one that leaves a team in better condition than he acquired it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) FACT.

[Fillipo Simone]

I know where you are coming from. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But he had that sight on goal for his last couple of seasons, particularly the last season when he knew things weren't going well with him and Allegri. We surely could have (probably) groomed a younger player in his place.

Probably? I really don't think so. Allegri would have introduced someone younger if we had the talent. But the honest truth with Milan is that we don't have so many talents available. In fact, I can't remember which homegrown striker last was truly good. Paloschi comes close, but his long loan periods do not give me much confidence.

The thing is, I really don't believe veterans hold back things. Especially not Pippo, who wanted only joker status. If young players are really "that" good, they take their place. Like Kaka took Costa's. But other then that I don't fall into the category of people who once tried to convince me that Coco should take Maldini's place or that Seedorf is holding back the incredible talent of Gourcuff.

But compared to Seedorf, Gattuso and Pirlo, yeah Inzaghi did little wrong. Playing in the attack meant that he was nearly not exposed as much as these other guys who had midfield duties. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I still remember just how much of a disservice these three did to their names and legacy, but just being clumsy, slow, or stupid during play.

I think you're being unfair to Rino and Pirlo as well. Pirlo didn't hold us back as well, he just proved to be a unique character and someone who didn't appreciate where he was. Rino, apart from that appalling Jordan/Tottenham incident, didn't do much wrong as well.

But one last thing I want to highlight. You know the last Milan-moment which was truly filled with emotions? When Inzaghi scored. I cried a little.

And that says it all. I'd rather watch another 2 years the lazy fat-*** Seedorf, the Pippo-redux he was in the last months, the aging Zambrotta and Ambrosini the the Muntari's, Niang's, Birsa's, Constant's and Mesbah's we have right now. This was always my approach. Change faded stars? Surely; rejuvenation is necessary and crucial for a consistent stay on top. But changing faded players at all cost is utterly stupid.

And the biggest fault goes on Galliani and our management here. They had the chance to embrace the possibility of players like Nesta, Maldini, Inzaghi, Ambrosini or Seedorf staying and playing long with us here while breeding a whole new bunch of players who'll be ready to train, learn and watch the giants play. The torch would have been passes along smoothly. But no, we had to play with various Grimi's, Mationi's, Datti's and Onyewu's.

Sure, money was the big issue. After all, I haven't invented this; Milan did it a long time ago, when players like Baresi, Tassotti, Ancelotti or Albertini passed the torch along to younger legends in the making.

Yeah, well not outsiders like these. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I just want a proven name, someone that can be classified as a proper coach, a true man manager, team builder, someone that has an identity and give it to the club. Because, well, signing a nobody (even Van Basten) would just be akin to shooting another arrow in the dark.

And that is an experiment, a risk, we can't afford now. No sirree, it may do wonders for us, but there is less than a 10% change of that happening. The team environment, management, lack of seniors, abundance of punks, all these factors combined means it could well be another three four years going in circles.

The thing is, I honestly doubt we could find a proven name today who'd be willing to step in. If Milan had a plan, a project, a long term perspective - maybe. But with these baby steps,..no.

The best coach is the one that leaves a team in better condition than he acquired it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) FACT.

Agreed, at least mostly.

[Jack Bauer]

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