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post Nov 13 2013, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 13 2013, 05:31 PM) *
Being pedantic wouldn't we still have been dealing in Lira rather than the Euro?

What do you mean? Are you trying to say X-Off was maybe thinking about the Lira price? Because I think Lira was one of those countries that had silly numbers, like 1billion Lira was worth about £50.
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post Nov 13 2013, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 13 2013, 03:34 PM) *
What do you mean? Are you trying to say X-Off was maybe thinking about the Lira price? Because I think Lira was one of those countries that had silly numbers, like 1billion Lira was worth about £50.


No, I simply meant that euros only came in in 1999 but they took 3 or 4 years to fade out native currency so it's quite feasible we paid (in 2001) in whatever was the Italian equivalent of £1. Lira was the first thing to pop into my head but wasn't that equivalent of 00.1p? What was the Italian 'pound' back then?
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post Nov 13 2013, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 13 2013, 04:31 PM) *
Being pedantic wouldn't we still have been dealing in Lira rather than the Euro?

Lira didn't fade totally till the year after we signed him.

Has got to be the funniest and most confusing currency I have ever dealt with

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 13 2013, 04:34 PM) *
What do you mean? Are you trying to say X-Off was maybe thinking about the Lira price? Because I think Lira was one of those countries that had silly numbers, like 1billion Lira was worth about £50.

Yeah.
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post Nov 13 2013, 05:12 PM
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It's in Euros, because that amount of Lira's could buy players like Luigi Sala, not the Costa's and Inzaghi's.
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post Nov 13 2013, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 13 2013, 06:51 PM) *
No, I simply meant that euros only came in in 1999 but they took 3 or 4 years to fade out native currency so it's quite feasible we paid (in 2001) in whatever was the Italian equivalent of £1. Lira was the first thing to pop into my head but wasn't that equivalent of 00.1p? What was the Italian 'pound' back then?


One euro is equivalent to 1936.27 lira. So, in lira, Inzaghi would have cost 68 billion. Don't you remember when Inter signed Vieri for 90 billion lira? That's why he was called Mr. 90 Billion. A record fee back then.
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Yeah, 90 billion and Simeone. What a move.
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post Nov 15 2013, 09:20 AM
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Carlo Ancelotti discussed his new book, tips Andrea Pirlo to become a Coach and admits he was “crazy” to turn down Roberto Baggio.

The Real Madrid boss releases ‘Il mio Albero di Natale’ – My Christmas Tree – a book focusing on tactics, man-management and training in his career.

“I have been coaching for 18 years and football has changed a lot in that time,” Ancelotti told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“The idea was to show how it mutated via my personal experiences. It is a book dedicated to Coaches, to those who love football and are curious to see from the inside how a team works.

“I am in the locker room every morning. I speak to some players, while others might be angry and it’s better to wait for them to calm down. It’s not an issue of controlling the squad, but of communicating and seeing if there are any problems.”

Ancelotti has often worked with over-bearing Presidents, but assured he never took orders on which line-up to adopt.

“Communication does not mean imposition. I like to talk to the directors about what I’m doing, have done and intend to do. This is information a Coach has the duty of giving to his club. Why is it interpreted badly? Because people amuse themselves that way.”

He certainly went against his club when Parma agreed a transfer for Roberto Baggio, only for Ancelotti to pull the plug, while he also let Gianfranco Zola go.

“Looking back on it now, I was crazy. How can you give up on someone like Baggio? I was young and didn’t have the courage to throw myself into something that I didn’t know well enough. I knew everything about the 4-4-2.

“In order to talk about tactics, you have to be convinced and credible. In every locker room there are players ready to be Coaches, such as John Terry, Thiago Motta, Thiago Silva, Andrea Pirlo and Xabi Alonso. Do you honestly think you can teach Pirlo something about how to prepare a game on a tactical level?

“The first major tactical change I made was for Zinedine Zidane at Juventus. I learned quickly...”

Ancelotti is now at Real Madrid and showing his versatility, though there is still a great deal of criticism in Spain.

“With Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo, the best system is 4-3-3. Bale took a while to arrive, so at the start I sought a 4-4-2 for greater balance. With Bale I went back to the initial idea and now we need to find that balance. As we saw from recent games, there’s a lot of work to do!

“The counter-attack is the simplest way of creating a scoring opportunity. Clearly just using the counter means you don’t have an identity, but when there’s space for it with the strikers we’ve got, it becomes lethal. There is a certain demonization of the term in Spain and the word has to be used carefully.

“I was talking about Hernan Crespo and Zlatan Ibrahimovic told me: ‘He was a great striker, but not someone who can win a game by himself. There are only three of those: Ibracadabra, Messi and Ronaldo.’ Ibra is right.”

Milan are in crisis at the moment and today there will be a crunch meeting between President Silvio Berlusconi and his right-hand man Adriano Galliani.

“I think Berlusconi recognises all Galliani has done for Milan. They helped each other a lot, which is why what’s happening now is surprising. I think the best person to resolve Milan’s problems is still Galliani.”


I'm gonna buy the shite out of that book once it comes out in English.

Meanwhile the second bolded part is interesting. It clearly shows something we knew. Silvio cutting the credit line and staying away from the club as well.

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I'm gonna buy the shite out of that book once it comes out in English.

Meanwhile the second bolded part is interesting. It clearly shows something we knew. Silvio cutting the credit line and staying away from the club as well.


I miss him so much .. I miss those glorious days where we played on top of the world.
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post Nov 15 2013, 07:23 PM
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Top of the World, yet not top of Italy. Only Carlo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 15 2013, 07:45 PM
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I really thing all of this crazy nostalgia over Carlo is misguided. Carlo was a breath of fresh air when he came and what he did in Europe was f@cking fantastic! But the time came for him and us to depart and that was because he had no more good ideas for the team. The team had been figured out in Italy and we were having a really hard time. Confidence was low and it was affecting our European performances as well. The management was at fault for a lot of it, but Carlo was not helping with his rigidity either. It was time for a change. Milan don't need their old heroes back. Milan need a motivated new management, a solid plan and a fresh start with a new coach and new transfer strategy.
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post Nov 15 2013, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 16 2013, 12:45 AM) *
I really thing all of this crazy nostalgia over Carlo is misguided. Carlo was a breath of fresh air when he came and what he did in Europe was f@cking fantastic! But the time came for him and us to depart and that was because he had no more good ideas for the team. The team had been figured out in Italy and we were having a really hard time. Confidence was low and it was affecting our European performances as well. The management was at fault for a lot of it, but Carlo was not helping with his rigidity either. It was time for a change. Milan don't need their old heroes back. Milan need a motivated new management, a solid plan and a fresh start with a new coach and new transfer strategy.

+∞ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Quoted for truth, and the absolute truth that it is. Carlo was a good coach, but spent towards his end.
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post Nov 15 2013, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 15 2013, 07:45 PM) *
I really thing all of this crazy nostalgia over Carlo is misguided. Carlo was a breath of fresh air when he came and what he did in Europe was f@cking fantastic! But the time came for him and us to depart and that was because he had no more good ideas for the team. The team had been figured out in Italy and we were having a really hard time. Confidence was low and it was affecting our European performances as well. The management was at fault for a lot of it, but Carlo was not helping with his rigidity either. It was time for a change. Milan don't need their old heroes back. Milan need a motivated new management, a solid plan and a fresh start with a new coach and new transfer strategy.

Couldn't have said it any better
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post Nov 15 2013, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 15 2013, 09:45 PM) *
I really thing all of this crazy nostalgia over Carlo is misguided. Carlo was a breath of fresh air when he came and what he did in Europe was f@cking fantastic! But the time came for him and us to depart and that was because he had no more good ideas for the team. The team had been figured out in Italy and we were having a really hard time. Confidence was low and it was affecting our European performances as well. The management was at fault for a lot of it, but Carlo was not helping with his rigidity either. It was time for a change. Milan don't need their old heroes back. Milan need a motivated new management, a solid plan and a fresh start with a new coach and new transfer strategy.


I don't think anyone of us misses or wants Carlo back. Or Seedorf. Or any of those players who gave it all and became kind of a burden during their last couple of years with us.
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post Nov 15 2013, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 15 2013, 09:45 PM) *
I really thing all of this crazy nostalgia over Carlo is misguided. Carlo was a breath of fresh air when he came and what he did in Europe was f@cking fantastic! But the time came for him and us to depart and that was because he had no more good ideas for the team. The team had been figured out in Italy and we were having a really hard time. Confidence was low and it was affecting our European performances as well. The management was at fault for a lot of it, but Carlo was not helping with his rigidity either. It was time for a change. Milan don't need their old heroes back. Milan need a motivated new management, a solid plan and a fresh start with a new coach and new transfer strategy.

I disagree.

Yes, Milan do need a new strategy and a new management. But why not exactly with old heroes? Sacchi and Capello both had successful second terms. Ancelotti moved away and did a good job with all his clubs. This is a new Milan and will be a new Milan for him, so I don't see how for example calling him back in a coach or even management role would seem as moving backwards. Same goes for other names. We've gotta build around our past heroes, because sadly, the past is one of the few things we still have left.

As Allegri, Galliani and others managed to squander many aspects of our identity and year-long reputation, we've gotta move back to what made us successful in the first place. Since Berlusconi is old and not exactly the face of success anymore, we've gotta do it with the Maldini's, Albertini's and Ancelotti's.

I don't see how past heroes and new strategies collide in a negative way.
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post Nov 16 2013, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 15 2013, 05:32 PM) *
I don't think anyone of us misses or wants Carlo back. Or Seedorf. Or any of those players who gave it all and became kind of a burden during their last couple of years with us.


You are wrong. There are some that do.

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