[han2503]

Clarence has made a bit of a faux pas here. He just sounds bitter and wants to blame someone for his Milan career ending. Because, lest we forget, he did NOT play every match under Carlo either. Or Leo.

He was always used sparingly. Particularly in the latter 4 years of his Milan career.

Under Carlo? Seedorf was probably the first name on the team sheet under Carlo, and he was used a lot with Leo as well.

I think first season under Allegri he was used sparingly, 2nd season a bit more then that but still not a full regular. Let's not forget that Allegri preferred to go out in games using 3 DMs. Remember the VB, Nocerino, Ambro mids we were treated to?

Seedorf has part of the blame, definitely as kurt said, in the league he played like he couldn't give 2 sh!ts about anything so expecting to play consistently is just ridiculous

[Danny]

Under Carlo? Seedorf was probably the first name on the team sheet under Carlo, and he was used a lot with Leo as well.

I think first season under Allegri he was used sparingly, 2nd season a bit more then that but still not a full regular. Let's not forget that Allegri preferred to go out in games using 3 DMs. Remember the VB, Nocerino, Ambro mids we were treated to?

Seedorf has part of the blame, definitely as kurt said, in the league he played like he couldn't give 2 sh!ts about anything so expecting to play consistently is just ridiculous

I'm lost. The first part of your post disputes me, but then the second part agrees with Kurt. And he and I are saying the same thing.

Seedorf wasn't a regular starter in the last 6 years under any manager and that's a fact. As he got older he played less. 2008/09 was the last season he started 30 times in the league. It just went down after that as he aged, manager irrelevant.

He wasn't the first name on Carlo's sheet, c'mon!

[han2503]

I'm lost. The first part of your post disputes me, but then the second part agrees with Kurt. And he and I are saying the same thing.

Seedorf wasn't a regular starter in the last 6 years under any manager and that's a fact. As he got older he played less. 2008/09 was the last season he started 30 times in the league. It just went down after that as he aged, manager irrelevant.

He wasn't the first name on Carlo's sheet, c'mon!

Under Carlo he wasn't a regular? I think you remember a completely different Milan because Seedorf was a Carlo favourite, and we all complained about it here. If he wasn't playing then it was because he was injured.

Think back, we played a 4-3-2-1 under Carlo in his final 3 seasons or so, Kaka and Seedorf behind Gila/Pato/Pippo, that's how we went out in every game

I didn't say he was a regular with either Leo or Allegri

Also, what you and kurt are saying is completely different. Kurt is saying that a player cannot expect to play like he doesn't give a sh!t and be given a starting spot each time, what you're saying is that Seedorf hadn't been a regular at Milan well before Allegri came into the picture, which imo is not correct, because he was a regular under Carlo, and that includes every year that he coached us. Seedorf was always a hugely important part of his system, no matter how crappy he played at times

[il_diavolo_mtl]

Seedorf: "The reason I left Milan was because of Allegri. We didn't have a good relationship. He would play me for important games and then bench me for the rest. That didn't work for me. I was used to always playing. Staying out, the rest of the world thought I wasn't physically fit. However, to stay in top form, even if you're not young anymore, you must continuously play. Giggs and Scholes are good examples. But Allegri wouldn't permit this, which was a shame"

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For once I'm with Allegri on this one. Playing Seedorf in every game? Oh, the horror...

Agreed, i'm also one of those who can remember how little he seemed to care in league games...and how he was the slowest midfielder in the league by quite some lengths

[milanbuf88]

Agreed, i'm also one of those who can remember how little he seemed to care in league games...and how he was the slowest midfielder in the league by quite some lengths

I remember at the end it seemed like the only thing he still cared to do was hold possession and pass backwards. He never lost his close control and ability to shield the ball with his body but he rarely showed any fire to press the ball forward. Basically only useful when trying to kill off games.

[X-Offender]

He was unbearable.

[Linkman]

No hating on Zee on his own thread! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

No hating on Zee on his own thread! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Word (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[X-Offender]

Seedorf: "I want to become the best coach in the world. I want to start from scratch and build a whole new career. My model? Phil Jackson, even though he has nothing to do with football. I have an appointment with him. He accepted my request of meeting him and talk. He's someone who Michael Jordan meditated with. He managed to make some of the best players in the world accept spiritual values. It was a special group that managed to beat opponents like Lakers, Boston and Utah"

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Then he also says he still hasn't decided when he's gonna quit playing.

[dst]

What's he talking about? Phil Jackson doesn't meditate, he smokes weed! Unless that what he means.

[Rossoneri7]

Those dreads weren't a fashion statement? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[X-Offender]

What's he talking about? Phil Jackson doesn't meditate, he smokes weed! Unless that what he means.

Well, Michael Jordan mediated, that's what he meant.

[X-Offender]

So, yesterday was the last week of the Brazilian Serie A. Botafogo managed to win 3-0 and qualify for next season's Libertadores Cup. Seedorf scored the third goal, and after the game started crying.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last game as a football player. Given his previous declarations, the guy wants to become a coach, and he's Berlusconi's first choice for Milan's bench next season. The guy has about 6-7 months to get the coach's license and prepare.

[Jack Sparrow]

He needs to work with the youth setup. But then there is Pippo already. Can two tigers live on the same mountain?

If we move Zee directly to head coach, what message does it send to Pippo?

The 'right thing' to do would be to promote Pippo to head coach and Zee into Pippo's place. Screw what Brocchi thinks. But then where is the future for Zee. He won't accept anything less than head coach position.

[X-Offender]

He needs to work with the youth setup. But then there is Pippo already. Can two tigers live on the same mountain?

If we move Zee directly to head coach, what message does it send to Pippo?

The 'right thing' to do would be to promote Pippo to head coach and Zee into Pippo's place. Screw what Brocchi thinks. But then where is the future for Zee. He won't accept anything less than head coach position.

It's not said that Pippo has to coach the senior team at all cost. After he gets the necessary experience, he can go coach somewhere else. That said, he's my first choice rather than Seedorf.