[acid911]

He did because he had to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I mean, if a club brings in a multi-million youngsters like Shaarawy, the coach has no choice but to play. De Sciglio I give to him, Allegri really did settle him up for the job. But then again, playing someone is one thing, instilling confidence and bring the best in a youngster is another.

And that was what I was getting it. This is a young Milan, a radically different one from past seasons, after all.

[milanbuf88]

He did because he had to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I mean, if a club brings in a multi-million youngsters like Shaarawy, the coach has no choice but to play. De Sciglio I give to him, Allegri really did settle him up for the job. But then again, playing someone is one thing, instilling confidence and bring the best in a youngster is another.

And that was what I was getting it. This is a young Milan, a radically different one from past seasons, after all.

I don't buy that. He could easily play Robinho instead. If your theory on money talking was correct wouldn't Robinho start every game? We payed a ton for him and he's one of our highest earners. Again, El Shaarawy has stated multiple times that Allegri has been instrumental by having confidence in him. Do you really think Allegri hasn't been getting the best out of him? Before the year any one of us would be ecstatic with El Shaarawy scoring 15 over an entire year. I don't like this tendency to blame Allegri for everything that goes wrong and say that anything that goes well happens in spite of him. You can't have it both ways.

This post has been edited by milanbuf88: Jan 30 2013, 02:12 AM

[kurtsimonw]

I've got bored of arguing that sort of stuff, peoples minds are made up before something has even happened it seems.

[Bluesummers]

Reading inter forums for laughs and came across something.

it is a good move for milan, let me give them the credit for having a stable locker room, remember they dealt with ibra, cassano, robinho and boateng which all know for their temper, this move is scary to be honest. we all made fun of them when the season kicked off, look at us now they are just behind by 3 points, having collected the most points in the last 10 league games, only barca are ahead of them in the 5 top leagues. about us it is just miserable i honestly strama would turn things around but we only play good when we are playing big teams which is not good even if your objectives are just to qualify for UCL. i dont think paulinho will solve all our problem, he is a good b2b with scoring abilities, i think we dont have a proper plan, i hail the stadium issue but its not gonna be ready until 2018. until then what do we do? stay like this? this is a total heart break time for us fans.

juventus already have a plan, signing dozens of talented youngsters and also looking for llorente/jovetic in the summer. they have money and they got the will to spend.
roma are going to be a hell of a team having almost the best breed of youngsters and its only the 2nd year of the project
fiorentina too, they have a very good young squad and they are not stopping they are investing heavily.
napoli are going to sell cavani in the summer and buy like 5 good players with his price which will add alot of needed quality to the squad, i dont really get it how can napoli offer 30 millions for elsharawy.

and now our eternal rivals milan, their plans are coming together, they took saponara and the kid from brescia who is gonna be real big hit and they are monitoring several kids from holland and now they are after poli in winter and there are talks that they will get obiang for pazzini plus cash in summer. they reduced their wage bill to half this season and now they will dumb few players in summer like robinho and mexes in summer as well, they have alot of bargain chips which is essential if you wanna play local players and pay less money.

what do we have for god sake?? we were celebrating like crazy because we got cassano . ok let us look at cassano. a 30 years unmotivated player who is always over weight and always not fit. is he really gonna serve us more than a couple of years ?
i dont think so. we just lost sneijder and coutinho and we are all praying that we get paulinho who is a very good player but really he is another box2box, we have alot of doubles in our squad and strama is totally losing it most of the time.

It's not all gloom and doom guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Bluesummers]

So Juve really tried to sign him. They called raiola and asked but balo said he will only move to Milan or stay at city. No other options. Forza balo.

Welcome to the Mohawk era everyone or African era

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jan 30 2013, 09:06 AM

[han2503]

Niang is 18. Lets calm the clumsy talk down, the kid is doing fantastic all things considered.

El Shaarawy is having a breakout season on the left side so I'm a little unsure about your point on that one.

Balotelli will be the main striker in a team that will depend on him....just like in the Euros. So yes, he should play in the middle. Pazzo, Binho, Bojan on the bench.

Shoot....why not play Robinho on the right? We should just sell that guy honestly.

You can easily tell when a player has IT. That little something that sets him apart from the rest, even when he's still 18. Pato for example had it in abbundance. Niang is mostly a huff and puff player which is why Allegri likes him. But Bojan would be a MUCH better fit on the wing, at least he can actually dribble the ball and make good passing moves to create space. niang is a pure CF, all he does on that wing is run straight and smash the same type of cross over and over.

SES would have scored even more goals had he been played as part of a 2 man attacking like, simply because he's not a winger, and playing him out wide limits him a lot because he cannot do the things required from someone playing out wide, sure he's quick, but what's the use of that when he can't get past even the first marker?

Oh so ou're proposing to keep Niang on that right wing??? How does that even make any sense to you, I really don't understand how you could be ok with that. Niang should be a substitute for Pazzini, but now with Balo in the picture neither he, nor Pazzini should be on the pitch. And if we really are to keep playing with 3 upfront, then you simply have to play at least a player who is adapt at playing on the wing, Bojan or Robinho being the only options. As for your last question, I'd personally prefer Bojan as Robinho has simply slumped to new lows, we need to get rid of him ASAP. His mind is no longer in Milan, it's already in Brazil

Nope, El Shaarawy is being wasted on the left. Anyone can see that he's not a winger. His dribbling is clumsy and he doesn't have that fluidity and propensity that a winger does. His finishing, however, is excellent. That combined with his pace makes him a very deadly striker. Same argument, more or less, for Niang.

This!

Same argument was more or less of Pato. When he played, that is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) But an awful lot of people (fans and media) were cool with the idea. Even Huntelaar was played at the wings, oh my!

Pato was super fast and a really great dribbler before the fitness guys started messing about with his build and started to bulk him up. Then came the plague of injuries.

But Pato could play on the wing back then with relative ease. The Huntelaar thing was JUST as appaling as the Niang/Prince thing with Allegri

Well, that's simply up to Allegri's and Leonardo's amateurism. Every coach has his bugs, Ancelotti tried playing Ambrosini as a CB and a CF, but he realized it didn't work and gave up.

How Leonardo wasted Huntelaar at the wing was just painful to watch. Same goes with Allegri...it has to do with his vision of working/defending attackers who literary present "DM-wingers" in our system and their basic task is to work hard, recuperate as many balls as possible.

Agreed

I don't buy that. He could easily play Robinho instead. If your theory on money talking was correct wouldn't Robinho start every game? We payed a ton for him and he's one of our highest earners. Again, El Shaarawy has stated multiple times that Allegri has been instrumental by having confidence in him. Do you really think Allegri hasn't been getting the best out of him? Before the year any one of us would be ecstatic with El Shaarawy scoring 15 over an entire year. I don't like this tendency to blame Allegri for everything that goes wrong and say that anything that goes well happens in spite of him. You can't have it both ways.

Oh come on!!!

Giving someone credit when he had no choice in the matter just does not hold any weight

Do you think that if Ibra stayed we'd even be talking about SES? Was he encouraged to play last season when our forward line had more experianced and better players? It's ridiculous to assume that Allegri is playing these players you mentioned for any other reason then being desperate.

Robinho first got injured for a while, then came back and now he's barely a player anymore. and by the time Robinho recovered from that first injury SES had already cemented his place by his own merit, Allegri couldn't have benched him even if he wanted to.

[acid911]

Oh come on!!!

Giving someone credit when he had no choice in the matter just does not hold any weight

Do you think that if Ibra stayed we'd even be talking about SES? Was he encouraged to play last season when our forward line had more experianced and better players? It's ridiculous to assume that Allegri is playing these players you mentioned for any other reason then being desperate.

Robinho first got injured for a while, then came back and now he's barely a player anymore. and by the time Robinho recovered from that first injury SES had already cemented his place by his own merit, Allegri couldn't have benched him even if he wanted to.

Thank you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I was feeling lazy and thought I'd reply later, but you saved me the typing. I am eternally grateful, I really am. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But jokes aside, Allegri is one of the luckiest coaches around, the way he got a team of Ibra and Silva. All he had to do was show up and win the league. Last season's loss still stings bad, though.

But at the end of the day, he has good points and bad, all coaches do. But Allegri for my money is just an average coach. Not a Messiah, not quite a villain, either. Average at coaching, worse at reacting, and downright idiotic man manager. Still, we could do worse. If he goes at the end of the season, I won't shed a tear.

If he stays, it will not be the end of the world by any stretch of the imagination. Only a taste of his own medicine.

[Fillipo Simone]

I don't understand how you could possibly say that Allegri isn't good with young players. El Shaarawy, De Sciglio, and Niang have had excellent or good seasons so far and El Shaarawy has mentioned multiple times that Allegri has been a positive influence. I know Allegri is a figure that people love to hate but the evidence simply doesn't justify it.

Niang has a excellent or good season? He's played what, 4-5 matches so far? Scored one Coppa goal and made one assist? Hardly enough for me to call it good. De Sciglio is a walking oscillation. And what, 3 players present the final evidence?

Why would Allegri field Robinho? Robinho is utterly useless and incapable of playing even "good". You guys tend to label coaches like they are "youth-friendly" or "youth-unfriendly", but most of the coaches I know look for players and don't mind their age: if a player is playing good and does the work you want him to do, he'll be played again, no matter if he is 18 or 88.

[kurtsimonw]

But jokes aside, Allegri is one of the luckiest coaches around

Yeah, must be great having no say in your best 2 players being sold and others leaving without even having them properly replaced. If we're going by "best team should win" then Inter would've won it 10/11 and Juve 11/12. Didn't happen though.

[han2503]

Yeah, must be great having no say in your best 2 players being sold and others leaving without even having them properly replaced. If we're going by "best team should win" then Inter would've won it 10/11 and Juve 11/12. Didn't happen though.

You underrating this team constantly to make Allegri look good is too funny at times. The Scudetto last season was ours to lose as we were the best squad in the league, ahead of Juve (even though you like to say that that is not the case)

As for having no say. No coach in Serie A ever has a say when it's time to make purchases and the specific players. All the coaches do is point out to the management what players they wish to have included in their squad and the big wigs decide the rest

[kurtsimonw]

You underrating this team constantly to make Allegri look good is too funny at times. The Scudetto last season was ours to lose as we were the best squad in the league, ahead of Juve (even though you like to say that that is not the case)

As for having no say. No coach in Serie A ever has a say when it's time to make purchases and the specific players. All the coaches do is point out to the management what players they wish to have included in their squad and the big wigs decide the rest

Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.

[X-Offender]

The Brazilian mercato window doesn't close until March, so there's the possibility that Robinho might be sold until then.

[kurtsimonw]

Good news.

[Danny]

Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.

We threw it away Kurt, haven't you heard? Juve didn't win it!

One flaw of some folk on this forum is whoever wins the league, in all the seasons I've been on here, is immediately discredited for the rest being rubbish.

I wouldn't be overly bothered by this but it included us!

End of the day whoever wins the league deserved it.

[han2503]

Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.

Are you serious about them having the best overall squad??? How can you really believe this?! Juve had a good first 11 of players, their attacking line being particularly average. Their strength was in their collective fighting spirit, not in their personnel.

So you think a first 11 of Buffon, Bonucci, Barzagli, Chiellini, Lichtsteiner, De Ceglie, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Vucinic, Matri

is better than a first 11 of Abbiati, Abate, Nesta, Thiago, Antonini, VB, Nocerino, Seedorf, Prince, Ibra, Robinho

???

Add to that we had more quality to pick from on the bench then Juve did. The only clear advantage they had was in the goalkeeper area and a slight one in midfield as their trio is more dynamic. But how can you say that Conte had a better overall squad to pick from? That's just pure underrating of our squad to make Allegri look good. When half our squad was out injured Allegri was still able to field a strong side on most occasions, that's how strong our squad was last season

And your stats in relation to which squad is the best makes no sense. Juve have a much better overall squad this season and an even more improved first 11 aside from the striker problem, and they've lost games. Their sheer dogged determination is what took them to that Scudetto, not a superior squad to what Allegri had at his disposal.

Also, let's not even get into the Inter debate. Mourinho left a squad who lost all their fight after that treble win. An older squad, with zero motivation playing for a coach that they did not want.

Just the fact that he had a one man winning machine in Ibra is enough to settle the debate