[KillerMax]

First of all, great post Blue! From what I know, you are a young member of this forum just like most of us. It seems to me that there maybe two or three older members of this board that disagree with some of the more radical ideas we present here. I believe both parties have positive points to make regarding the situation. It is important to have respect for the past generations and build on their achievements but it is also essential to learn from the new generation. They've had a kick-*** vantage point regarding most if these issues through-out the years and they are natural problem solvers. Barcelona became an absolute powerhouse in the modern World football by taking this initiative. The truth is that Milan didn't. We didn't need to exactly copy Barcelona's steps, but we could have carved our own way into this new era. I can certainly understand why the fans are angry with the management. Because bad decisions have been made that has affected every single one of us. Whether it's emotionally or financially. The situation with Maldini and Leonardo wasn't handled professionally. In Maldini we have the one absolute icon of the team in the Berlusconi era and at the end it is thrown away for petty reasons. In Leonardo we had one of the brightest and most influential directors in any football club but the management let him leave his post, take an unmeasured risk to let him become our footballing coach in the hopes of a miracle and when it didn't work, we let him leave our institution altogether. It is also very apparent that bar some cosmetic gestures, Berlusconi is nowhere near as interested in the functions of AC Milan as he once was (A time when a lot of good decisions were also being made regarding the club's affairs, coincidence?).

I'm sure deep down, most Milan fans are grateful to Belrusconi and co. for years of glory. But all we ask for now is transparency and some prudence on the management's behalf regarding their immediate and future plans. By the way which has nothing to do with Galliani's unconventional methods in the transfer market. I'm talking about a mission statement which is all but necessary at this point. No one appreciates being lied to and we all have been lied to all too much in the recent past by this management.

[acid911]

Gee, what is this, Great Post Day™? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Another gem of a post, Max. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) Totally agreed. And special props for mentioning Maldini and Leonardo, a topic which most don't. What now, we call Ancelotti public enemy number 1 too for the way he snatched two of our best players?

[drucurl]

You just don't get it do you.


Let me give you a more clear picture of what i'm talking about.

Football is not a business where you can make a profit in. It doesn't matter at what level you operate at. I've worked at clubs where i've had 2k budgets, 10k budgets and even 50k budgets. You know what the common theme among them all is? The club has always taken a loss. Even in the most prudent circumstance where you cross every T and dot ever I (which is almost impossible as sh!t always happens), and make a profit, that profit will be used as an investment towards the club or paying back a small portion of shareholder's investments.

You never get back the money you put in, ever.




So lets ask the fundamental question. Why do people buy clubs? Why would Berlusconi, Agnelli, Morratti, Sheik mansour, abramovich etc... buy football clubs?


I'll tell you, it has nothing to do with money. Controlling a football club is essentially the same thing as controlling a group of people. You can impact people through sports far faster than you can impact them through politics. Berlusconi's a good example of this.

How many times through his years in polotics has he improved poll numbers through Milan alone? Its far more effective then Silvio going to a childrens hospital or bake sale.


Control. Thats why they do it. So don't give me that Silvio bought milan and funded it for all these years because he loves the club and its a part of him and all that bullsh*t. For him its always been a useful toy. A toy that would get him what he wants. Sure it has costed him over the years but it has benefited him greatly as well. 3 times in office and now hes making a 4th run.


If anyone loves the club its Galliani and thats why we are in this mess is because he loves the club and all the players.

When you start making business decisions from emotion and feelings instead of logic and experience, you begin to take losses, your business begins to decline. You learn that in business 101.


So lets look at Galliani's management skills in the last couple years.


Our squad in 05 was stronger or weaker than in 11? I would say it was alot stronger.


What should the average squad size be for a club? 25-26 at the most and the last couple spots should be filled with youth players. What has our average squad size been? 30 players +.


We can't afford a squad of champions? You consider gattuso, seedorf, inzaghi and co. champions? Especially gattuso at 4m euros. He didn't even f*ckin play.



We can afford a squad of champions if we don't waste money on washed up players. Ibra earns 9m a season. If we had sold flamini and Gattuso that would have paid for him. Silva earns 6m a year. If we had sold bonera and zambrotta that would have paid for him.




Its all in how you manage your business. You can run it like a f*ckin clown which galliani has done in the last 5 years or you can run it like a proper business like Bayern and others have.

Best. Post. Evarrrrr

[vnata001]

respect, blue. great post!

edit: oh god i just saw my signature for the first time in a long time, and it made me instantly depressed.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Jul 17 2012, 04:02 AM

[Bluesummers]

News:

-Galliani has rejected an official bid of 8m + Rafael for Robinho.


-Arsenal are looking to swap RVP and Dzeko


-The big clubs in England are after ganso. We have pulled out.





cds/mn/sky

[Rossoneri7]

Its all in how you manage your business. You can run it like a f*ckin clown which galliani has done in the last 5 years or you can run it like a proper business like Bayern and others have.

You just missed the point:
1- Top clubs in Europe have two/three times our Revenue income.
2- We cant afford what Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, United can afford. Because of point 1. We couldn't afford to replace Gattuso, Seedorf, Nesta etc ... The notable reinforcements came in the form of Silva and Ibra at what price? We just cant afford it all like the rest of Europe's elite.
3- We are cutting our wage bill to be FFP compliant. You have to understand this part - I strongly recommend that you use the internet to help you better understand what it means to be FFP compliant.

On hindsight, you can criticize freely. I'm not bothered anymore tbh, simply because the club has changed direction a while ago.

[d'Arc.LP]

Blue I have no doubts in your credebility, but you post the link of Gattusos' statement that Allegri didn't want him to stay in Milan ? I told a friend that is in love with him and refuses to believe me.

[Bluesummers]

You just missed the point:
1- Top clubs in Europe have two/three times our Revenue income.
2- We cant afford what Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, United can afford. Because of point 1. We couldn't afford to replace Gattuso, Seedorf, Nesta etc ... The notable reinforcements came in the form of Silva and Ibra at what price? We just cant afford it all like the rest of Europe's elite.
3- We are cutting our wage bill to be FFP compliant. You have to understand this part - I strongly recommend that you use the internet to help you better understand what it means to be FFP compliant.

On hindsight, you can criticize freely. I'm not bothered anymore tbh, simply because the club has changed direction a while ago.

Theres just no point talking to you man. Its like your dillusional.

1) 2 or 3x our revenue? These are the numbers man.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Downlo...87_DOWNLOAD.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_l..._football_clubs



2) We couldn't afford to replace them? you mean to say we didn't want to replace them. We could have easily sold gattuso when offers from russia came in. Again I don't know where your getting this idea that were broke a$$ and can't afford sh!t. Tottenham spend more than us ffs.


3) FFP compliant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Like I said earlier, when barca and madrid start putting stars up for sales to clear their massive debt thats crippling spain, i'll begin to worry.


I'm tired of this arguement too. Go live in your past glories and fond memories of berlusconi and galliani. For me there is none.


Any fond memory i've had has been transfer listed and sold.












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[Bluesummers]

Blue I have no doubts in your credebility, but you post the link of Gattusos' statement that Allegri didn't want him to stay in Milan ? I told a friend that is in love with him and refuses to believe me.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=85886

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This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jul 17 2012, 07:38 AM

[Rossoneri7]

Theres just no point talking to you man. Its like your dillusional.

1) 2 or 3x our revenue? These are the numbers man.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Downlo...87_DOWNLOAD.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_l..._football_clubs



2) We couldn't afford to replace them? you mean to say we didn't want to replace them. We could have easily sold gattuso when offers from russia came in. Again I don't know where your getting this idea that were broke a$$ and can't afford sh!t. Tottenham spend more than us ffs.


3) FFP compliant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Like I said earlier, when barca and madrid start putting stars up for sales to clear their massive debt thats crippling spain, i'll begin to worry.


I'm tired of this arguement too. Go live in your past glories and fond memories of berlusconi and galliani. For me there is none.


Any fond memory i've had has been transfer listed and sold.












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Ok (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[d'Arc.LP]

Galliani: "I've been offered at least 15 defenders".

[Bluesummers]

News:

After declining Fenerbache, Porto's Rolando has said the following:

-Rolando: 'I want to join Milan! I won't accept any other destination' Milan have offered 10m, but Porto want 15m"



cds

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jul 17 2012, 07:42 AM

[Bluesummers]

Serie A, all official Transfers.

ATALANTA (Appendix Colantuono)
Arrivals: Brivio (d, Lecce), Matheu (d, Independiente) Departures : Cristiano Doni (a, end of contract), Ferri (d, end of contract), Polito (p, end of contract), Mutarelli ( c, end of contract), Banner (d, end of loan Lazio), Bright (c, end of loan Rome), Surrey (c, Verona).

BOLOGNA (Appendix Pioli)
Arrivals : Riverola (c, Barcelona), Pasquato (a, Udinese), Curci (p, Rome), Roger de Carvalho (d, Genoa).
Departures : Belfodil (at Lyon), Rays (d, Monaco), Paonessa (c, Parma), Di Vaio (a, Montreal Impact), Loria (d, end of contract), Vitale (d, end of loan Naples), Gillet (p, Turin), Crespo (c, Verona)

CAGLIARI (Appendix Ficcadenti)
Arrivals : Rossettini (d, Siena), Sau (a, Juve Stabia), Avelar (d, Karpaty Lviv).
Departures : Canines (d, Genoa), Giorico (c, Lumezzane)

CATANIA (Appendix Maran)
Arrivals : Salifu (c, Fiorentina), Antenucci (in Turin), Morimoto (a, Novara), Doukara (to, Vibo Valentia), Frison (p, Vicenza), Crescenzi (d, Bari), Antei (d, Grosseto)
Departures : Kosicky (P, Novara), Motta (d, Juventus end of the loan), Suazo (a, free), Campagnaro (p, free), Maxi Lopez (a, Sampdoria)

CHIEVO (Appendix Di Carlo)
Arrivals : Iunco (a, Spice), Papp (d, Vaslui), Farkas (d, Vaslui), Guana (c, Cesena), Cofie (c, Genoa), Di Michele (a, free)
Departures : Hanine (c, Ascoli), Acerbi (d, Genoa), Iori (c, Cesena), Uribe (a, Nacional), Mandelli (d, free), Bradley (c, Rome), Granoche (a, Padua) , Farias (a, Padova).

FIORENTINA (Appendix Montella)
Arrivals : Hegazy (d, Ismaily), El Hamdaoui (a, Ajax), Roncaglia (d, Boca Juniors), Della Rocca (c, Palermo), Lupatelli (p, free)
Departures : Montolivo (c, Milan), Natali (d, end of contract), Kroldrup (d, end of contract), Marchionni (c, end of contract), Salifu (c, Catania), Amauri (a, Parma), Seculin (p , Juve Stabia), Agyei (c, Juve Stabia), Babacar (at Padua), Kharja (c, termination), Gamberini (d, Naples), Behrami (c, Naples), De Silvestri (d, Sampdoria).

GENOA (Appendix De Canio)
Arrivals : Property (a, Pescara), Merkel (c, Milan), Von Bergen (d, Cesena), Lazarevic (at Padua), Tozser (c, Genk), Polo (at University), Acerbi (d, Chievo ), Canines (d, Cagliari), Anselm (c, Palmeiras), M. Martinez (d, Racing)
Departures : Acerbi (d, Milan), Caracciolo (a, Brescia), Constant (c, Milan), Palacio (to Inter), Sculli (a, end of the loan Lazio), Belluschi (c, end of loan Porto), Eduardo ( p, Istanbul BB), Veloso (c, Dynamo Kiev), Cofie (c, Chievo), Roger de Carvalho (d, Bologna).

INTER (Appendix Stramaccioni)
Arrivals : Palacio (with Inter), Bardi (p, Livorno), Jonathan (d, Parma), Coutinho (a, Espanyol), Handanovic (p, Udinese), Silvestre (d, Palermo).
Departures : Zarate (a, Lazio), Palombo (c, Sampdoria), Cordoba (d, end of contract), Orlandoni (p, end of contract), Lucio (d, Juventus), Forlan (at termination), Pharaohs (d, Udinese), Alborno (d, Novara), Bardi (P, Novara)

JUVENTUS (Appendix Count)
Arrivals : Giovinco (a, Parma), Asamoah (c, Udinese), Isla (c, Udinese), Loyal (p, Brescia), Lucio (d, Inter), Pogba (c, Manchester United), Boakye (a, Sassuolo ).
Departures : Manninger (p, end of contract), Del Piero (a, end of contract), Grosso (d, end of contract), Borriello (a, Rome end of the loan), Pasquato (c, Udinese), Elijah (c, Werder Bremen) , Chibsah (c, Parma).

LAZIO (Appendix Petkovic)
Arrivals : Zarate (to Inter), Ederson (a, Lyon).
Departures : Del Nero (a, end of contract), Makinwa (a, end of contract).

MILAN (Appendix Allegri)
Arrivals : Montolivo (c, Fiorentina), Traoré (c, Nancy), Acerbi (d, Genoa), Didac Vilà (d, Espanyol), Taiwo (d, QPR), Gabriel (p, Cruzeiro), Constant (c, Genoa ).
Departures : Gattuso (c, Sion), Van Bommel (c, PSV Eindhoven), Nesta (d, Montreal Impact), Inzaghi (a, end of contract), Rome, (p, end of contract) Zambrotta (d, end of contract) , Seedorf (c, Botafogo), Maxi Lopez (a, end of loan Catania), Adiyiah (a, Arsenal Kiev), Com (a, Reggina), Zigoni (a, Pro Vercelli), Ricardo Ferreira (d, Empoli), Thiago Silva (d, Paris Saint Germain)

NAPLES (Appendix Mazzarri)
Arrivals : Illustrious (a, Pescara), barytes (c, Vicenza), Gamberini (d, Fiorentina), Behrami (c, Fiorentina).
Departures : Lavezzi (a, PSG), Grava (d, end of contract), Santana (c, Turin), Fideleff (d, Parma)

PALERMO (Appendix Sannino)
Arrivals : Viola (a, Reggina), Brienza (a, Siena), Kurtic (c, Varese), Morganella (d, Novara), Ujkani (P, Novara), Dybala (a, Instituto), Sosa (a, Cerro Largo ), Rios (c, Chivas).
Departures : Gonzalez (a, Novara), Silvestre (d, Inter), Succi (a, Cesena), Bacinovic (c, Verona), Acquah (Parma).

PARMA (Appendix Donadoni)
Arrivals : Belfodil (at Lyon), Ninis (c, Panathinaikos), Pabon (a, Nacional Medellin), Paonessa (c, Bologna), Dellafiore (d, Novara), Amauri (a, free), Brandao (d, Siena ), Parolo (c, Cesena), Fideleff (d, Naples), Acquah (Palermo)
Departures : Giovinco (a, Juventus), Danilo Pereira (c, Roda), Rispoli (d, Padua), Nwanko (c, Padua), Okaka (a, Rome end of the loan), Rocchi (at end of the loan Lazio), Valiani (c, Siena).

ROME (Appendix Zeman)
Arrivals : D'Alessandro (c, Verona), Florenzi (c, Crotone), Dodò (d, Corinthians), Stoian (a, Bari), Svedkauskas (p, Suduva), Lucca (c, Internacional), Tachtsidis (c, Verona), Bradley (c, Chievo Verona)
Departures : Drawers (d, end of contract), Cicinho (d, Sport Recife), Antunes (d, termination), Viviani (c, Padua), Gago (c, Real Madrid), Borini (to Liverpool), Curci (p , Bologna), Juan (d, termination).

SAMPDORIA (Appendix Ferrara)
Arrivals : Tissone (c, Mallorca), Corazza (Portsmouth), Maxi Lopez (a, Catania), De Silvestri (d, Fiorentina)
Departures : Foggia (c, end of loan Lazio), skin (a, end of the loan Parma), Celjak (c, Grosseto).

SIENA (Appendix Cosmi)
Arrivals : Dellafiore (Parma), Rubin (d, Turin), Valiani (c, Parma)
Departures : Rossettini (d, Cagliari), Brienza (at Palermo), Codrea (c, end of contract), Brkic (p, dyn loan Udinese), Gazzi (c, Turin).

TURIN (Appendix Ventura)
Arrivals : Ebagua (a, Catania), Gillet (p, Bologna), Samson (a, Sassuolo), Santana (c, Naples), Gazzi (c, Siena)
Departures : Antenucci (a, Catania), Ebagua (a, Varese), Rubin (d, Siena), and Pratali Gasbarroni (released).

UDINESE (Appendix Guidolin)
Arrivals : Brkic (p, Siena), Gabriel Silva (d, Novara), Willians (c, Flamengo), Allan Marques (c, Vasco da Gama), Thomas Heurtaux (d, Caen), Wojciech Pawłowski (p, Lechia) Pasquato (c, Juventus), Cuadrado (c, Lecce), Muriel (a, Lecce), Machis (a, Mineros de Guayana), Pharaohs (d, Inter), Maicosuel (c, Botafogo)
Departures : Floro Flores (a, Granada), Torje (a, Granada), Kwadwo Asamoah (c, Juventus), Isla (c, Juventus), Ferronetti (d, end of contract), Patience (c, end of loan Juventus), Pasquato (a, Bologna), Handanovic (p, Inter).

[mishie]

Not sure the fact I'm a older member automatically make me dilussional about past glories and the clubs situation now! As for new radical ideas from the younger members not sure I've seen any of them either but hey I'll bow to everybody's better judgement as you put it I'm clearly dilussional.
I could sit here and list countless great players that have left and the various reasons what we could have done to keep them but the fact exists we are just fans. Influential no..passionate yes. Blue you can say what you like about your coaching and the budgets you've had but can you realistically compare that with any top level club and the whole business operations they deal with. To know a clubs present and future you need to know there past and because maybe a couple of us older members have experienced more history perhaps makes us less radical in our thoughts as we know how the club usually progresses in situations like the present

No personal attacks are intended sorry for any offence caused

[Bluesummers]

bottom line is that you guys can accept what is going on with Milan because you've experienced the good of milan. You've experienced the high, you know what it feels like to be the best of the best. To have europe bow before you. You know what its like to have one of the best strikers, best defenders, best midfielders in history play on your team.


When I started watching milan it was the start of the decline, so yes I cannot be as optimistic as you guys. For me what is happening is a clear indication of mid table syndrome. That means the people who run the club are no longer motivated to make the club elite. Maybe you guys say its just a phase the club is going through and its going to be back to its best. For me I don't see it.

I see it as a sinking ship and if we continue to sink even more we will lose fans by the thousands, especially the young ones. As for me, even I have my limit. If milan want to be a club that fights for 13/14/15th every season, i'll move on as well as I have no ties to Milan nor am I italian. I chose to follow milan because of a few players I adored. Players who are no longer here because of the stupidity of a few people.




This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jul 17 2012, 08:32 AM