[Bluesummers]

News:


-Manchester City have accepted our offer for Dzeko.

It is 20 million paid over 2 years.

No news on tevez yet or maybe we've decided to go with Dzeko instead.




-Rafael (santos goalkeeper 21 yrs) agent has landed in Milan to discuss terms with Galliani. We have proposed a swap of Robinho for Rafael and Santos have accepted.

Rafael has his euro pass.



-Mino Raiola and Leonardo have started their meeting. We should know in an hour or two what will happen.

Ibra wants 12m euros a year +3m in bonuses while PSG wants to only give him 9m.







cds/sky/mn

[Jack Sparrow]

A GOALKEEPER???!!! ANOTHER ONE???!! I don't believe it.

We are collecting goalkeepers.

[Zed.D]

I see the situation in a different way, it is for the future of Milan. We like to think of the short-run, while these guys have been at it for so long, they have seen all the highs and lows, they have the benefit of the doubt in my books. Not cause they cant do no wrong, but because they have more experience than any of us

On March 4th 2008, Berlusconi declared that he wanted Milan to be operated just like Arsenal. The only top-flight club that has a healthy financial situation. This 'Arsenal' model is the target B&G (in addition to Milan board members), and the strategy to achieve that is to rebuilding Milan to be more efficient.

Zlatan and Silva were offered higher salaries by PSG than what they currently earn, hence why is it B&G's fault? If anything, they made the most out of it – 65MM is not a joke, especially in our clubs situation.

We cant make sense of it all till Aug 31 … Moreover, we cant afford what Silva and Zlatan are worth post the offer (had we refused the offer, we'd have to increase their wages to the new threshold).

A sound judgment for the long-term, for the future of this club to start off under the FFP and start earning a profit. Which inevitably would make Milan one of the first clubs to achieve such a feat. Zlatan will be 31 and Silva 29, in the coming season. We have lost more influential players in Maldini, Shevchenko, Kaka, in recent years and we were still regarded as a top club, not a joke.

Merda sold Etoo to Russia, for astronomical economic situations. Ronaldo left United for Madrid. The problem here is not the club, it is the significant offer that changes everything.


Thats the most rational comment I read since the developments started of a 65MM deal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Silva will be 29 in September 2013, that's not this coming season. and what's your point anyway? he's a defender, he could at least play until 34 at the highest level. that's at least 6 more seasons. you just can't justify his sale like that, that's he's old and we're building for the future.

(had we refused the offer, we'd have to increase their wages to the new threshold)

Didn't we improve his contract just after the first time we refused to sell him?!

-Rafael (santos goalkeeper 21 yrs) agent has landed in Milan to discuss terms with Galliani. We have proposed a swap of Robinho for Rafael and Santos have accepted.

Rafael has his euro pass.

What about Gabriel? LOL

I won't complain though, I haven't seen Gabriel but Rafael was great in Bazil's recent games and I was wondering why we didn't sign him.

[Bluesummers]

maybe amelia or abbiati is headed for the door? Imagine we sign julio too lololol and sell both.

Traded 3 italian keepers for 3 brazillians lmfao

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jul 13 2012, 11:43 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

Hmm. Ok. I would understand Amelia leaving. He'll hardly play. But Abbiati is probably the only senator along with Ambrosini left in the dressing room.

[Bluesummers]

Update:


Borini is close to joining liverpool, which has led roma to bid for Destro. They are close to signing him.



If the deal for Dzeko or Tevez breaks; we'll go after Matri. 10m euros reported price.





gds

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jul 13 2012, 11:50 AM

[Zed.D]

On March 4th 2008, Berlusconi declared that he wanted Milan to be operated just like Arsenal.

How can Milan be operated just like Arsenal in a completely different league with different rules, and minus an Emiates? should we take everything he says for granted?

Maybe he meant just like Arsenal in the sense that we'll remain trophy-less for n seasons.

[milanbuf88]

Update:


Borini is close to joining liverpool, which has led roma to bid for Destro. They are close to signing him.



If the deal for Dzeko or Tevez breaks; we'll go after Matri. 10m euros reported price.





gds

If we lose Ibra and get Matri I'll be pissed. The guy has Robinho like finishing skills at times.

[Jack Bauer]

If anything, they made the most out of it – 65MM is not a joke, especially in our clubs situation.

When Pastori was sold to the same PSG for 40 mil a year ago, when Modric is sold for 44 mil, when Silva alone was worth around 45 mil to PSG just a month ago - then yes, 65 mil is a joke for both Ibra and Silva. Galliani is Leonardo's b!tch in this deal.

[Jack Bauer]

If we lose Ibra and get Matri I'll be pissed. The guy has Robinho like finishing skills at times.

If we lose our masseur for Matri I'll be pissed. Don't wanna see that reject anywhere near Milan.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Jul 13 2012, 12:03 PM

[Bluesummers]

news:


-Tevez has declined Milan. Mancini called him up and asked him if he was interested and the striker said he isn't interested in Milan.


-Mesbah has declined the offer to go to Torino. He either wants to stay or more money.





sky/tmw/mn

[han2503]

I see the situation in a different way, it is for the future of Milan. We like to think of the short-run, while these guys have been at it for so long, they have seen all the highs and lows, they have the benefit of the doubt in my books. Not cause they cant do no wrong, but because they have more experience than any of us

On March 4th 2008, Berlusconi declared that he wanted Milan to be operated just like Arsenal. The only top-flight club that has a healthy financial situation. This ‘Arsenal’ model is the target B&G (in addition to Milan board members), and the strategy to achieve that is to rebuilding Milan to be more efficient.

Zlatan and Silva were offered higher salaries by PSG than what they currently earn, hence why is it B&G’s fault? If anything, they made the most out of it – 65MM is not a joke, especially in our clubs situation.

We cant make sense of it all till Aug 31 … Moreover, we cant afford what Silva and Zlatan are worth post the offer (had we refused the offer, we’d have to increase their wages to the new threshold).

A sound judgment for the long-term, for the future of this club to start off under the FFP and start earning a profit. Which inevitably would make Milan one of the first clubs to achieve such a feat. Zlatan will be 31 and Silva 29, in the coming season. We have lost more influential players in Maldini, Shevchenko, Kaka, in recent years and we were still regarded as a top club, not a joke.

Merda sold Etoo to Russia, for astronomical economic situations. Ronaldo left United for Madrid. The problem here is not the club, it is the significant offer that changes everything.

I see this as you trying to justify things with very weak arguments.

The Arsenal model? What model is that exactly? The art of not winning?

If Silva is worth nearly 50m on his own, then how could a sane person accept 65m for both him and Ibra for a minimal increase of 15m to the deal? I thought Galliani was a shrewed market operator and all that other BS but he would clearly be taken for a ride if this goes through

If we wanted to make a long term plan, then Silva would be the last player sold, not the first one wh@red out at the first decent offer. I would understand selling Ibra (to an extent) but not this stupidity

Exactly. and for once, I'm OK with Ibra being his egomaniac self, if it means we'll get to keep Silva.

I mean we should know better after the what happened the last time with Silva-PSG.

Agreed

@ the rumours coming out, I think it's all just ridiculous and plain old silly at this point. I don't think any of the press knows WTF is going on right now

[albanche]

I would prefer Dede. He's rated higher than Silva was when we brought him in. The others are just cheap stop-gaps.

And call me a 'company-man' but at the moment I'm in agreement with the Curva Sud's views.

Totally

[Jack Sparrow]

How can Milan be operated just like Arsenal in a completely different league with different rules, and minus an Emiates? should we take everything he says for granted?

Maybe he meant just like Arsenal in the sense that we'll remain trophy-less for n seasons.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) What's the difference between last year's bestselling book and Arsenal? The book had a title! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Secondly, Arsenal's cheapness is what allowed them to build the Emirates in the first place. Banks don't give loans to an organization that is losing 100 million a year. Their financial model and operating style were in place way before the Emirates was built.

I see this as you trying to justify things with very weak arguments.

The Arsenal model? What model is that exactly? The art of not winning?

If Silva is worth nearly 50m on his own, then how could a sane person accept 65m for both him and Ibra for a minimal increase of 15m to the deal? I thought Galliani was a shrewed market operator and all that other BS but he would clearly be taken for a ride if this goes through

If we wanted to make a long term plan, then Silva would be the last player sold, not the first one wh@red out at the first decent offer. I would understand selling Ibra (to an extent) but not this stupidity


Agreed

@ the rumours coming out, I think it's all just ridiculous and plain old silly at this point. I don't think any of the press knows WTF is going on right now

The Arsenal financial model, I imagine.


The same reason, Inter got 46 million + Eto'o for Ibrahimovic. Terminating contracts automatically cut the value of a player. Next, the focus of selling Ibra is not to get money for the transfer, but to take 24 million out of the wages every year.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The Curva Sud once again demonstrate what a bunch of clueless fools they are. they actually think Galliani "discovered" Silva from "nowhere" where in fact he was rated as Brazilian league's best defender.

And anyone who thinks Dede will aribve and become the next Silva should think again. Dede will neither have 6 months to train with the team and get to know everyone in a calm surrounding nor will he have Nesta beside him to cover his mistakes, give him confidence and help him become a better defender. what happened with Silva was a unique situation and won't happen again anytime soon, IMO.

Too much is made of those 6 months. All it means is that perhaps the new CB will not make an immediate impact. He will take time to pick up Italian, get used to his team mates etc. And besides if he comes early enough in the transfer season, there is enough time to train with the team.

The Nesta situation is a huge handicap, I give you that. I trust Mexes as far as I can throw him. But I doubt Nesta alone made Silva so good. Besides we have coaches.

So the question is very simple... 170 million and in return we get a CB who is about 30% less efficient (but can improve), and a possible hole in the front line to be filled in by a different type of player (though we've all agreed that Ibra is replaceable). But we can plug in holes elsewhere. In mid-field at fullback, all of which would certainly outweigh the loss of strength in the CB line.

The trouble is in the leadership of the dressing room. Something everyone is overlooking. Ibra and Silva both leaving leave huge holes, and might even bring the ugly sides of Cassano and Boateng out. And Max is in no way gonna handle that sort of sh!t going down.

Ambro won't be enough.

But one point is certain: This has been the biggest crossroads Milan have faced ever since Berlusconi took over.

[Rossoneri7]

Silva will be 29 in September 2013, that's not this coming season. and what's your point anyway? he's a defender, he could at least play until 34 at the highest level. that's at least 6 more seasons. you just can't justify his sale like that, that's he's old and we're building for the future.


Didn't we improve his contract just after the first time we refused to sell him?!

29/28 same thing, he will last 5 years at best with us. His value wont be that high in two years time. That was the point I was making.

The future is built on the 65MM, by future I mean the new Milan under FFP.

How can Milan be operated just like Arsenal in a completely different league with different rules, and minus an Emiates? should we take everything he says for granted?

Maybe he meant just like Arsenal in the sense that we'll remain trophy-less for n seasons.

Arsenal, as in their financial structure. To be self sufficient. You do understand we cant afford top players like Silva and Zlatan, considering the offer from PSG, don't you? Arsenal is not the most successful club in history, but it is run very efficiently.

I don't expect you to make sense of it .. Your a fan, you have sentiments. End of.

When Pastori was sold to the same PSG for 40 mil a year ago, when Modric is sold for 44 mil, when Silva alone was worth around 45 mil to PSG just a month ago - then yes, 65 mil is a joke for both Ibra and Silva. Galliani is Leonardo's b!tch in this deal.

That's not a sound assessment. You need to incorporate the increase in their wages at Milan and how it would impact our bottom line - ie our fight to generate profit and be self efficient.

I see this as you trying to justify things with very weak arguments.

The Arsenal model? What model is that exactly? The art of not winning?

If Silva is worth nearly 50m on his own, then how could a sane person accept 65m for both him and Ibra for a minimal increase of 15m to the deal? I thought Galliani was a shrewed market operator and all that other BS but he would clearly be taken for a ride if this goes through

If we wanted to make a long term plan, then Silva would be the last player sold, not the first one wh@red out at the first decent offer. I would understand selling Ibra (to an extent) but not this stupidity

Galliani is a shrewd businessman, you just don't know how the accounting of it works.

Stupidity is not thinking of the potential impact in keeping Zlatan and Thiago, on the books. You can't just take the 65MM figure and say that is what Zlatan and Silva are worth. PSG will invest over 200MM for their respective contracts coupled with the transfer fee.

Again ... All you guys need to calm down. Silva and Zlatan did not make Milan history. We have gone through this before, by now, we should know what our club's situation is like. Instead of just folding our arms and sulking in the corner, just take it on the chin the fact that your club can not afford what PSG, City, Madrid, Barcelona, United, Bayern can afford.

You said it yourself about Serie A and Italy's economic situation.