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post May 14 2012, 10:24 PM
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If we had a plan than keeping on players such as Seedorf until they could barely run for 30 minutes and having to let them all go in one summer wouldn't have happened.

Planning went out the window about 5 years ago. Milan have been winging it for years now in the transfer market. We have no strategy or plan. We just bargain buy to our heart's content. That's the strategy this club has adopted. And if once in a blue moon an Ibra falls into our laps then we'll celebrate that as if we've won the CL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Keeping Seedorf implies that we do not have a plan. But rather that once again, the management are trying to run away from the reality of the situation. And no the answer is not bringing in 10 Montolivo's but getting in a top player. And keeping Seedorf would surely mean any chance of signing that top player is dead.

You can talk about money all ou want, but we won't have that money next season or the one after that. The money only comes if Silvio decides he wants to give it. It's not like keeping Seedorf on is such a cheap option. He earnth around 3m after taxes this season. How is that the economic option?
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post May 14 2012, 10:28 PM
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You're right. I wish Seedorf also goes and we end this talk, it makes me sick.
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post May 14 2012, 10:43 PM
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I believe Montolivo will be our major creative force next season. Hopefully we sign that Strootman kid as he has quite a vision, too, besides being a rock in front of the defense. But as back-up, I think Aquilani and Merkel would be quite decent. At least we wouldn't have to rely on Muntari if Montolivo gets injured.
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post May 14 2012, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2012, 09:43 PM) *
I believe Montolivo will be our major creative force next season. Hopefully we sign that Strootman kid as he has quite a vision, too, besides being a rock in front of the defense. But as back-up, I think Aquilani and Merkel would be quite decent. At least we wouldn't have to rely on Muntari if Montolivo gets injured.

My nightmare for next season is Muntari being a regular as he was since he came in. I'd rather a first 11 of Seedorfs at age 40 than that idiot starting any of our games.
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post May 14 2012, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 15 2012, 12:23 AM) *
My nightmare for next season is Muntari being a regular as he was since he came in. I'd rather a first 11 of Seedorfs at age 40 than that idiot starting any of our games.


I wouldn't even re-sign Muntari at this point, knowing that we brought in Traoré and that Flamini will stay.
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post May 15 2012, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 14 2012, 10:56 PM) *
I wouldn't even re-sign Muntari at this point, knowing that we brought in Traoré and that Flamini will stay.

But we all know it will be happening, especially considering all the players that left. Plus he's Allegri's one true love. So he'll be staying for sure
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post May 15 2012, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 15 2012, 12:24 AM) *
If we had a plan than keeping on players such as Seedorf until they could barely run for 30 minutes and having to let them all go in one summer wouldn't have happened.

Planning went out the window about 5 years ago. Milan have been winging it for years now in the transfer market. We have no strategy or plan. We just bargain buy to our heart's content. That's the strategy this club has adopted. And if once in a blue moon an Ibra falls into our laps then we'll celebrate that as if we've won the CL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Keeping Seedorf implies that we do not have a plan. But rather that once again, the management are trying to run away from the reality of the situation. And no the answer is not bringing in 10 Montolivo's but getting in a top player. And keeping Seedorf would surely mean any chance of signing that top player is dead.

You can talk about money all ou want, but we won't have that money next season or the one after that. The money only comes if Silvio decides he wants to give it. It's not like keeping Seedorf on is such a cheap option. He earnth around 3m after taxes this season. How is that the economic option?


Not taking anything away from you, but don't you find it a little over the top when you ascertain what the club's strategies are? Are you that informed? Or is it because of a certain bias?
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post May 15 2012, 01:44 PM
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Not taking anything away from you, but don't you find it a little over the top when you ascertain what the club's strategies are? Are you that informed? Or is it because of a certain bias?

Bias?

What does bias have anything to do with witnessing the same thing practically every summer?

When was the last time that our management showed any form of plan in how they dealt with transfers. We're chasing this guy one week, the other the next because he's too pricey, the week after that we go back to the original. Trying to go after strikers when other areas are far more pressing.

If we had a strategy than losing all of our senior players in one summer wouldn't have been the case.

I think it's pointless to talk about it with you since you always want to imply that whatever the management do is correct and all of our talk is just assumption. When the facts are what they are. We've been in a mess for a while now. And we had a few lucky strokes with the CL in 07 and Ibra but let's not kid ourselves. None of that came about because of some masterful strategy from our management
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post May 15 2012, 01:52 PM
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Well there is no secret that we do not have buying power. In such a situation it is easy to say, we must scout and unearth gems like we did with Kaka. But it's irrational to think we're the only clubs that do it. Do we even presume that Madrid or Barca or even Man City can't send qualified scouts to the areas we can??

Where we are strong is in bargaining and selling our playing environment. That's where the genius of our management lies. You cannot put on the table money that is not there in your bank account...what you can put on the table is the guarantee that the player will have a far better time in our team than in the 'other' team that's offering big bucks. Plus we show them the players who have made that same decision and are happy about it.

The transfer strategy cannot be blamed at the moment. Yes, we let things slide from circa 2006. But what's done is done. Now we're fixing it, and you cannot fix a negative cash flow in 3 months.
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post May 15 2012, 02:05 PM
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This. What's the point in debating our strategy when everything depends on money? A success-story in football equals money and buying power. It isn't just about Milan, it's about Inter, Lazio or any other big club with limited resources.
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No guys, what han is saying is 100% correct. We've never had a strategy or plan in signing players. We just scout the earth looking for bargains and free agents, whilst at the same time renewing the contracts of our +33 years old senators again and again in order to survive. And yes, that is due to the lack of money. We simply don't have any. Silvio only spends that certain amount to even the accounts every summer, but he barely chips in in the signing of players any longer. Whenever it's a classy name that appeals to him, like Ronaldinho or Ibrahimovic, he won't hesitate. As the for the "normal earthlings" we are so desperate for (CB, LB, DM etc.), that's Galliani's job to sniff around and see what he can get at the cheapest price. This has been our "strategy" for the last 7-8 years, and it stopped working when we lost Sheva and Kaka', and the rest of our stars grew old. So, unless Silvio opens his wallet and hands to Galliani a modest amount (30-40 million) to sign new players this summer, don't expect anything lucrative from the market. Acerbi, Traoré, Montolivo etc. are the best we can get.
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post May 15 2012, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 15 2012, 02:05 PM) *
This. What's the point in debating our strategy when everything depends on money? A success-story in football equals money and buying power. It isn't just about Milan, it's about Inter, Lazio or any other big club with limited resources.

The money was never there and will never be there. So what's the point of saying "let's keep Seedorf, the management might have a big plan for 2013"?

This is the same thing we've been saying for years now. The reality is that is Silvio does not want to put any money in than nothing will happen. So I don't get why you guys feel that it's ok to keep Seedorf and look the other way to the big issues that keeping him would bring to the team
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post May 21 2012, 08:55 AM
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Clarence Seedorf reflected on his decade at Milan, noting his teammates were like brothers and Carlo Ancelotti a great friend.

The Dutchman was one of several stars whose contract expired this summer and opted to walk away, though he has stated he’ll continue his playing career elsewhere.

“To spend 10 years at Milan really is a long experience,” Seedorf told Al Jazeera television.

“When you play for such a long time with the same teammates, a rapport builds that is beyond the professional sphere. You become almost like brothers.

“Even those who arrived later to the squad were treated that way, as we did really well to create a wonderful group.”

Ancelotti was on the Milan bench for eight years and Seedorf has no qualms about putting him above the other Coaches.

“He was a great friend and put a lot of responsibility on my shoulders in the locker room. We had a wonderful rapport and I was very sad when he left.

“President Silvio Berlusconi has remarkable charisma and he loves Milan like crazy.”


So that's the closest we've heard to it being official. He's gone too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I'm just going to wear a Galliani jersey next season! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 15 2012, 06:07 PM) *
The money was never there and will never be there. So what's the point of saying "let's keep Seedorf, the management might have a big plan for 2013"?

This is the same thing we've been saying for years now. The reality is that is Silvio does not want to put any money in than nothing will happen. So I don't get why you guys feel that it's ok to keep Seedorf and look the other way to the big issues that keeping him would bring to the team

Who says it's a big money transfer? Eriksen's contract runs out in 2014, maybe we have something with Ajax and the player which will make everyone happy. Or maybe we're planing on another free agent. I don't know.

My point is, Montolivo will be also capable to score one goal and make 6 assists in 20+ appearances. No need for Aquilani now. What we need is extra class or extra potential and quantity cannot solve this problem.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 21 2012, 10:55 AM) *
So that's the closest we've heard to it being official. He's gone too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I'm just going to wear a Galliani jersey next season! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


Makes Maldini's farewell sting even more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

A generation of Champions all gone.
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